The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[TemplarKormac]

Even if he was, having a moron following him with a gun is what has created the problem.

This isn't some uncivilized country where thieves have their hands cut off for stealing and certainly not one where you a stupid cowboy like Zimmerman decides who lives and who dies.

Sanford isn't Tombstone.

So let me get this straight...you admit that it's possible that Martin was looking around the neighborhood with the intention of stealing something (hence his rather circuitous path which is strange considering the weather that night) but that Zimmerman is in the wrong for reporting it and trying to keep him in sight until the Police arrive? So you're basically against the concept of a Neighborhood Watch because that infringes on the rights of people who are contemplating committing a crime?

If only Zimmerman had done that instead of stalking and killing Trayvon.

I am wholly convinced that you aren't even watching the trial. The fact remains that this kid absentmindedly attacked a man packing heat.

 

[MarcATL]

Zimmerman's lawyer tried to put the word "slamming" on Dr. Rao, she swiftly corrected him and presented the word "impact."

This is gonna be a good movie when it comes out.

 

[Redfish]

I'd like to see the Zimmerman supporters try to debunk her now.

Could she use her law degree to tell me how significant the injuries need to be for someone can lawfully claim self-defense?

The question at hand here is did Zimmerman lie or tell the truth.

It's clear he was lying. The fact that you don't want to address that BLATANT question and issue tells me your motives and your biases.

will you accept the decision of the jury, or will you go out and burn your city if it doesn't go the way you want?

BTW, if the jury finds GZ guilty I will not burn anything.

 

[Edgetho]

That he is..

What's sick is little shits like you not even caring one bit about whether or not Zimmerman is guilty or innocent.

All you know is that you want him convicted. You don't care how, you don't care if he's guilty under the Laws of the State of Florida or not, all you care about is blood.

You were the same jerks screaming for the heads of the Duke LaCrosse players.

You and people like you are despicable excuses for human beings.

Hitler would have been proud as you released the cyanide capsules into the gas chambers filled with Jews.

You are just ridiculous. I think YOU are the one with a thinking problem. I know that I want Zimmerman convicted because he IS guilty. Why didn't he just get in his car with his loaded gun and go to Target like he was supposed to?? Oh, that's right, he saw someone that was suspicious. His definition of suspicious.

Then convict him of not going to Target, stupid.

What happened after that is that Trayvon went all Ghetto on Z and got his punk gangsta ass shot off.

Sucks to be stupid.

 

[asaratis]

So if somebody's head is repeatedly slammed against concrete with great force, I would expect lacerations, I would expect a lot of injury that would bleed profusely, that would necessitate suturing and so I don't see that in this picture.

I'd like to see the Zimmerman supporters try to debunk her now.

You're using semantics and connotations of words to argue against the FACT that Zimmerman's head (the back of his head) was forced to collide with something hard. Whether it was slammed, smashed, pushed, driven, pounded or otherwise forced into contact with the cement....Trayvon did it.

You (and the obviously unenlightened (regarding the various connotations of words used by others to describe happenings that can be subject to opinion) are deliberately confusing the issue in a vain attempt to prove that Trayvon did not hurt George.

 

[pioneerpete]

I'd like to see the Zimmerman supporters try to debunk her now.

Could she use her law degree to tell me how significant the injuries need to be for someone can lawfully claim self-defense?

The question at hand here is did Zimmerman lie or tell the truth.

It's clear he was lying. The fact that you don't want to address that BLATANT question and issue tells me your motives and your biases.

Did he claim a brain hemorrhage or something that I am not aware of? Did he give a statement that gave medical terms? How could he be lying?

 

[Snookie]

People copying my avie with fake pictures...funny...they wont put their real mugs up there...wonder why? Must be those creeeeeepy internet fellas, huh? GZ following...not creepy...showing their real face on the internet...creeeeeeepy?

I mean if you guys are gonna do it, then do it...dont be shy...we wont laugh...promise.

Who copied your avi? You copied mine, asshole! You were asked why and refused to answer. You claim you have some magical smoking gun, but won't reveal it and challenge MY mental capacity, thought you don't appear to be much smarter than my left shoe.

Is that your motorcycle? Why would anyone in their right mind use their own picture for an avatar? An avatar is a graphical representation of a user or a user's alter ego or character.

Sh!t I wish someone would have said that before I put the ducks up.

Ducks be cool.

 

[Missourian]

Z said that after he shot TM that TM sat up and said "You got me".

A medical expert said that TM was killed instantly.

Z be telling zombie stories.

Reply? Or ignore?

I believe, and I'm not certain, but believe that getting more or less a puncture wound though your body causes "instantaneous death".

Only a massive brain injury or a brain stem injury would do that...

...and maybe electrocution.

But, in my non-medical opinion, getting fatally shot in the chest would not preclude a final vocalization.

Through the heart causes immediate death. BTW, the heart is in your chest, fyi.

Not true.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Verdana]As you treat the victim, bear in mind that almost 70% of gunshot victims survive. While victims who suffer gunshot wounds to the head or heart may succumb quickly, most will recover from wounds to other parts of the body.

How to Survive Being Shot - Part II: Bleeding
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[asaratis]

Zimmerman's lawyer tried to put the word "slamming" on Dr. Rao, she swiftly corrected him and presented the word "impact."

This is gonna be a good movie when it comes out.

That depends on what the definition of "is" is.

 

[Redfish]

I don't know.

However, would you admit now that Zimmerman was lying?

Bullshit, you just want him convicted because he is a "white" hispanic, just like you wanted OJ acquited because he is a rich famous black man.

This is all about racial "getting even". if GZ was black you would not give a shit abou this case---------and you know it.

Why did Zimmerman LIE about his injuries Redfish?

Can you answer that?

He did not lie about his injuries. where have you been?

 

[Sarah G]

Another thing that ought to be noted is that George Zimmerman didn't have to obey the voice on the other line. It had no binding.

The voice on the other end of the line was not ordering him to do anything. The rules he did have to follow were the rules he was given when he was being trained to do the block watch. You don't follow people you feel are suspicious. You don't get to question anyone asking things like what are you doing around here.

He should have been calling the police which he did but now there are questions about profiling.

He killed the kid after profiling and stalking him and it shouldn't be too hard for the jury to figure it all out.

This whole concept that there is a rule that you don't follow someone who is suspicious is nonsense. The Police advise citizens not to do so because they put themselves at risk. If the Police DID advise Neighborhood Watch members to follow suspects then they could be held liable if something happened to that Neighborhood Watch member. That is why they advise that you don't confront suspects or try to
physically detain them.

When Mr. Goode came out of his condo to try and break up the fight he COULD have interceded and pulled the man on top off of the man on the bottom. That isn't something that the Police would EVER advise however. Why? Because if they did...then they could be held liable if something were to happen to Goode. I guarantee you that the "official" position on an ongoing fight is that you should wait for the Police to show up and not take action by yourself. They're going to tell you that because their attorneys have drilled it into heads of law enforcement not to expose themselves to potential lawsuits.

Does that make not intervening the right thing to do? No...I'm sorry but it doesn't. There are times when the right thing to do is step in and break up a fight before someone gets hurt.

Now the official position on following someone you think may be contemplating a crime is to not do so. But the question you need to ask is whether that position is based on what is "right" or what protects the City from a lawsuit.

The person who was a liason between the police and block watch had actual training booklets where it was stated that you don't follow suspicious people. You simply call the police and let them handle it.

 

[MarcATL]

There is no level of injuries that are required under state law. GZ says he was in fear for his life. All the evidence supports that. So no I don't believe he is lying. Although, he is a semi-white person accused of killing a black person, so he is more than likely a devil.

The liar CLAIMED that his head was slammed repeatedly on the concrete, his friend and buddy, further added to the lie by claiming Trayvon sat on him and commeneced to a "ground and pound" the likes he sees on MMA.

The Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Rao, just totally DEBUNKED that swill.

Who's lying?

Why can't you admit that Zimmerman was lying?

his nose was broken, his head was bleeding in several places, he was screaming for help. Do you think he felt in danger for his life? Plus TM was bigger and stronger and he was on top.

Nice story, here's another.

A few years ago, I was waiting for a red light to turn green, there was a car in front of me, I was on my cell phone texting. I thought the light was green and a hit my gas. I tapped the car in front of me.

The driver, a female, came out the car CLAIMING her back was hurting like never before, she was almost wailing.

The cop that came ended up dismissing me and dealt with the matter after giving me a ticket.

Clearly the woman was making crap up, as I barely tapped her car, there was not even a dent.

Morale of the story is, Zimmerman can CLAIM anything, including yelling like a banshee...that doesn't make his injuries any more real.

Furthermore, the matter of WHO was screaming has not yet been established, yet you're using that as some sort of fact.

It's clear where you stand.

 

[R.D.]

Someone hep me.

She didn't do the autopsy....

Um.

Wut?

Is she being called because she Angela Corey's friend?

She doesn't understand what protrusion means

She thinks he has a crooked head

She says bruising happens immediately

So, yes I'm guessing Corey's new bff

 

[Snookie]

I believe, and I'm not certain, but believe that getting more or less a puncture wound though your body causes "instantaneous death".

Only a massive brain injury or a brain stem injury would do that...

...and maybe electrocution.

But, in my non-medical opinion, getting fatally shot in the chest would not preclude a final vocalization.

Through the heart causes immediate death. BTW, the heart is in your chest, fyi.

Not true.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial,Verdana]As you treat the victim, bear in mind that almost 70% of gunshot victims survive. While victims who suffer gunshot wounds to the head or heart may succumb quickly, most will recover from wounds to other parts of the body.

How to Survive Being Shot - Part II: Bleeding
[/FONT][/FONT]​

The part of his heart that was destroyed causes immediate death.

 

[MarcATL]

Bullshit, you just want him convicted because he is a "white" hispanic, just like you wanted OJ acquited because he is a rich famous black man.

This is all about racial "getting even". if GZ was black you would not give a shit abou this case---------and you know it.

Why did Zimmerman LIE about his injuries Redfish?

Can you answer that?

He did not lie about his injuries. where have you been?

The Chief Medical Examiner's testimony does NOT match Zimmerman's.

Do you agree?

 

[Missourian]

You dont have a shred of brain cells to comprehend it if I did...you dont think, dude...you are the dumb of the dumb in here...I tried to help you...youre hopeless.

Translation: No...not a single shred...not a mote, not a speck, not a molecule.

Oh, theres Mtwat...at first he doesnt want the bickering, now he participates in it...lol. which one is it?

You need to learn the definition of bickering.

Pointing out that your post is total deflection isn't bickering.


What it is is....
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...pointing out that your post is total deflection.

 

[pioneerpete]

The liar CLAIMED that his head was slammed repeatedly on the concrete, his friend and buddy, further added to the lie by claiming Trayvon sat on him and commeneced to a "ground and pound" the likes he sees on MMA.

The Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Rao, just totally DEBUNKED that swill.

Who's lying?

Why can't you admit that Zimmerman was lying?

his nose was broken, his head was bleeding in several places, he was screaming for help. Do you think he felt in danger for his life? Plus TM was bigger and stronger and he was on top.

Nice story, here's another.

A few years ago, I was waiting for a red light to turn green, there was a car in front of me, I was on my cell phone texting. I thought the light was green and a hit my gas. I tapped the car in front of me.

The driver, a female, came out the car CLAIMING her back was hurting like never before, she was almost wailing.

The cop that came ended up dismissing me and dealt with the matter after giving me a ticket.

Clearly the woman was making crap up, as I barely tapped her car, there was not even a dent.

Morale of the story is, Zimmerman can CLAIM anything, including yelling like a banshee...that doesn't make his injuries any more real.

Furthermore, the matter of WHO was screaming has not yet been established, yet you're using that as some sort of fact.

It's clear where you stand.

ME also said that TM also made GZ impact the concrete at least 3 times. Which is also confirmed by the only eye witness. She also said that there could have been more.

 

[testarosa]

Someone hep me.

She didn't do the autopsy....

Um.

Wut?

Is she being called because she Angela Corey's friend?

She doesn't understand what protrusion means

She thinks he has a crooked head

She says bruising happens immediately

So, yes I'm guessing Corey's new bff

Why didn't they call the one who did the autopsy instead of the BFF that READ THE REPORT?

This goes as Q) on my F'ed up things about this case list.

 

[MarcATL]

Could she use her law degree to tell me how significant the injuries need to be for someone can lawfully claim self-defense?

The question at hand here is did Zimmerman lie or tell the truth.

It's clear he was lying. The fact that you don't want to address that BLATANT question and issue tells me your motives and your biases.

Did he claim a brain hemorrhage or something that I am not aware of? Did he give a statement that gave medical terms? How could he be lying?

We have a cop that testified that he believes that Zimmerman exaggerated his injuries yesterday.

Today we have the Chief Medical Examiner stating that his injuries were insignificant.

Can you recount what Zimmerman's testimony of his injuries were please?

Thanks.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I appear to be using the standard criminal jury charge in Florida. In fact, I am. I even cited it in my earlier post.

You fail to grasp the meaning of the words you are quoting.

That's not on me. It's on you.

I gave you the exact wording of the law. You gave me a misinformed summary without a source. The only failure is your inattention to reality.

The exact wording of a statute that deals with a "minor" does not say what you seem to imagine it says.

I gave you the charge from the STANDARD charge book used by judges in Florida in criminal cases. I did give the source in the earlier post. Here it is again, genius. Standard Jury Instructions in Criminal Cases

My attention to reality is fine. Yours is not a problem of inattention to reality. It's just that you are sadly ignorant.

Section 782.07 (3) is NOT applicable to this case. Sorry you can't figure that out.

A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 - It can't be any clearer. That's the law. You are the ignorant one. The exact law trumps your hearsay.