The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Unkotare]

The history that everyone else reads does.

You should try reading some, not just parroting 75 year old propaganda.

Thanks for the chuckle.

If you find your ignorance amusing, that's your problem.

Nah, that you think the poor ... would have surrendered is hilarious. ...

You haven't read the whole thread, have you kid?

 

[Unkotare]

... has anyone heard a peep from the Japanese Military since 1945? No.
...

5th most powerful military in the world.

2024 Military Strength Ranking

Ranking the nations of the world based on current available firepower.

www.globalfirepower.com

And totally benign. They remember the ass whooping.

Oh look, another 98lb weakling trying to thump his chest on the internet.

Better than you playing with your man boobs.

No one asked you to talk about your fantasies, kid.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Does Hiroshima still glow in the dark?

Only a little punk bitch finds the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians 'funny.'

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No, you're just some dickless bigmouth on the internet. Real American military leaders understand war and life and death.

"Admiral William "Bull" Halsey, the tough and outspoken commander of the U.S. Third Fleet, which participated in the American offensive against the Japanese home islands in the final months of the war, publicly stated in 1946 that "the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment." The Japanese, he noted, had "put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before" the bomb was used."

But all those "Peace feelers" were contingent on Japan keeping the territories they had seized and not holding the war criminals to account.

One more time. Everyone had second thoughts about the bomb after the war, when the true potential of atomic weaponry was realized. In many ways, guys like Halsey and Patton realized the A-bomb put them out of jobs. Fleets and Armies became kind of meaningless when you can just erase whole countries from the map.

At the time it was used, it was just another weapon. 60,000 dead at Hiroshima might SEEM bad, until you realize 70,000,000 died in the war, and Hiroshima represented less than 0.1% of the deaths in WWII. Dragging the war on for another month while "peace feelers" were explored would have resulted in more deaths than the bombing did.

Wrong. They only asked that the emperor not be harmed. They feared the Americans would hang him. A logical fear the Americans never addressed until after Truman did his war crime. Then Dirty Harry assured them the emperor wouldn’t be harmed. Nice guy old Dirty Harry.

Look dumb ass I have repeatedly linked to the documents the Japanese never offered to surrender, all they offered was a ceasefire return to 41 lines and NO concessions in China.

 

[Silver Cat]

.... Does Hiroshima still glow in the dark?

Only a little punk bitch finds the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians 'funny.'

Elimination of America's enemies is good, so why we can't enjoy it?
They wanted to die for their Impy, we just gave them this opportunity.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Does Hiroshima still glow in the dark?

Only a little punk bitch finds the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians 'funny.'

Elimination of America's enemies is good, ....

We were fighting a foreign military, not women, children and the elderly; not unarmed civilians. Real American military leaders - real MEN - of that time and this understood the distinction.

 

[Flash]

The Japs sealed their fate of being nuked with Okinawa.

They decided that they would fight to the last man and make the Americans pay dearly for taking the island.

The lesson that the Americans learned was that it was better to nuke the bastards than to suffer heavy losses.

It is their own damn fault.

 

[Silver Cat]

.... Does Hiroshima still glow in the dark?

Only a little punk bitch finds the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians 'funny.'

Elimination of America's enemies is good, ....

We were fighting a foreign military, not women, children and the elderly; not unarmed civilians. Real American military leaders - real MEN - of that time and this understood the distinction.

We were fighting enemy state, with its civilian leaders, their industry, their infrastructure, and, of course, their military too.
Soldiers (in modern armies) are useless without munitions, so bombing of plants can unarm them. What is better -
1) at the first turn kill unarmed civilians and stop their military production and at the second turn kill already unarmed "soldiers", or
2) at the first turn try to kill well armed soldiers (with heavy losses), and then - try to kill remains of well armed former civilians conscripted to the Army (with much heavier losses)?

 

[Unkotare]

“The use of this barbarous weapon…was of no material assistance in our war against Japan.” —Adm. William Leahy, Truman's Chief of Staff

 

[Unkotare]

“It was a mistake.... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it.” —Adm. William “Bull” Halsey

 

[Unkotare]

"William Leahy, President Truman’s Chief of Staff, wrote in his 1950 memoir I Was There that “the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.… in being the first to use it, we…adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.” "

The War Was Won Before Hiroshima—And the Generals Who Dropped the Bomb Knew It

Seventy years after the bombing, will Americans face the brutal truth?

www.thenation.com

 

[Unkotare]

"The record is quite clear: From the perspective of an overwhelming number of key contemporary leaders in the US military, the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not a matter of military necessity. American intelligence had broken the Japanese codes, knew the Japanese government was trying to negotiate surrender through Moscow, and had long advised that the expected early August Russian declaration of war, along with assurances that Japan’s Emperor would be allowed to stay as a powerless figurehead, would bring surrender long before the first step in a November US invasion, three months later, could begin. "

 

[Unkotare]

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/29.pdf

 

[candycorn]

You never answered. Does Hiroshima still glow in the dark?

 

[Unkotare]

You never answered. Does Hiroshima still glow in the dark?

No, stupid, it doesn't. Go see for yourself.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

"The record is quite clear: From the perspective of an overwhelming number of key contemporary leaders in the US military, the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not a matter of military necessity. American intelligence had broken the Japanese codes, knew the Japanese government was trying to negotiate surrender through Moscow, and had long advised that the expected early August Russian declaration of war, along with assurances that Japan’s Emperor would be allowed to stay as a powerless figurehead, would bring surrender long before the first step in a November US invasion, three months later, could begin. "

Again we HAVE the intercepts all Japan offered was a return to 41 start lines no dismantling of military no occupation and NO concessions in China. That is NOT a surrender.

 

[gipper]

No, you're just some dickless bigmouth on the internet. Real American military leaders understand war and life and death.

"Admiral William "Bull" Halsey, the tough and outspoken commander of the U.S. Third Fleet, which participated in the American offensive against the Japanese home islands in the final months of the war, publicly stated in 1946 that "the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment." The Japanese, he noted, had "put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before" the bomb was used."

But all those "Peace feelers" were contingent on Japan keeping the territories they had seized and not holding the war criminals to account.

One more time. Everyone had second thoughts about the bomb after the war, when the true potential of atomic weaponry was realized. In many ways, guys like Halsey and Patton realized the A-bomb put them out of jobs. Fleets and Armies became kind of meaningless when you can just erase whole countries from the map.

At the time it was used, it was just another weapon. 60,000 dead at Hiroshima might SEEM bad, until you realize 70,000,000 died in the war, and Hiroshima represented less than 0.1% of the deaths in WWII. Dragging the war on for another month while "peace feelers" were explored would have resulted in more deaths than the bombing did.

Wrong. They only asked that the emperor not be harmed. They feared the Americans would hang him. A logical fear the Americans never addressed until after Truman did his war crime. Then Dirty Harry assured them the emperor wouldn’t be harmed. Nice guy old Dirty Harry.

Look dumb ass I have repeatedly linked to the documents the Japanese never offered to surrender, all they offered was a ceasefire return to 41 lines and NO concessions in China.

Hey jug head I’ve tried educating you for a fucking decade, to no avail. You only know the lies you were told in grade school, and haven’t advanced from there. Get informed.

 

[gipper]

... has anyone heard a peep from the Japanese Military since 1945? No.
...

5th most powerful military in the world.

2024 Military Strength Ranking

Ranking the nations of the world based on current available firepower.

www.globalfirepower.com

And totally benign. They remember the ass whooping.

You’re proud of massacring defenseless women and children. You’re one sick fuck.

 

[Levant]

Surely it was obscene for us to nuke Nagasaki just three days, 72 hours, after we had nuked Hiroshima.

I'm not going to catch up page-by-page but I am going to respond to the OP.

What was obscene was for the Emperor of Japan to leverage the religious nature of his role in order to cause his soldiers to never surrender, fight to the death and create the environment where it was necessary to take all possible alternatives to avoid having to invade Japan. It was obscene for the Emperor of Japan, after seeing what happened in Hiroshima, to not surrender.

On every level, the bombing of Nagasaki was the fault and choice of the Emperor of Japan. One might argue against Hiroshima and the use of the atomic bomb in the first place but, once that was done, Nagasaki is 100% on the Emperor.

 

[Levant]

"William Leahy, President Truman’s Chief of Staff, wrote in his 1950 memoir I Was There that “the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.… in being the first to use it, we…adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.” "

The War Was Won Before Hiroshima—And the Generals Who Dropped the Bomb Knew It

Seventy years after the bombing, will Americans face the brutal truth?

www.thenation.com

If they were ready to surrender, then why, after Hiroshima, didn't they surrender?