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If you start the assault (which does not have to include physical violence), you are the aggressor and have no right to self defense UNLESS...your victim escalates the level of force or tries to resume the fight after you make an attempt to leave. Then you do have a right to self defense.
Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck ( leaving ). Martin RETURNED to confront and fight.
Can you be more specific on "somehow they ran into each other"? Because that's kind of the crux here. If Zimmerman ran after him and caught up to him and initiated the fight that looks a whole lot worse for SD than Martin doubling back and confronting him.Like I stated in the post you responded to; I think that they somehow ran into each other and the confrontation was on. In short:
The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him .against the direction of the 911 responder. Lets all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason.
Can we agree that zimmerman was pursuing Martin?
question
did anyone count how many times
the bernster said
F ing punks
Yes I did.
He said f'n punks 10 times, and also played it on tape once, and put it in his power point twice.
Also he said assholes 11 times, on tape twice and on screen 3 times.
M'fer was said once by Bernie and once on tape.
George Zimmerman claimed Trayvon Martin attacked first in account to cops - NYPOST.com
Zimmerman claimed Martin asked if he had a problem, according to the Sentinel and ABC News. He told cops he said no and reached for his cellphone to make another call.
Well, you do now, Martin said before slugging Zimmerman, the watchman told police, according to the Sentinel.
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The account differs from that of Martins girlfriend, who was chatting with him on his cellphone before the encounter.
Why are you following me? Martin was heard asking, according to the 16-year-old girl.
She said she heard a man ask, What are you doing around here?
Then, she said, she heard a scuffle and the line went dead.
Zimmerman claimed Martin asked if he had a problem .... Why are you following me? - What are you doing around here?
Zimmerman reversed the order of the conversation in his testimony ... Martin asked the first question - Why are you following me?.
not if Zimmerman had a problem but (do you have a problem with my being here) ...
Manslaughter- TEN YEARS!!
Funny thing here, because I actually believe Zimmerman is most likely guilty of manslaughter, but I do not support, in any way, his conviction. The prosecution had a choice from the beginning to charge Zimmerman with involuntary manslaughter. They chose second degree murder. Now that they know they have no chance of getting a conviction for second degree murder, they ask the judge to allow jurors to consider a lesser charge. What a crock of shit. Their case was predicated on a second degree murder charge. They did not prove their case. Case over.
One last thing in defense of Zimmerman; despite the fact that I can't stand the guy, there is some solid evidence that he showed no malice toward Travon Martin, and that proof comes in the fact that he only fired one shot. That shot was fired after he was being beaten. To what degree, we will never know, but the fact is that Martin did beat on him based on the scars he had on his face and head. Only one shot fired, and absolutely zero solid evidence showing he acted with any malice whatsoever.
If for any reason he is convicted, I can only hope to God that such a conviction would be overturned. Our justice system requires proof of guilt and that proof must come without any reasonable doubt. No matter what is done with this case, there is more than reasonable doubt, therefore there can be no conviction.
If somehow the killer, George Zimmerman, gets off Scot free, he's going to immediately start on the NRA circuit. He'll be a RW hero inviting to speak at all their events. He may even get hired by FOXNEWS.
He'll be rich.
That's how they treat their criminals that get away...they prop them up. Google Darryl Issa. He's nothing but a small-time crook that got away.
How high do democrats hold Bill Ayers, or Ted Kennedy?
I didn't know who Bill Ayers was until the right wingers lame attempt to connect him to Obama. All the garbage about Ayers mentoring Obama is ludicrous and merely a smear against a black guy who become president.
Speaking of Ted Kennedy, what about Laura Bush and her boyfriend? Or John McCain and the Forrestal? There are plenty of deaths on both sides. But with the exception of Zimmerman and Laura Bush, no one actually went out looking to kill someone.
Pinky ring and sunglasses.
Mmmmmmhmmm
First drink of tasty court water!
