The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[testarosa]

No one called M O'M about the suit color of the day.

 

[MeBelle]

New water pitcher. That must be some really delicious water.



Sent frum muh stolen sail foam usin sum majikal crackah kumpooter shit.

I was wondering if it was tap or filtered...

 

[earlycuyler]

The state's case is going down in flames!


http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-2-analysis-of-states-witnesses

Today can only be characterized as an utter debacle for the prosecution in Florida v. Zimmerman. Besides the testimony of a couple of highly professional law enforcement witnesses, the testimony of the the other State witnesses ranged from signing George Zimmerman’s praises, to acknowledging the utility of following a suspicious person from a distance, to being utterly discredited by razor sharp cross-examination of the defense.

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Wendy Dorival, Sanford Police Department, Neighborhood Watch Program

Ms. Dorival works for the Sanford Police Department and played a major role in coordinating with George Zimmerman to establish the Neighborhood Watch Program at the Retreat at Twin Lakes community. Her role is to instruct the residents on how the NWP works, and provide guide lines on its operation.
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State witness, Ms. Dorival, NWP coordinator

Recall that one of the key elements of the State’s theory of the case is that Zimmerman is a “wannabe cop” who “took the law into his own hands.” The expectation was that this witness would define the limited scope of the NWP, and the State could then illustrate how Zimmerman had aggressively over-stepped these limitations in “profiling” and “following” Martin.

Accordingly, the State started asking Dorival about whether NWP participants are advised to “follow” and “confront” suspicious persons, and she affirmed that the participants were merely supposed to be the “eyes and ears” of the community and that actual enforcement should be left to the police. If they saw a crime they should call 911, if they saw merely suspicious behavior they should call the provided non-emergency number.

Defense Attorney West

He asked if she had any personal knowledge of the drivers behind Twin Lakes starting a NWP,. Dorival confirmed that she had checked with the Sanford Police Department’s crime statistics and confirmed that there had been a spike in robberies and that the neighborhood’s concerns about crime were genuine. She was also aware of the recent home invasion.

He then explored her experience interacting with George Zimmerman. Was he polite, courteous, respectful, he asked?

Oh, yes, Dorival answered. Every time.

That was the first indication that this witness might spin against the State’s interests–and an eruption of confirmatory testimony was about to emerge.

Dorival naturally thought it was great that Zimmerman wanted to start a NWP. Indeed, so committed was she herself to the NWP initiative that she took the lead at the Sanford PD even though it wasn’t really her “day job” there.

Further, she thought it was great that Zimmerman was pursuing a degree in criminal justice. In fact, she had been so impressed with him that she had tried to recruit him for the Sanford PD’s “Citizen on Patrol” program.

“Citizens on Patrol?” asked West. “What’s that?”

It turns out that it’s a program in which the Sanford Police Department would provide Zimmerman with a civilianized patrol car and a uniform of sorts, and provide additional training that would allow him to effectively conduct patrols of his neighborhood. In contrast, the NWP program was far less pro-active, involving only observation and reporting.

Surely the Zimmerman described by the State as a “wannabe cop” seeking to “take the law into his own hands” and “profile” and “chase” unfamiliar black boys would fairly leap at such an opportunity. It was as close to being a police officer as Zimmerman was ever likely to get, the chance of a life time.

Zimmerman declined the opportunity.

This did not, however, spoil Dorival’s respect for Zimmerman. When asked by West if there was anything about Zimmerman’s demeanor that “raised any red flags” for her, she answered in the negative. George, she said, struck her as very professional, perhaps a little meek, but a man who was really committed to making his community better.​

Dorival also said this when she testified.-

Witness recalls efforts to save wounded Trayvon Martin - U.S. News

Sanford Police Department civilian employee Wendy Dorival testified that she helped Zimmerman set up a neighborhood watch after a rash of crimes in his development. Under questioning by prosecutors, Dorival said watch volunteers were intended to be the “eyes and ears” of law enforcement and were instructed not to follow or confront anyone suspicious.

Zimmerman did exactly the opposite of what the NW was set up to do. Therein lies the rub. That said, after Casey Anthony, in Florida anything can happen.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I agree.

Martin probably didn't even see the gun until it was buried in his chest.

Another lie Zimmerman told.

Sorry, you're going to have to elaborate.

My understanding is Zimmerman said Martin saw the gun AFTER he was on top of Zimmerman wailing away on him.

That seems totally consistent with the facts.

They struggle, gun goes off one time, Martin stops fighting.

Zimmerman had his hands free enough to take the gun out his holster and deliver a near perfect shot to Martin's chest which killed him instantly.

That doesn't sound like he was blacking out or near death.

So you consider hitting the "near perfect shot" from inches away an accomplishment.....?
Do you think before you type? Or maybe you're just a really bad shot.

 

[testarosa]

@ West making sure everyone has a full water glass.



Sent frum muh stolen sail foam usin sum majikal crackah kumpooter shit.

That court water must be some tasty stuff.

 

[testarosa]

New water pitcher. That must be some really delicious water.



Sent frum muh stolen sail foam usin sum majikal crackah kumpooter shit.

I was wondering if it was tap or filtered...

Or out of the public drinking fountain.

yum yum.

 

[MeBelle]

The parents are wearing matching suits.

 

[testarosa]

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

What's the point of Hiro?

He couldn't ID the scream on the call.

 

[MeBelle]

Who the heck is Nakasone?

 

[testarosa]

This has got to be a desperation out of options witness.

 

[The Rabbi]

We'll see what happens...I don't think the jury will convict of murder. Next time, just give the customers their Big Mac and leave them alone.

Are you hallucinating? At least you understand Zimmerman is innocent.

Never said that.

I don't think they can convict of murder. They have to get 6 people to rule out any extenuating factors and that likely won't happen. Had they charged Zimmerman with a lesser charge, they would have it in the bag already.

Murder is a high hurdle to clear.

The burden of proof for murder is the same as any criminal charge. What kind of "extenuating circumstances" are you talking about?

I suspect, with just cause, that you have no idea what you're talking about and what this trial is about. I'll summarize it in small words you can understand.

Zimmerman killed Martin. That is admitted at the outset. He raised the positive defense that he did so in self defense. In order to overcome a self defense case the prosecution will have to show that Zimmerman was NOT reasonably in fear of death or severe bodily harm at the time he shot Martin.
Had Martin been running away and Zimmerman shot him in the back, that would be grounds to rule out self defense. Had Martin been across the street and Zimmerman shot him, that would be grounds as well.
Martin had to meet three criteria to be considered a threat:
He had to have opportunity to inflict severe injury.
He had to have ability to inflict severe injury.
He had to have demonstrated intent to inflict severe injury.

Did he have those three things? Was Zimmerman in reasonable fear of death or severe bodily harm when he shot Martin? If the answer is Yes, then he walks free on a self defense pleading.

What lesser charge could the DA have used against Zimmerman? Graffiti, because he splashed Martin's blood on the ground?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

WTF! I thought they weren't allowed to use voice experts.


Side note: Is this the same Nakasone that built the tower in the first Die Hard movie?



Sent frum muh stolen sail foam usin sum majikal crackah kumpooter shit.

 

[testarosa]

Who the heck is Nakasone?

FBI voice analyst.

Couldn't ID the scream.

No clue what he can contribute for the state.

 

[MeBelle]

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

What's the point of Hiro?

He couldn't ID the scream on the call.

^^^point^^^​

 

[testarosa]

I don't think he's going to be able to talk about the scream and couldn't ID either.

So... um...

Maybe the state is at the end here - ?? Bottom of the barrel, making up shit.

 

[The Rabbi]

Sorry, you're going to have to elaborate.

My understanding is Zimmerman said Martin saw the gun AFTER he was on top of Zimmerman wailing away on him.

That seems totally consistent with the facts.

They struggle, gun goes off one time, Martin stops fighting.

Zimmerman had his hands free enough to take the gun out his holster and deliver a near perfect shot to Martin's chest which killed him instantly.

That doesn't sound like he was blacking out or near death.

So you consider hitting the "near perfect shot" from inches away an accomplishment.....?
Do you think before you type? Or maybe you're just a really bad shot.

Or maybe he identifies with Trayvon because he's a low class hoodlum who has beaten people's heads into the grounds too.
Or maybe he has no familiarity with guns whatsoever.

 

[jon_berzerk]

This has got to be a desperation out of options witness.

looks that way

this guy testified at the fyre hearing

 

[Sallow]

Zimmerman had his hands free enough to take the gun out his holster and deliver a near perfect shot to Martin's chest which killed him instantly.

That doesn't sound like he was blacking out or near death.

So you consider hitting the "near perfect shot" from inches away an accomplishment.....?
Do you think before you type? Or maybe you're just a really bad shot.

Or maybe he identifies with Trayvon because he's a low class hoodlum who has beaten people's heads into the grounds too.Or maybe he has no familiarity with guns whatsoever.

Yep..and like Trayvon?

I never killed anyone.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I don't think he's going to be able to talk about the scream and couldn't ID either.

So... um...

Maybe the state is at the end here - ?? Bottom of the barrel, making up shit.

they have a little more

 

[testarosa]

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

What's the point of Hiro?

He couldn't ID the scream on the call.

^^^point^^^​

Well that would mean the state is throwing paint against the wall and wants it both ways.

Owens - quack "CAN ID"
Hiro - CAN'T ID

Eh?