The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[jon_berzerk]

Manslaughter- TEN YEARS!!

Funny thing here, because I actually believe Zimmerman is most likely guilty of manslaughter, but I do not support, in any way, his conviction. The prosecution had a choice from the beginning to charge Zimmerman with involuntary manslaughter. They chose second degree murder. Now that they know they have no chance of getting a conviction for second degree murder, they ask the judge to allow jurors to consider a lesser charge. What a crock of shit. Their case was predicated on a second degree murder charge. They did not prove their case. Case over.

One last thing in defense of Zimmerman; despite the fact that I can't stand the guy, there is some solid evidence that he showed no malice toward Travon Martin, and that proof comes in the fact that he only fired one shot. That shot was fired after he was being beaten. To what degree, we will never know, but the fact is that Martin did beat on him based on the scars he had on his face and head. Only one shot fired, and absolutely zero solid evidence showing he acted with any malice whatsoever.

If for any reason he is convicted, I can only hope to God that such a conviction would be overturned. Our justice system requires proof of guilt and that proof must come without any reasonable doubt. No matter what is done with this case, there is more than reasonable doubt, therefore there can be no conviction.

How could he be charged with involuntary manslaughter when he intentionally shot Martin?

voluntary manslaughter

 

[Rat in the Hat]

First drink of tasty court water!

We've been together too long we're thinking with the same brain.

 

[Sallow]

Look how many people live in DC, they don't seem to have a problem living next to Barack drone strike against kids Obama

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And I am sure that folks like you were upset when Reagan ordered the bombing that killed Gaddafi's daughter, right?

 

[The Rabbi]

Funny thing here, because I actually believe Zimmerman is most likely guilty of manslaughter, but I do not support, in any way, his conviction. The prosecution had a choice from the beginning to charge Zimmerman with involuntary manslaughter. They chose second degree murder. Now that they know they have no chance of getting a conviction for second degree murder, they ask the judge to allow jurors to consider a lesser charge. What a crock of shit. Their case was predicated on a second degree murder charge. They did not prove their case. Case over.

One last thing in defense of Zimmerman; despite the fact that I can't stand the guy, there is some solid evidence that he showed no malice toward Travon Martin, and that proof comes in the fact that he only fired one shot. That shot was fired after he was being beaten. To what degree, we will never know, but the fact is that Martin did beat on him based on the scars he had on his face and head. Only one shot fired, and absolutely zero solid evidence showing he acted with any malice whatsoever.

If for any reason he is convicted, I can only hope to God that such a conviction would be overturned. Our justice system requires proof of guilt and that proof must come without any reasonable doubt. No matter what is done with this case, there is more than reasonable doubt, therefore there can be no conviction.

How could he be charged with involuntary manslaughter when he intentionally shot Martin?

voluntary manslaughter

Voluntary manslaughter describes a homicide intentionally committed while in the midst of a provocation. The prosecutor must show a sudden, unexpected event or circumstance serving as a provocation. As a result of the provocation, the defendant must have felt a temporary anger, heat of passion, or emotion that immediately resulted in an intent to kill or an intent to commit the act that resulted in the victim's death. - See more at: Florida Voluntary Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

Self defense is still a defense here. That's a non starter.

 

[Sallow]

How many people have no problem living next to a "child killer"?

Regardless of the controversy, George Zimmerman killed what the law considers a "child". I suspect George will probably walk.

How many of his supporters would want him to actually live next door?

What if you have teenage children? Would you have any concern that he might kill one of them? If not, why not?

If he shot and killed Martin, what would keep him from doing the same to someone else's child?

If he did, would you still support him?

If somehow the killer, George Zimmerman, gets off Scot free, he's going to immediately start on the NRA circuit. He'll be a RW hero inviting to speak at all their events. He may even get hired by FOXNEWS.

He'll be rich.

That's how they treat their criminals that get away...they prop them up. Google Darryl Issa. He's nothing but a small-time crook that got away.

How high do democrats hold Bill Ayers, or Ted Kennedy?

Or how high do Conservatives hold Orlando Bosch, or Mitt Romney?

 

[dilloduck]

The basic guidelines are:
If you start the assault (which does not have to include physical violence), you are the aggressor and have no right to self defense UNLESS...your victim escalates the level of force or tries to resume the fight after you make an attempt to leave. Then you do have a right to self defense.

Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck ( leaving ). Martin RETURNED to confront and fight.

If this is true, then at that point Martin would be the aggressor and Zimmerman would have self defense. Unless, of course, he threatened Martin with his gun, which is an escalation or force and would make Zimmermant the aggressor.

Note that I'm not taking any sides or arguing what really happened...just pointing out general concepts.

Appreciate it but general concepts have been gone over a gazillion times. Look at the size of the thread.

 

[Sarah G]

If lying is suddenly the focus of the case why didn't Mr. Stamina impeach Crump ?

crump has been pretty low key these days

I think the defense tried to avoid racial conflict by not going after him and his crimes.

Now Ben Crump committed crimes? Everybody but Georgie committed crimes..

 

[testarosa]

Stamina has fancy words. I like fancy words.

 

[jon_berzerk]

How could he be charged with involuntary manslaughter when he intentionally shot Martin?

voluntary manslaughter

Voluntary manslaughter describes a homicide intentionally committed while in the midst of a provocation. The prosecutor must show a sudden, unexpected event or circumstance serving as a provocation. As a result of the provocation, the defendant must have felt a temporary anger, heat of passion, or emotion that immediately resulted in an intent to kill or an intent to commit the act that resulted in the victim's death. - See more at: Florida Voluntary Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

Self defense is still a defense here. That's a non starter.

yes

if the jury finds it is self defense

that applies to all charges

and it is over

 

[CrusaderFrank]

My son told me that the concept is "lesser included charges" I didn't watch a minute of the trial so I don't know if that's the case here

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[jon_berzerk]

crump has been pretty low key these days

I think the defense tried to avoid racial conflict by not going after him and his crimes.

Now Ben Crump committed crimes? Everybody but Georgie committed crimes..

yes that is possible

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Trayvon's Daddy just showed up late. I bet Sybrina Fulton whispers "This is why I divorced you!"

 

[Sarah G]

O'Mara looks old today like he's picking up the slack for his partner West.

 

[testarosa]

Stamina knows about history and justice. I like history and justice.

 

[Sarah G]

Do you like bullshit too?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Stamina knows about history and justice. I like history and justice.

during jury selection

jurors thanked omara for his history lessons about law

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Look how many people live in DC, they don't seem to have a problem living next to Barack drone strike against kids Obama

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And I am sure that folks like you were upset when Reagan ordered the bombing that killed Gaddafi's daughter, right?

Well, you certainly aren't upset about Obama doing it now. Clearly you're trying to pin Frank because you're a hypocrite too. Deflection!

-100 for Shallow.

 

[dilloduck]

crump has been pretty low key these days

I think the defense tried to avoid racial conflict by not going after him and his crimes.

Now Ben Crump committed crimes? Everybody but Georgie committed crimes..

Hey Sarah--how's your hammer hanging this AM ?

Crump pulled some shady stuff---lies were presented as the truth. Little stuff like that.

 

[testarosa]

O'Mara looks old today like he's picking up the slack for his partner West.

You'd have bad days too if you'd been up for weeks slaying the dragon.

 

[dilloduck]

Do you like bullshit too?

oooooo I love it. People really don't understand just how good bullshit can be.