The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[dosmin.pavas]

Palestinians, Muslim and Christians are the same people that have always lived in the area. The fact that some converted to Islam does not make them Arabians. Arab is a language distinction. A Moroccan has very little in common with an Arabian genetically.

As far as Jews being a majority in Jerusalem in 1864, they weren't even a majority in 1896 after years of Jewish invasion. There are film documentaries to the effect. The Jewish propaganda is so easily debunked by fact.

I prefer to refrain from derogatory and questionable phrases such as Jewish invasion and Jewish propaganda.

You did not counter any of my claims but rather agreed with them. I said according to time and place, sometimes Jews were majority, sometimes Arabs. your statement only supports mine. The rest of your statements is a game of playing with Label of Palestine.

You did not counter any of my arguments:
1- The Mass Arab immigration.
2- a label does not make someone indigenous.
3- Jews were called Palestinians (which means Palestine is just a label).
4- Palestinian Arab flag was created in 1964.

You actually need to counter my points you know!

I am aware that the Arabs do not consider Jews human, let alone Arabs. I am baffled as to why you say Israeli Jews do not have Arab roots.

 

[montelatici]

1. There was no mass Arab immigration. There was a mass European immigration which turned out to be an invasion given the consequences.

"UNITED

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11

UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

Lake Success
New York
1947


b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

2. Non sequitur

3. The Arab Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) called themselves the people of Palestine after Turkey relinquished control. The Palestinians communicated with the British in official letters as the people of Palestine at least as early as 1922.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine......
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE


4. The Palestinian flag is the flag of the Arab revolt adopted in 1916, long before the Israeli flag.

Flag of the Arab Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After you have studied the facts from source documentation, available from official governmental archives rather than the propaganda you have been taught, get back to me.

 

[Hollie]

1. There was no mass Arab immigration. There was a mass European immigration which turned out to be an invasion given the consequences.

"UNITED

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11

UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

Lake Success
New York
1947


b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

2. Non sequitur

3. The Arab Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) called themselves the people of Palestine after Turkey relinquished control. The Palestinians communicated with the British in official letters as the people of Palestine at least as early as 1922.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine......
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE


4. The Palestinian flag is the flag of the Arab revolt adopted in 1916, long before the Israeli flag.

Flag of the Arab Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After you have studied the facts from source documentation, available from official governmental archives rather than the propaganda you have been taught, get back to me.

There actually was a mass Arab-Moslem invasion of the geographic region called "Palestine". That invasion was a part of the Turkish gee-had conquest.

You're really ignorant of the history surrounding the Islamist conquest.

 

[Phoenall]

1. There was no mass Arab immigration. There was a mass European immigration which turned out to be an invasion given the consequences.

"UNITED

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11

UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

Lake Success
New York
1947


b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

2. Non sequitur

3. The Arab Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) called themselves the people of Palestine after Turkey relinquished control. The Palestinians communicated with the British in official letters as the people of Palestine at least as early as 1922.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine......
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE


4. The Palestinian flag is the flag of the Arab revolt adopted in 1916, long before the Israeli flag.

Flag of the Arab Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After you have studied the facts from source documentation, available from official governmental archives rather than the propaganda you have been taught, get back to me.

How come you never post the UN's denial to the arab delegation then freddy, could it be you want people to think the UN was on their side.

 

[dosmin.pavas]

1. There was no mass Arab immigration. There was a mass European immigration which turned out to be an invasion given the consequences.

"UNITED

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11

UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

Lake Success
New York
1947


b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

2. Non sequitur

3. The Arab Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) called themselves the people of Palestine after Turkey relinquished control. The Palestinians communicated with the British in official letters as the people of Palestine at least as early as 1922.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine......
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE


4. The Palestinian flag is the flag of the Arab revolt adopted in 1916, long before the Israeli flag.

Flag of the Arab Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After you have studied the facts from source documentation, available from official governmental archives rather than the propaganda you have been taught, get back to me.

1- UN is the place where lies are told. Its the same place that condemned the peace between Israel and Egypt! But hey nice try!

2- I'm glad we both agree game of playing with labels is a non sequitur.

3- While externally they were called Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews The Arabs rarely refereed to themselves As Palestinians. They didn't like the label as they considered it to be a Jewish Label. but it does not matter anyway because as we agreed earlier this is nothing more than a label and therefore a non sequitur.

4- I'm glad that we both agree that the flag was the flag of the Arab revolt and was not the flag of a sovereign Arab country called Palestine. Palestine is an imaginary country which has never existed. The flag was not flag of PLO until 1964.

PS: I am not saying that Arabs in Judea and Samrea do not deserve to be free (i.e. live in a free democracy) just like I do not call for the destruction of US. both are successful settler colonial projects.

 

[montelatici]

1. We have the source data as reported by the British Mandatory. You can't seem to accept the facts.


.

Vol. 1, page 185

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. You don't appear to understand the term non-sequitur. What doesn't follow is your statement, not the association of national identity with a people.

3. As the Palestinians themselves wrote the referenced letters to the British calling themselves Palestinians, you are again unable to separate yourself from the propaganda you have been fed.

4. Who has ever claimed that there was a sovereign country called Palestine? Independence of Palestine was prevented by the European invasion and colonial settlement. There are Kurdish and Tibetan flags, for example but no sovereign Kurdish or Tibetan states, what is unusual about Palestinians having a flag?

 

[Hollie]

1. There was no mass Arab immigration. There was a mass European immigration which turned out to be an invasion given the consequences.

"UNITED

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11

UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

Lake Success
New York
1947


b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

2. Non sequitur

3. The Arab Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) called themselves the people of Palestine after Turkey relinquished control. The Palestinians communicated with the British in official letters as the people of Palestine at least as early as 1922.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine......
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE


4. The Palestinian flag is the flag of the Arab revolt adopted in 1916, long before the Israeli flag.

Flag of the Arab Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After you have studied the facts from source documentation, available from official governmental archives rather than the propaganda you have been taught, get back to me.

Actually, there was a mass invasion and settler colonization by Arabs-Moslems to the geographic area of "Palestine".

It was first by the Turk conquerors / colonists and later by Syrian, Egyptian and Lebanese squatters.

You have a poor grasp of history but a lot of islamo-propaganda.

 

[Phoenall]

1. We have the source data as reported by the British Mandatory. You can't seem to accept the facts.


. View attachment 69095

Vol. 1, page 185

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. You don't appear to understand the term non-sequitur. What doesn't follow is your statement, not the association of national identity with a people.

3. As the Palestinians themselves wrote the referenced letters to the British calling themselves Palestinians, you are again unable to separate yourself from the propaganda you have been fed.

4. Who has ever claimed that there was a sovereign country called Palestine? Independence of Palestine was prevented by the European invasion and colonial settlement. There are Kurdish and Tibetan flags, for example but no sovereign Kurdish or Tibetan states, what is unusual about Palestinians having a flag?

WRONG AGAIN more LIES as it was the anglo American committee and had no ties to the mandate

 

[Phoenall]

1. There was no mass Arab immigration. There was a mass European immigration which turned out to be an invasion given the consequences.

"UNITED

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11

UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

Lake Success
New York
1947


b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

2. Non sequitur

3. The Arab Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) called themselves the people of Palestine after Turkey relinquished control. The Palestinians communicated with the British in official letters as the people of Palestine at least as early as 1922.

"PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine......
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration."

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)


4. The Palestinian flag is the flag of the Arab revolt adopted in 1916, long before the Israeli flag.

Flag of the Arab Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After you have studied the facts from source documentation, available from official governmental archives rather than the propaganda you have been taught, get back to me.

Actually, there was a mass invasion and settler colonization by Arabs-Moslems to the geographic area of "Palestine".

It was first by the Turk conquerors / colonists and later by Syrian, Egyptian and Lebanese squatters.

You have a poor grasp of history but a lot of islamo-propaganda.

He forgets Churchills speech to the house when he told of the mass immigration by arab muslims to Palestine.

 

[Art__Allm]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition.

A tiny minority of Palestinians adhered to Judaism, about 30 % of Palestinians to Christianity, and the rest of Palestinians were Muslims.

I think that Jews are a religious group, not an ethnic or racial group. You can be a Polytheist and then convert to Judaism, and after that to Christianity, and after that to Islam, and after that you can become an atheist or agnostic.

Precisely that happened to Palestinians.

They were Polytheists, then came the crazy Hebrews (they were also called Habiru or Apiru) and forced their Monotheism upon them. Then most of them accepted Jesus Christ and became Christians. Then Muhammad said that he is the second prophet, that Jesus was just his predecessor, and most of Palestinians converted to Islam. Only a tiny minority of Palestinians preserved Judaism, the rest of them chose other types of Monotheism.

What about Zionists who claimed that they are "returning" to Palestine after 2000 years of supposed diaspora?

Well, that are silly fairy tales, invented by Zionists to justify their land grab.

Most of Zionists are descendants of different types of converts, their ancestors converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages.

Some of Jews can trace their ancestry to Orient (many Arabs converted to Judaism in Yemen or North Africa, like Morocco), but the conversion to any religion does not have any influence on your genetic make up, so the oriental ancestry is no prove for Hebrew ancestry.

What to Ashkenazi, their maternal line is of European origin, so they are per definition Europeans, because Judaism is inherited via the maternal line.

Some of Ashkenazi Cohens may really stem from Hebrews, but only about 3% of all Ashkenazi are Cohnens.

Besides that the about 70% of Russian Jews stem from mixed families, the Jews in the SU usually married non-Jews.

So the claim of Ashkenazi that they are "returning" to Palestine is just chutzpah or lunacy, or both.




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[Art__Allm]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition.

A tiny minority of Palestinians adhered to Judaism, about 30 % of Palestinians to Christianity, and the rest of Palestinians were Muslims at the beginning of the 19th century.

I think that Jews are a religious group, not an ethnic or racial group. You can be a Polytheist and then convert to Judaism, and after that to Christianity, and after that to Islam, and after that you can become an atheist or agnostic.

Precisely that happened to Palestinians.

They were Polytheists, then came the crazy Hebrews (they were also called Habiru or Apiru) and forced their Monotheism upon them.

After that most of them accepted Jesus Christ and became Christians.

Then Muhammad said that he is the second prophet, that Jesus was just his predecessor, and most of Palestinians converted to Islam. Only a tiny minority of Palestinians preserved Judaism, the rest of them chose other types of Monotheism.

What about Zionists who claimed that they are "returning" to Palestine after 2000 years of supposed diaspora?

Well, that are silly fairy tales, invented by Zionists to justify their land grab.

Most of Zionists are descendants of different types of converts, their ancestors converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages.

Some of Jews can trace their ancestry to Orient (many Arabs converted to Judaism in Yemen or North Africa, like Morocco), but the conversion to any religion does not have any influence on your genetic make up, so the oriental ancestry is no prove for Hebrew ancestry.

What to Ashkenazi, their maternal line is of European origin, so they are per definition Europeans, because Judaism is inherited via the maternal line.

Some of Ashkenazi Cohens may really stem from Hebrews, but only about 3% of all Ashkenazi are Cohnens.

Besides that, about 70% of Russian Jews who "returned" to Palestine, stem from mixed families, the Jews in the SU usually married non-Jews.

So the claim of Ashkenazi that they are "returning" to Palestine is just chutzpah or lunacy, or both.




Most

 

[Challenger]

UN is the place where lies are told.

Today, perhaps, but back in 1947, two years after arguably the most destructive war in human history, the U.N. took themselves far more seriously; of the then 57 members 44 could reasonably have been classed as functioning democracies; the remaining 13 being mainly Soviet bloc countries and satellites. So that speech by the neocon Douglas Murray is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Nice try though. 4/10

 

[Phoenall]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition.

A tiny minority of Palestinians adhered to Judaism, about 30 % of Palestinians to Christianity, and the rest of Palestinians were Muslims.

I think that Jews are a religious group, not an ethnic or racial group. You can be a Polytheist and then convert to Judaism, and after that to Christianity, and after that to Islam, and after that you can become an atheist or agnostic.

Precisely that happened to Palestinians.

They were Polytheists, then came the crazy Hebrews (they were also called Habiru or Apiru) and forced their Monotheism upon them. Then most of them accepted Jesus Christ and became Christians. Then Muhammad said that he is the second prophet, that Jesus was just his predecessor, and most of Palestinians converted to Islam. Only a tiny minority of Palestinians preserved Judaism, the rest of them chose other types of Monotheism.

What about Zionists who claimed that they are "returning" to Palestine after 2000 years of supposed diaspora?

Well, that are silly fairy tales, invented by Zionists to justify their land grab.

Most of Zionists are descendants of different types of converts, their ancestors converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages.

Some of Jews can trace their ancestry to Orient (many Arabs converted to Judaism in Yemen or North Africa, like Morocco), but the conversion to any religion does not have any influence on your genetic make up, so the oriental ancestry is no prove for Hebrew ancestry.

What to Ashkenazi, their maternal line is of European origin, so they are per definition Europeans, because Judaism is inherited via the maternal line.

Some of Ashkenazi Cohens may really stem from Hebrews, but only about 3% of all Ashkenazi are Cohnens.

Besides that the about 70% of Russian Jews stem from mixed families, the Jews in the SU usually married non-Jews.

So the claim of Ashkenazi that they are "returning" to Palestine is just chutzpah or lunacy, or both.




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And you have yet to produce any concrete evidence of this happening. In the case of the Jews there is much testimony from famous Jews who stated that the pretended to convert but practised their religion in secret. In the case of Christianity it was mostly based on lighter versions of Judaism so the Jews had no problems in the pretense.

The worlds top geneticists have shown that the Jews in Ethiopia have the same DNA as the Jews in Russia and East Europe and the M.E. Not a close match but an exact match and no arab muslims or Christians have even a close match.

Do at least research the subject fully before making a complete fool of yourself

 

[Phoenall]

UN is the place where lies are told.

Today, perhaps, but back in 1947, two years after arguably the most destructive war in human history, the U.N. took themselves far more seriously; of the then 57 members 44 could reasonably have been classed as functioning democracies; the remaining 13 being mainly Soviet bloc countries and satellites. So that speech by the neocon Douglas Murray is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Nice try though. 4/10

Did not stop them from being ANTI SEMITES and Jew haters did it, as shown by the stupid partition plan that was meaqnt to put the Jews on the attack and backfired

 

[jillian]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

not what happened, loony toon.

history is important.

but thanks once again to the o/p for yet another jew bashing thread.

i wonder how much she gets paid to post her propaganda

 

[Challenger]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

not what happened, loony toon.

history is important.

but thanks once again to the o/p for yet another jew bashing thread.

i wonder how much she gets paid to post her propaganda

Probaby nothing. Unlike you and your Zionut friends http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

 

[montelatici]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

not what happened, loony toon.

history is important.

but thanks once again to the o/p for yet another jew bashing thread.

i wonder how much she gets paid to post her propaganda

The Battle of Jericho did not happen?

 

[Hollie]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

not what happened, loony toon.

history is important.

but thanks once again to the o/p for yet another jew bashing thread.

i wonder how much she gets paid to post her propaganda

The Battle of Jericho did not happen?

It did. As did the war of conquest and colonization by Moslems (Turkish invaders), of the geographic area of Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

Who did the Muslim Turks conquer through this war of conquest?

 

[Hollie]

Who did this Turkish war of conquest conquer?

The Swedes.

Ya Allah. You previously shuffled off whining and crying about putting me on ignore.

Obviously you're not to be trusted.