The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Mertex]

lol,

Traydick want back to his place and then circled around to behind a bush. He then jumped on Zimmerman.

Except it has been shown there were no "bushes" close to where GZ said he was attacked!

Uh yeah, there were. Right side of the 'T' to the left of where Zimmerman passed as he was heading back to his vehicle. Remember now, it was dark, so it was easy to hide behind a bush. If you were watching the re-enactment video, you would have seen it. It was as clear as day.

Except there were no bushes. His story kept changing. Facts are facts.

[Posted at 7:50 a.m. ET] In an initial interview with police following the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman described a life-and-death struggle that began when the youth "jumped out from the bushes."
George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin attacked me ? This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Also of interest is the fact that this description directly contradicts Zimmerman’s prior claims that “[Trayvon] jumped out from the bushes.” There are no bushes Trayvon could have come out from, and Zimmerman never mentions the bushes again. But there is a bigger inconsistency with Zimmerman’s statement: as seen in the walkthrough video, Zimmerman’s claim that he “fell backwards” after Trayvon “sucker punched him” cannot be true.
The Defense?s Opening Statement Fails to Address George Zimmerman?s Contradicting Claims of How the Altercation with Trayvon Martin Started | The View From LL2

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Trayvon WAS a minor. He was just days past his 17th birthday. He was barely 17.

But that section still has no applicability to the Zimmerman prosecution.

Was there any sort of actual judicial ruling to that end or is this you stomping your foot and saying, 'cos I said so!'

 

[MarcATL]

We all know how the altercation "went down". The injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head prove that when he was knocked to the ground, his head landed on the concrete. He was sucker punched. Then as Zimmerman lie there helpless to blows, he has his nose broken. Next, he has his head repeatedly driven into the dog-walk, which results in the two lacerations you see. At some point during the fight Zimmerman tries to slide out from under Martin, but in doing so reveals his holster with the weapon inside. Martin reaches for (doesn't touch) Zimmerman's firearm, and utters the words "you're going to die tonight motherfucker!" at that point after hearing such a threat, Zimmerman acted in genuine fear for his life, pulled the gun out and fatally wounds the teenager.

It can't be any more precise than that (to this point).

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!


What a FANTASTIC story!!

Here's the one fingered victory salute!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpL6EIMShO4]Bush flipping the bird - YouTube[/ame]

Stfu you degenerate.

Thanks for presenting yet another reminder of how much of a buffoon Bush II was.

Very Presidential.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Except it has been shown there were no "bushes" close to where GZ said he was attacked!

Uh yeah, there were. Right side of the 'T' to the left of where Zimmerman passed as he was heading back to his vehicle. Remember now, it was dark, so it was easy to hide behind a bush. If you were watching the re-enactment video, you would have seen it. It was as clear as day.

Except there were no bushes. His story kept changing. Facts are facts.

[Posted at 7:50 a.m. ET] In an initial interview with police following the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman described a life-and-death struggle that began when the youth "jumped out from the bushes."
George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin attacked me ? This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Also of interest is the fact that this description directly contradicts Zimmerman’s prior claims that “[Trayvon] jumped out from the bushes.” There are no bushes Trayvon could have come out from, and Zimmerman never mentions the bushes again. But there is a bigger inconsistency with Zimmerman’s statement: as seen in the walkthrough video, Zimmerman’s claim that he “fell backwards” after Trayvon “sucker punched him” cannot be true.
The Defense?s Opening Statement Fails to Address George Zimmerman?s Contradicting Claims of How the Altercation with Trayvon Martin Started | The View From LL2

Can't deny what's in front of your eyes, Mert! THE JURY SAW THAT EXACT TAPE!

His testimony can change either which way, but it won't change what they saw. Please, you're actually making this easier for me.

 

[TemplarKormac]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!


What a FANTASTIC story!!

Here's the one fingered victory salute!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpL6EIMShO4]Bush flipping the bird - YouTube[/ame]

Stfu you degenerate.

Thanks for presenting yet another reminder of how much of a buffoon Bush II was.

Very Presidential.

At least you aren't having crippling orgasms over Trayvon Martin now. Oh I know! Bush did it!

 

[S.J.]

You can feel GZ is not credible, but at the end of the day evidence from a less than credible source is better than no evidence to the contrary.

Can any witness give testimony that TM didn't say you're going to die tonight mother fucker? Remember that this is the burden of the state to prove.

How is GZ not credible? Didn't the majority of the evidence corroborate his account?

Yes, the evidence and testimony confirms it was self defense. The racists who want his head on a stick for killing a punk just can't come to terms with that.

 

[pioneerpete]

You can feel GZ is not credible, but at the end of the day evidence from a less than credible source is better than no evidence to the contrary.

Can any witness give testimony that TM didn't say you're going to die tonight mother fucker? Remember that this is the burden of the state to prove.

How is GZ not credible? Didn't the majority of the evidence corroborate his account?

Just pointing out that resistance is useless. If the state can't disprove self-defense, case closed not guilty. Everything else at that point is meaningless. Nobody can prove beyond a reasonable doubt who threw the first punch, except GZ. Nobody can disprove beyond a reasonable doubt that TM didn't say "you're going to die tonight, mother fucker!", except GZ. At this point you have GZ's account along with physical evidence to back it, against no contradicting evidence at the main points.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Alicia Stanley

she knew the pre thug Trayvon

she included the affair time with tracy

and the couple of years that tracy was out the home

 

[TemplarKormac]

You can feel GZ is not credible, but at the end of the day evidence from a less than credible source is better than no evidence to the contrary.

Can any witness give testimony that TM didn't say you're going to die tonight mother fucker? Remember that this is the burden of the state to prove.

How is GZ not credible? Didn't the majority of the evidence corroborate his account?

Just pointing out that resistance is useless. If the state can't disprove self-defense, case closed not guilty. Everything else at that point is meaningless. Nobody can prove beyond a reasonable doubt who threw the first punch, except GZ. Nobody can disprove beyond a reasonable doubt that TM didn't say "you're going to die tonight, mother fucker!", except GZ. At this point you have GZ's account along with physical evidence to back it, against no contradicting evidence at the main points.

So we give GZ the benefit of the doubt here?

 

[Jackson]

Replaying those sordid liberal talking points again??

Who knows how the altercation went down. We know Z's attitude about TM (The "asshole" and "Fucking punk")...He didn't sound like the Welcome Wagon. I'm not taking Rachael's word on anything.

We all know how the altercation "went down". The injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head prove that when he was knocked to the ground, his head landed on the concrete. He was sucker punched. Then as Zimmerman lie there helpless to blows, he has his nose broken. Next, he has his head repeatedly driven into the dog-walk, which results in the two lacerations you see. At some point during the fight Zimmerman tries to slide out from under Martin, but in doing so reveals his holster with the weapon inside. Martin reaches for (doesn't touch) Zimmerman's firearm, and utters the words "you're going to die tonight motherfucker!" at that point after hearing such a threat, Zimmerman acted in genuine fear for his life, pulled the gun out and fatally wounds the teenager.

It can't be any more precise than that (to this point).

How did you feel about Jenteal's testimony? Bet you're not going to take it to the bank, are you? Just as I am not going to take Z's to the bank either. Both are self serving, and Jenteal's has more problems in hers that just that.

But, GZ is telling what he remembers, and what he couldn't remember, he filled in with what he thought probably happened. I will go with additional expert testimony and witness testimony.

Then decide what most likely happened.

 

[pioneerpete]

How is GZ not credible? Didn't the majority of the evidence corroborate his account?

Just pointing out that resistance is useless. If the state can't disprove self-defense, case closed not guilty. Everything else at that point is meaningless. Nobody can prove beyond a reasonable doubt who threw the first punch, except GZ. Nobody can disprove beyond a reasonable doubt that TM didn't say "you're going to die tonight, mother fucker!", except GZ. At this point you have GZ's account along with physical evidence to back it, against no contradicting evidence at the main points.

So we give GZ the benefit of the doubt here?

The Constitution gives him the benefit of the doubt. He is innocent, and doesn't have to prove it, until the state proves him guilty.

 

[westwall]

If the prosecution can do no better than what they have so far, he would be a fool to take the stand. The prosecutions case was weak from the beginning and they have done an exceptionally poor job of presenting what they had.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Who knows how the altercation went down. We know Z's attitude about TM (The "asshole" and "Fucking punk")...He didn't sound like the Welcome Wagon. I'm not taking Rachael's word on anything.

We all know how the altercation "went down". The injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head prove that when he was knocked to the ground, his head landed on the concrete. He was sucker punched. Then as Zimmerman lie there helpless to blows, he has his nose broken. Next, he has his head repeatedly driven into the dog-walk, which results in the two lacerations you see. At some point during the fight Zimmerman tries to slide out from under Martin, but in doing so reveals his holster with the weapon inside. Martin reaches for (doesn't touch) Zimmerman's firearm, and utters the words "you're going to die tonight motherfucker!" at that point after hearing such a threat, Zimmerman acted in genuine fear for his life, pulled the gun out and fatally wounds the teenager.

It can't be any more precise than that (to this point).

How did you feel about Jenteal's testimony? Bet you're not going to take it to the bank, are you? Just as I am not going to take Z's to the bank either. Both are self serving, and Jenteal's has more problems in hers that just that.

But, GZ is telling what he remembers, and what he couldn't remember, he filled in with what he thought probably happened. I will go with additional expert testimony and witness testimony.

Then decide what most likely happened.

Now you just moved the goalpoasts. You can't talk to me straight. GZ is telling them what he remembers, and a crapload of testimony and evidence corroborates his claim. Jeanteal was a belligerent girl, she was hostile towards both attorneys, and she absolutely made the prosecution look like idiots on national television. You are asserting that GZ has an ulterior motive, say race for example, by calling him "self-serving." Prove to me he was any of those things. No, "fucking punks" doesn't count.

 

[westwall]

He would be stupid if he does. However, I would love to hear what he has to say and HOW he says it.

Defendants should NEVER take the stand if they can avoid it.

Why not? They should get up there and defend themselves, and explain to the jury why they believed they had to shoot and kill someone.

Because we have a LEGAL system....not a justice system. If you're winning your case never, ever, risk the win.

 

[Mertex]

Uh yeah, there were. Right side of the 'T' to the left of where Zimmerman passed as he was heading back to his vehicle. Remember now, it was dark, so it was easy to hide behind a bush. If you were watching the re-enactment video, you would have seen it. It was as clear as day.

Except there were no bushes. His story kept changing. Facts are facts.

[Posted at 7:50 a.m. ET] In an initial interview with police following the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman described a life-and-death struggle that began when the youth "jumped out from the bushes."
George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin attacked me ? This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Also of interest is the fact that this description directly contradicts Zimmerman’s prior claims that “[Trayvon] jumped out from the bushes.” There are no bushes Trayvon could have come out from, and Zimmerman never mentions the bushes again. But there is a bigger inconsistency with Zimmerman’s statement: as seen in the walkthrough video, Zimmerman’s claim that he “fell backwards” after Trayvon “sucker punched him” cannot be true.
The Defense?s Opening Statement Fails to Address George Zimmerman?s Contradicting Claims of How the Altercation with Trayvon Martin Started | The View From LL2

Can't deny what's in front of your eyes, Mert! THE JURY SAW THAT EXACT TAPE!

There are no bushes!

His testimony can change either which way, but it won't change what they saw. Please, you're actually making this easier for me.

It's only easier for you because you have your mind locked in, can't accept the facts, GZ's re-enactment tape doesn't match his previous interviews. Maybe you need to pay attention.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Just pointing out that resistance is useless. If the state can't disprove self-defense, case closed not guilty. Everything else at that point is meaningless. Nobody can prove beyond a reasonable doubt who threw the first punch, except GZ. Nobody can disprove beyond a reasonable doubt that TM didn't say "you're going to die tonight, mother fucker!", except GZ. At this point you have GZ's account along with physical evidence to back it, against no contradicting evidence at the main points.

So we give GZ the benefit of the doubt here?

The Constitution gives him the benefit of the doubt. He is innocent, and doesn't have to prove it, until proven guilty.

beyond a reasonable doubt

unlike what the state has presented

 

[TemplarKormac]

Except there were no bushes. His story kept changing. Facts are facts.

[Posted at 7:50 a.m. ET] In an initial interview with police following the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman described a life-and-death struggle that began when the youth "jumped out from the bushes."
George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin attacked me ? This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Also of interest is the fact that this description directly contradicts Zimmerman’s prior claims that “[Trayvon] jumped out from the bushes.” There are no bushes Trayvon could have come out from, and Zimmerman never mentions the bushes again. But there is a bigger inconsistency with Zimmerman’s statement: as seen in the walkthrough video, Zimmerman’s claim that he “fell backwards” after Trayvon “sucker punched him” cannot be true.
The Defense?s Opening Statement Fails to Address George Zimmerman?s Contradicting Claims of How the Altercation with Trayvon Martin Started | The View From LL2

Can't deny what's in front of your eyes, Mert! THE JURY SAW THAT EXACT TAPE!

There are no bushes!

His testimony can change either which way, but it won't change what they saw. Please, you're actually making this easier for me.

It's only easier for you because you have your mind locked in, can't accept the facts, GZ's re-enactment tape doesn't match his previous interviews. Maybe you need to pay attention.

LMAO! You never watched the video! Omg mert!!! There were multiple times the bushes came into view in that video! Holy sweet Moses you are denser than a black hole!

His inconsistent testimony vs. Multiple witnesses called by the state that had some if not more major inconsistencies in their testimonies than Zimmerman. Take your pick hotshot. Be reminded you can't make a case on perceived inconsistencies. You can build one on the ones you see before your very eyes.

 

[Jackson]

You can feel GZ is not credible, but at the end of the day evidence from a less than credible source is better than no evidence to the contrary.

Can any witness give testimony that TM didn't say you're going to die tonight mother fucker? Remember that this is the burden of the state to prove.

How is GZ not credible? Didn't the majority of the evidence corroborate his account?

One piece of evidence is all that is needed to prove Z is not credible, I guess. He said, after he shot TM, He got on top of his back and spread out his arms and held them until someone came. When the police came TM's arms were beneath him. How did they get beneath him if he was dead?

 

[Esmeralda]

A medical examiner has testified that Zimmerman's wounds were "insignificant" and not "life threatening." That they were consistent with being punched in the face once and hitting his head on the pavement once. Probable scenerio, imo, he reached for either his gun or cell phone, Tryvon thought he was reaching for a gun and knocked him down. Trayvon was defending himself. Which he had every right to do. All along, Zimmerman did not say who he was or why he was there; Trayvon had every right to be in fear and to defend himself. In any case, the law that Zimmerman is using for self defense says deadly force is only allowed if your life is in imminent danger or if you are in imminent danger of great bodily harm: neither of which was the case. His injuries were INSIGNIFICANT.

(SANFORD, Fla.) -- A medical examiner who reviewed video and photographs of George Zimmerman's injuries suffered during his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin called the neighborhood watch captain's wounds "insignificant" and "non-life threatening."

Dr. Valerie Rao testified that Zimmerman was struck as few as three times by Martin during the fight that night. She also asserted his head may have only been slammed on the concrete a single time. Zimmerman, who faces second-degree murder charges for the death of the unarmed teenager, said Martin repeatedly slammed his head on the concrete.

"Are the injuries on the back of the defendant's head consistent with one strike against a concrete surface?" asked prosecutor John Guy.

"Yes," Rao said.

"And why do you say that?" asked Guy.

"Because if you hit the head one time, it is consistent with having gotten those two injuries at that one time," she testified.

Rao's testimony could contradict Zimmerman's assertion that he was involved in a potentially life-threatening struggle with the Florida teenager.

Zimmerman, 29, claims he shot Martrin, 17, in self defense on Feb. 26, 2012 as Martin repeatedly banged his head against the pavement and reached for Zimmerman's gun.

"If you look at the injuries they are so minor they are not consistent with grave force," Rao said. "If somebody's head is banged with grave force I would expect a lot of injuries. I don't see that."

During the defense's cross examination of Rao, Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara got Rao to concede that his client's injuries could have been caused by more than three impacts. She also indicated that abrasions on Martin's knuckles were consistent with him striking someone.

Copyright 2013 ABC News Radio

 

[pioneerpete]

You can feel GZ is not credible, but at the end of the day evidence from a less than credible source is better than no evidence to the contrary.

Can any witness give testimony that TM didn't say you're going to die tonight mother fucker? Remember that this is the burden of the state to prove.

How is GZ not credible? Didn't the majority of the evidence corroborate his account?

One piece of evidence is all that is needed to prove Z is not credible, I guess. He said, after he shot TM, He got on top of his back and spread out his arms and held them until someone came. When the police came TM's arms were beneath him. How did they get beneath him if he was dead?

When the defense actually starts their case (they haven't yet, these are all state witnesses) they will call a medical doctor that says that TM moved his hands before he died. He did not die as soon as he was shot. He actually died from collapsed lungs because they filled with 2 pints of blood. In order for someone of TM size to die from blood loss the norm would be 3 pints. Thus he didn't die immediately.