The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[lilburnjoe]

I just heard the Jury is requesting poker chips and 3 decks of cards !

 

[pinqy]

The basic guidelines are:
If you start the assault (which does not have to include physical violence), you are the aggressor and have no right to self defense UNLESS...your victim escalates the level of force or tries to resume the fight after you make an attempt to leave. Then you do have a right to self defense.

 

[jon_berzerk]

final jury instructions

in case no one has seen it

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Zimmerman_Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

STATEMENT OF CHARGE
George Zimmerman, the defendant in this case, has been accused of the crime of
Second Degree Murder.

In this case, George Zimmerman is accused of Second Degree Murder.
A killing that is excusable or was committed by the use of justifiable deadly force is
lawful.
If you find Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman, you will then consider the
circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was Murder in the Second
Degree or was Manslaughter, or whether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable
use of deadly force.
JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE
The killing of a human being is justifiable and lawful if necessarily done while resisting
an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony in
any dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the attempted killing.

 

[dilloduck]

The basic guidelines are:
If you start the assault (which does not have to include physical violence), you are the aggressor and have no right to self defense UNLESS...your victim escalates the level of force or tries to resume the fight after you make an attempt to leave. Then you do have a right to self defense.

Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck ( leaving ). Martin RETURNED to confront and fight.

 

[rdean]

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It is if the guy who ends up dead is black. Ask the Republicans. They'll tell you.

 

[Sunshine]

Punching someone because you are paranoid is not self defense. Trayvon wasn't scared. Trayvon walked right up to George's truck. You'll find this out when the jury brings back it's verdict.

I wouldn't be so sure. I don't have faith in a jury in cases like this. I feel that they will look for something, anything to charge him with.

They may feel like they have to go the manslaughter route just to please the natives.

But white people will use the system, like filing bar complaints, opposing Nelson when she is up for reelection, etc, etc, etc..... Cuz that's what we do. We, after all, DID create this system. Just bear that in mind.

 

[rdean]

How many people have no problem living next to a "child killer"?

Regardless of the controversy, George Zimmerman killed what the law considers a "child". I suspect George will probably walk.

How many of his supporters would want him to actually live next door?

What if you have teenage children? Would you have any concern that he might kill one of them? If not, why not?

If he shot and killed Martin, what would keep him from doing the same to someone else's child?

If he did, would you still support him?

If somehow the killer, George Zimmerman, gets off Scot free, he's going to immediately start on the NRA circuit. He'll be a RW hero inviting to speak at all their events. He may even get hired by FOXNEWS.

He'll be rich.

That's how they treat their criminals that get away...they prop them up. Google Darryl Issa. He's nothing but a small-time crook that got away.

How high do democrats hold Bill Ayers, or Ted Kennedy?

I didn't know who Bill Ayers was until the right wingers lame attempt to connect him to Obama. All the garbage about Ayers mentoring Obama is ludicrous and merely a smear against a black guy who become president.

Speaking of Ted Kennedy, what about Laura Bush and her boyfriend? Or John McCain and the Forrestal? There are plenty of deaths on both sides. But with the exception of Zimmerman and Laura Bush, no one actually went out looking to kill someone.

 

[testarosa]

You are correct.
Maybe defense will use it against the State?

I find that incredible. He should be disbarred for such an outrage! Is there no law preventing state prosecutors from lying in order to obtain a conviction? Are they not under oath to tell the truth just like everyone else?

Shame!

the state had several lies and lies by omission as well as hiding evidence favorable to the
defense

plus the judge has erred on several points some serious

which will be reviewed after the conclusion of this trial

Reviewed by who? I don't think anything will come of it. Unless there's something Stamina can file and pursue.

 

[Sunshine]

I find that incredible. He should be disbarred for such an outrage! Is there no law preventing state prosecutors from lying in order to obtain a conviction? Are they not under oath to tell the truth just like everyone else?

Shame!

the state had several lies and lies by omission as well as hiding evidence favorable to the
defense

plus the judge has erred on several points some serious

which will be reviewed after the conclusion of this trial

Reviewed by who? I don't think anything will come of it. Unless there's something Stamina can file and pursue.

The judiciary polices its own. They are taught in baby judge school when they don't know something to bluster and blow and fake it, so I don't think the judiciary will take her on. The voters might though.

 

[Cuyo]

The answer is yes.

If I call you an ignorant liberal douchebag, and you attack me for it and then I have to shoot you it is self-defense. I started it but you don't have the right to assault me for it.

What if you call me an ignorant liberal douchebag, I walk away, you follow me, and when I ask you why you're following me you reach for a gun?

Do _I_ have a right to defend MYself?

 

[rdean]

How many people have no problem living next to a "child killer"?

Regardless of the controversy, George Zimmerman killed what the law considers a "child". I suspect George will probably walk.

How many of his supporters would want him to actually live next door?

What if you have teenage children? Would you have any concern that he might kill one of them? If not, why not?

If he shot and killed Martin, what would keep him from doing the same to someone else's child?

If he did, would you still support him?

People live next to you, don't they? You support abortions, you kill children.

I wish you fuckers would stop on the abortion thing. Republicans just dropped food stamps from the farm subsidy bill. They want kids to go hungry. Republicans only like the children of rich people. Everyone else, fuck 'em. You know it. I know it. Republicans prove it with their actions. Helping Americans is "socialism". Once they are born, Republicans feel they have done their jobs. If kids suffer and die from disease or starvation, so what? Who cares? Not the GOP.

And look at the recent threads on Wal Mart. Cut minimum wage AND food stamps? Work for slave wages and hope you can afford enough to eat? Come on. Republicans want to cut disaster relief. Screw over Americans. Get tax cuts to billionaires. These people are fucking savages.

 

[Cuyo]

The basic guidelines are:
If you start the assault (which does not have to include physical violence), you are the aggressor and have no right to self defense UNLESS...your victim escalates the level of force or tries to resume the fight after you make an attempt to leave. Then you do have a right to self defense.

Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck ( leaving ). Martin RETURNED to confront and fight.

Yes that's what he says... The one far-fetched narrative that would indeed make it self defense.

Why do you accept it as fact?

 

[testarosa]

the state had several lies and lies by omission as well as hiding evidence favorable to the
defense

plus the judge has erred on several points some serious

which will be reviewed after the conclusion of this trial

Reviewed by who? I don't think anything will come of it. Unless there's something Stamina can file and pursue.

The judiciary polices its own. They are taught in baby judge school when they don't know something to bluster and blow and fake it, so I don't think the judiciary will take her on. The voters might though.

They're going into the circular file.

 

[dilloduck]

The basic guidelines are:
If you start the assault (which does not have to include physical violence), you are the aggressor and have no right to self defense UNLESS...your victim escalates the level of force or tries to resume the fight after you make an attempt to leave. Then you do have a right to self defense.

Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck ( leaving ). Martin RETURNED to confront and fight.

Yes that's what he says... The one far-fetched narrative that would indeed make it self defense.

Why do you accept it as fact?

Because that's what a reasonable person would do and there is nothing to contradict it. If Martin was afraid he had a safe home to go to. He chose to return to confront Zimmerman.

 

[rdean]

Punk ass ****** meets deserved end.

The end.

Next...

I love it when one of you guys shows the "honesty" of who you are. Good for you. You "represent".

That's MISTER "one of you guys" to you, bub.

OK. MISTER Racist Fuck. You represent. I have to admire your "honesty" about what a slime ball you are. Why can't you get more of your ilk to agree with you in public they way the do in private? Well, keep working on them. Honesty is the best policy.

 

[Sallow]

How many people have no problem living next to a "child killer"?

Regardless of the controversy, George Zimmerman killed what the law considers a "child". I suspect George will probably walk.

How many of his supporters would want him to actually live next door?

What if you have teenage children? Would you have any concern that he might kill one of them? If not, why not?

If he shot and killed Martin, what would keep him from doing the same to someone else's child?

If he did, would you still support him?

This actually is a real concern.

The level of violent crimes committed by George Zimmerman has been going up with each iteration.

And he revels in beating the system.

He may be a sociopath.

And could well become a serial killer.

 

[Sunshine]

Reviewed by who? I don't think anything will come of it. Unless there's something Stamina can file and pursue.

The judiciary polices its own. They are taught in baby judge school when they don't know something to bluster and blow and fake it, so I don't think the judiciary will take her on. The voters might though.

They're going into the circular file.

I'm sure of it. Maybe the voters will remember.

 

[AVG-JOE]

All good questions. The devil remains in the details, the truth, and whose story is believed.

 

[testarosa]

The judiciary polices its own. They are taught in baby judge school when they don't know something to bluster and blow and fake it, so I don't think the judiciary will take her on. The voters might though.

They're going into the circular file.

I'm sure of it. Maybe the voters will remember.

Hopefully someone has to run opposing though. That doesn't happen a lot.

Okay I'm ofuckingficially jaded.

Shit.

 

[dilloduck]

If lying is suddenly the focus of the case why didn't Mr. Stamina impeach Crump ?