The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Open Bolt]

I most certainly have.

No you haven't.

Not only have you not provided any evidence of a Japanese surrender attempt before the atomic bombs were dropped, you also haven't presented any evidence that the atomic bombs weren't dropped on vital military targets.

There is no way that you could ever provide evidence for a fictitious event.

You, meanwhile have done nothing but crying "Nuh-uh!" over and over

That is the appropriate response when you make untrue claims.

like a frustrated child.

Not at all. My responses are neither frustrated nor childish.

 

[Open Bolt]

How are people "disagreeing" with a question?

Probably by hitting the disagree button.

I suspect that they disagree with implied position that the US has done something wrong or somehow lacks moral standing to condemn atrocities.

 

[DudleySmith]

Not at all. My responses are neither frustrated nor childish.

He says that about everybody who hands him his ass, which of course is everybody.

 

[Unkotare]

lol best example of projection all day.

Go look up what that word means.

 

[Unkotare]

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Not only have you not provided any evidence of a Japanese surrender attempt before the atomic bombs were dropped, you also haven't presented any evidence that the atomic bombs weren't dropped on vital military targets.
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Except that I've done that many times. Go ahead, stick your fingers in your ears and cry "Nuh-uh!" a few dozen more times.

 

[P@triot]

Actually, I can give them a pass there as that was a legitimate military target.

Wait. Wait. Wait. Let me get this straight. You're President of the United States on December 7, 1941. Japan bombs Pearl Harbor. You would go before the American people and say, "I'll give Japan a pass here, as that is a legitimate military target. No response from the United States"?

There is no "pass". You hit any US target (civilian, military, infrastructure, cultural, etc.) and the response should be so horrifying that nobody ever wants to hit the US again. That's how you prevent unnecessary atrocities.

 

[P@triot]

Not only have you not provided any evidence of a Japanese surrender attempt before the atomic bombs were dropped, you also haven't presented any evidence that the atomic bombs weren't dropped on vital military targets.

You have to realize OB, Unkatore is a piece of shit who defends vicious, oppressive, totalitarian states. He defends China's CCP all the time. And 80 fuck'n years later, he's still crying that his beloved Japanese totalitarian state got exactly what they deserved.

 

[Unkotare]

....He defends China's CCP all the time.....

NO he doesn't, liar.

 

[Open Bolt]

Except that I've done that many times.

That is incorrect. You have provided zero evidence that Japan tried to surrender before the atomic bombs were dropped.

Nor could you, since Japan never tried to do any such thing.

You have provided zero evidence that the atomic bombs were not dropped on vital military targets.

Nor could you, since the atomic bombs were in fact dropped on vital military targets.

Go ahead, stick your fingers in your ears

No need for that. Since you are not providing any evidence, there is nothing to block out.

and cry "Nuh-uh!" a few dozen more times.

That is the appropriate response when you make untrue statements.

 

[Unkotare]

That is incorrect. ....
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No, it's not. And I note that YOU have still NEVER contributed any links, sources, or evidence beyond your personal insistence.

 

[Open Bolt]

No, it's not.

Yes it is. You have provided zero evidence that Japan tried to surrender before the atomic bombs were dropped.

Nor could you, since Japan never tried to do any such thing.

You have provided zero evidence that the atomic bombs were not dropped on vital military targets.

Nor could you, since the atomic bombs were in fact dropped on vital military targets.

And I note that YOU have still NEVER contributed any links, sources, or evidence beyond your personal insistence.

That is incorrect. I have referred you to two essential history books that would tell you what Japan was actually doing at the end of WWII.

 

[elektra]

I see no evidence of that claim. Everyone knows when japan surrendered as a nation

That is why I am here, to let you know the facts of history. No claims needed.

• Khingan–Mukden Offensive Operation (9 August 1945 – 2 September 1945)
• Harbin–Kirin Offensive Operation (9 August 1945 – 2 September 1945)
• Sungari Offensive Operation (9 August 1945 – 2 September 1945)

Japan surrendered to the USA after we dropped two atomic bombs. Russia attacked Japan after we dropped 2 atomic bombs, and they fought another 3 weeks.

 

[elektra]

The quotes of the military leaders are part of the historical record and are facts

I love the quotes of the military leaders. We have discussed them much in this thread and others. Have you read them. They are a great read, an even better read if they are not cherry picked with google searches.

Did you know that Eisenhower's quotes, were different from year to year to year, proving he knew nothing about the atomic bombs and was simply politically grandstanding.

There is only one way to get quotes right.

 

[elektra]

In fact, seven out of eight top U.S. military commanders believed that it was unnecessary to use atomic bombs against Japan from a military-strategic vantage point, including Admirals Chester Nimitz, Ernest King, William Halsey, and William Leahy, and Generals Henry Arnold and Douglas MacArthur.2 According to Air Force historian Daniel Haulman, even General Curtis LeMay, the architect of the air war against Japan, believed “the new weapons were unnecessary, because his bombers were already destroying the Japanese cities.”3"

Now you are plagiarizing posts made by other members. You do realize this has already been shown false.

The great part about this simpleton revisionist history is how easy it is to show it is false.

Answer one question, how did these people oppose the atomic bombs when they did not know they existed?

 

[Unkotare]

Now you are plagiarizing posts made by other members. ....

It was MY post to start with, genius.

 

[Unkotare]

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Answer one question, how did these people oppose the atomic bombs when they did not know they existed?

Still not making much progress with those reading skills, huh?

 

[Dayton3]

Should we do so as soon as they launch a conventional invasion of Taiwan?

Yes

 

[P@triot]

I love the quotes of the military leaders. We have discussed them much in this thread and others. Have you read them. They are a great read, an even better read if they are not cherry picked with google searches.

Did you know that Eisenhower's quotes, were different from year to year to year, proving he knew nothing about the atomic bombs and was simply politically grandstanding.

There is only one way to get quotes right.

Damn! That is quite a personal library!

 

[Vegasgiants]

I love the quotes of the military leaders. We have discussed them much in this thread and others. Have you read them. They are a great read, an even better read if they are not cherry picked with google searches.

Did you know that Eisenhower's quotes, were different from year to year to year, proving he knew nothing about the atomic bombs and was simply politically grandstanding.

There is only one way to get quotes right.

Yes I have read them. They are great. Almost total agreement that the bombs were not needed

 

[Vegasgiants]

Now you are plagiarizing posts made by other members. You do realize this has already been shown false.

The great part about this simpleton revisionist history is how easy it is to show it is false.

Answer one question, how did these people oppose the atomic bombs when they did not know they existed?

They saw it used and said....yeah that was unnecessary