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That's a lie. The 1986 Kellerman study, the source of the famous "43 to 1" ratio, is deceptive in several ways. The basis for comparison in this study is the ratio of "firearm-related deaths" of household members vs. deaths of criminals killed in the home (justifiable homicides). The "firearm-related deaths" in the study include suicides and accidents, neither of which are randomly distributed throughout the population, as the 43 to 1 "risk ratio" would imply. Both suicides and accidents are more likely to occur in specific categories of people than they are in the general population. Of the 398 "firearm-related deaths" included in the study, the vast majority (333, or, 84%) were suicides. The number of fatal firearms accidents in the study was 12 (or 3% of the studied deaths). Since sometimes a "gun cleaning accident" is actually a suicide reported under a name less likely to deny payment from a life insurance company, there may in fact have been even fewer accidents than are apparent from the reporting. When only the criminal homicides are considered, rather than including suicides and accidents, the "43 to 1" ratio disappears, and the ratio is far less dramatic, more like "4.5 to 1". There were 41 criminal homicides reported in the Kellerman study, and 9 instances of justifiable or self-defense homicide. People who are violent, unbalanced, or involved in a life of crime are much more likely to use their home gun unwisely, and their chances of using it to harm another (or themselves) are higher than would be expected for the majority of the population.
You used deceptive information numbnuts.Thank you much for the NRA Mantra on Kellerman, but the number still stands. A gun in the home is far more dangerous to those in the home than a bad guy.
I know two people who committed suicide by gun. If a gun hadn't been available, they might well be with us still.
You used deceptive information numbnuts.
Dumbass they would have killed themselves one way or another. I had a high school class mate that made his one shot firearm and killed himself back in 1979. And his family didn't have any guns in the home
No I went back that far because that was from personal experience. I've seen people kill themselves with drugs, blades, poisons, jumping from bridges jumping from top of buildings, cars, suicide by cop. it's very common. But do keep using that fake data and I'll keep embarrassing your assThat you had to go back to 1979 to find an example shows how rare that was.
No I went back that far because that was from personal experience. I've seen people kill themselves with drugs, blades, poisons, jumping from bridges jumping from top of buildings, cars, suicide by cop. it's very common. But do keep using that fake data and I'll keep embarrassing your ass
Yes the 43 number came from the Kellerman study. And is deceptive.Except it's not fake data. A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.
Now, true they could take drugs, but with drugs, you can rush them to a hospital and get their stomach pumped. You can patch up a knife wound. A gun suicide is almost always fatal.
Or they could have jumped off a bridge.Thank you much for the NRA Mantra on Kellerman, but the number still stands. A gun in the home is far more dangerous to those in the home than a bad guy.
I know two people who committed suicide by gun. If a gun hadn't been available, they might well be with us still.
