The Political View of Abortion

[Dragonlady]

Why don't you speak to Him about it?

While you're at it, ask Him why you're so very dumb.

I have. He told me that if He didn't agree with terminating pregnancies, He would have made sure that women couldn't abort. And he would have said something about it in the 10 Commandments, or the Bible.

Prohibition on abortion has NOTHING to do with the unborn and everything to do with controlling women and punishing their sexuality.

If you think abortion is wrong - don't have one. But stop trying to inflict your narrow-minded religious obsessions on the rest of us. We have the right to our freedom and our beliefs and YOU have no right to try to inflict your religion on the rest of us.

You are impugning my religious freedom with your bullshit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. "The first fallacy of your argument is that those who wrote the Constitution were modern conservatives."

The first problem in your post is a failure to understand that the classical liberal is the earlier term....today they would be known as conservatives.
Conservative philosophy is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
This defines the Founders.


2. "...therefore the government cannot restrict abortion in any way because they are not mandated by the Constitution to deal with this issue. The government has no right to impede, restrict, or hinder a woman's right to determine what happens to her own body."

You are very close to being correct in the above.
It was an erroneous decision by the Supreme Court to decide based on an imaginary right.
But...had you said that the states can decide the issue of abortion, I would agree.


3. " ...nothing in the Constitution recognizes that life begins at conception."
But the Constitution has no purview as to when life begins.

Unfortunate that you don't realize that.

So, it seems that between the two of us, the failures are yours.

Don't you agree?

Privacy is not an imaginary right. Having an abortion is a private personal/medical matter unless you can find civil rights for the fetus in the Constitution;

those fetal rights are what are imaginary, constitutionally.

Either it is in the text of the Constitution or in the form of an amendment.

Otherwise.....imaginary.

Do you remember making the statement below, last week?

NYcarbineer: Where do you find the right to homeschool in the Constitution?

PoliticalChic: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

See if you can guess which amendment this is.

So, given what you said today and what you said last week, in which case were you wrong?

Unenumerated rights are imaginary, or rights don't have to be enumerated to exist?

You have to pick one or the other; it can't be both.

Your penchant for trying to change your own rules to fit your wacky agenda might be part of the reason your agenda is in fact wacky.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ooling-a-fundamental-right-7.html#post6935134

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why don't you speak to Him about it?

While you're at it, ask Him why you're so very dumb.

I have. He told me that if He didn't agree with terminating pregnancies, He would have made sure that women couldn't abort. And he would have said something about it in the 10 Commandments, or the Bible.

Prohibition on abortion has NOTHING to do with the unborn and everything to do with controlling women and punishing their sexuality.

If you think abortion is wrong - don't have one. But stop trying to inflict your narrow-minded religious obsessions on the rest of us. We have the right to our freedom and our beliefs and YOU have no right to try to inflict your religion on the rest of us.

You are impugning my religious freedom with your bullshit.

I think killing innocent human beings is wrong.

It that alright with you?

 

[Dragonlady]

1. Factors associated with population decline include urbanization, education and literacy, modernization.

a. Children had an economic value in a traditional, agricultural society. Pension systems turned children into a cost rather providers for the elderly.

b. Female literacy is a powerful predictor of population decline. Literate and affluent women have one or two children, not six or eight. The determination between one, or two, is often religious faith: the industrial world’s lowest fertility rates are found among the Eastern European nations where atheism was the official ideology for generations. The highest rates are associated with nations such as the United States and Israel, with relatively high religious populations. Where faith goes, fertility vanishes. This is not to say that all faiths are equal in this regard: the fastest decline is taking place in Muslim countries.
“How Civilizations Die,” by David P. Goldman


2. The secularism that our world offers as the alternative to religion exposes the emptiness, and the lack of fecundity that it proposes.

a. “The weakest link in the secular account of human nature is that it fails to account for people’s powerful desire to seek immortality for themselves and their loved ones,” so says sociologist Eric Kaufman, in “Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth? Demography and Politics in the Twenty-First Century,” p. 19.

I have news for you, Cookie. This stuff is bullshit. These are the theories of two wingnuts who have never bothered to read population reports. The population of the world is expanding - rapidly. We are not on the verge of a population implosion. Humans are in absolutely no danger of dying out.

When women had large families, fewer children lived to adulthood. There was no penicillin so infections and diseases like Scarlet Fever, dyptheria, and and other illnesses which are now easily treatable, were often fatal. There was no social security, no pensions, nothing to help you along in your old age. If you had no children, there was no one to care for you in your old age. It was necessary to have enough children to ensure someone would be there for you.

It is true that as women become educated, the have fewer children. Education of women is also the best indicator of a prosperous society. And Joe is right. Most children now live to be adults, so much so that now when parents lose a child, it is a rare and sad occurence.

Your reliance on the most useless of sources is just astounding. How do find this shit?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Factors associated with population decline include urbanization, education and literacy, modernization.

a. Children had an economic value in a traditional, agricultural society. Pension systems turned children into a cost rather providers for the elderly.

b. Female literacy is a powerful predictor of population decline. Literate and affluent women have one or two children, not six or eight. The determination between one, or two, is often religious faith: the industrial world’s lowest fertility rates are found among the Eastern European nations where atheism was the official ideology for generations. The highest rates are associated with nations such as the United States and Israel, with relatively high religious populations. Where faith goes, fertility vanishes. This is not to say that all faiths are equal in this regard: the fastest decline is taking place in Muslim countries.
“How Civilizations Die,” by David P. Goldman


2. The secularism that our world offers as the alternative to religion exposes the emptiness, and the lack of fecundity that it proposes.

a. “The weakest link in the secular account of human nature is that it fails to account for people’s powerful desire to seek immortality for themselves and their loved ones,” so says sociologist Eric Kaufman, in “Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth? Demography and Politics in the Twenty-First Century,” p. 19.

I have news for you, Cookie. This stuff is bullshit. These are the theories of two wingnuts who have never bothered to read population reports. The population of the world is expanding - rapidly. We are not on the verge of a population implosion. Humans are in absolutely no danger of dying out.

When women had large families, fewer children lived to adulthood. There was no penicillin so infections and diseases like Scarlet Fever, dyptheria, and and other illnesses which are now easily treatable, were often fatal. There was no social security, no pensions, nothing to help you along in your old age. If you had no children, there was no one to care for you in your old age. It was necessary to have enough children to ensure someone would be there for you.

It is true that as women become educated, the have fewer children. Education of women is also the best indicator of a prosperous society. And Joe is right. Most children now live to be adults, so much so that now when parents lose a child, it is a rare and sad occurence.

Your reliance on the most useless of sources is just astounding. How do find this shit?

" How do find this shit?"

Gee....not only did my criticism of your post bring out the vulgarity....but it seems you've lost the ability to use correct English, as well.


Sorry to make you so nervous....

...and, that's Ms. Cookie to you....


And, it turns out you don't know what you're talking about:

Current projections show a continued increase in population in the near future (but a steady decline in the population growth rate), with the global population expected to reach between 7.5 and 10.5 billion by 2050.


"About That Overpopulation Problem
Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years."
World population may actually start declining, not exploding. - Slate Magazine


"But it turns out the world’s population isn’t growing nearly as fast as it once did. In fact, experts say the rate of population growth will continue to slow and that the total population will eventually — likely within our lifetimes — fall."

Read more: Baby Bust: Is the World's Population Actually Declining? | TIME.com




"Your reliance on the most useless of sources is just astounding. "
Now, if that were the case, I'd be coming to you for information, wouldn't I?

 

[lukelk]

Privacy is not an imaginary right. Having an abortion is a private personal/medical matter unless you can find civil rights for the fetus in the Constitution;

those fetal rights are what are imaginary, constitutionally.

Either it is in the text of the Constitution or in the form of an amendment.

Otherwise.....imaginary.

Do you remember making the statement below, last week?

NYcarbineer: Where do you find the right to homeschool in the Constitution?

PoliticalChic: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

See if you can guess which amendment this is.

So, given what you said today and what you said last week, in which case were you wrong?

Unenumerated rights are imaginary, or rights don't have to be enumerated to exist?

You have to pick one or the other; it can't be both.

Your penchant for trying to change your own rules to fit your wacky agenda might be part of the reason your agenda is in fact wacky.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ooling-a-fundamental-right-7.html#post6935134

NY this "chick" is a fucking fool, she can take her KKK politics back to the boonies and live a happy yet stupid life.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Privacy is not an imaginary right. Having an abortion is a private personal/medical matter unless you can find civil rights for the fetus in the Constitution;

those fetal rights are what are imaginary, constitutionally.

Either it is in the text of the Constitution or in the form of an amendment.

Otherwise.....imaginary.

Do you remember making the statement below, last week?

NYcarbineer: Where do you find the right to homeschool in the Constitution?

PoliticalChic: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

See if you can guess which amendment this is.

So, given what you said today and what you said last week, in which case were you wrong?

Unenumerated rights are imaginary, or rights don't have to be enumerated to exist?

You have to pick one or the other; it can't be both.

Your penchant for trying to change your own rules to fit your wacky agenda might be part of the reason your agenda is in fact wacky.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ooling-a-fundamental-right-7.html#post6935134

It's hardly a case of me being incorrect....rather it is your lack of comprehension based on your loving acceptance of big government propaganda.


Neither homeschooling nor abortion are the province of the federal government.


Sadly, neither is indoctrinating you...but they've taken over in that area as well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Either it is in the text of the Constitution or in the form of an amendment.

Otherwise.....imaginary.

Do you remember making the statement below, last week?

NYcarbineer: Where do you find the right to homeschool in the Constitution?

PoliticalChic: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

See if you can guess which amendment this is.

So, given what you said today and what you said last week, in which case were you wrong?

Unenumerated rights are imaginary, or rights don't have to be enumerated to exist?

You have to pick one or the other; it can't be both.

Your penchant for trying to change your own rules to fit your wacky agenda might be part of the reason your agenda is in fact wacky.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ooling-a-fundamental-right-7.html#post6935134

NY this "chick" is a fucking fool, she can take her KKK politics back to the boonies and live a happy yet stupid life.

Another brilliant and insightful post from the Left.

And so we see another example of government schooling.

 

[lukelk]

Either it is in the text of the Constitution or in the form of an amendment.

Otherwise.....imaginary.

Do you remember making the statement below, last week?

NYcarbineer: Where do you find the right to homeschool in the Constitution?

PoliticalChic: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

See if you can guess which amendment this is.

So, given what you said today and what you said last week, in which case were you wrong?

Unenumerated rights are imaginary, or rights don't have to be enumerated to exist?

You have to pick one or the other; it can't be both.

Your penchant for trying to change your own rules to fit your wacky agenda might be part of the reason your agenda is in fact wacky.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ooling-a-fundamental-right-7.html#post6935134

It's hardly a case of me being incorrect....rather it is your lack of comprehension based on your loving acceptance of big government propaganda.


Neither homeschooling nor abortion are the province of the federal government.


Sadly, neither is indoctrinating you...but they've taken over in that area as well.

where is your white sheet? oh wait you keep your identity a secret using online forums. GO HOME, you kkk piece of shit.

 

[lukelk]

Do you remember making the statement below, last week?

NYcarbineer: Where do you find the right to homeschool in the Constitution?

PoliticalChic: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

See if you can guess which amendment this is.

So, given what you said today and what you said last week, in which case were you wrong?

Unenumerated rights are imaginary, or rights don't have to be enumerated to exist?

You have to pick one or the other; it can't be both.

Your penchant for trying to change your own rules to fit your wacky agenda might be part of the reason your agenda is in fact wacky.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ooling-a-fundamental-right-7.html#post6935134

NY this "chick" is a fucking fool, she can take her KKK politics back to the boonies and live a happy yet stupid life.

Another brilliant and insightful post from the Left.

And so we see another example of government schooling.

you like to quote Ann Coulter and you are trying to poke fun at me, hahahhahaa hope the front of the bus is nice

 

[PoliticalChic]

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The above could only have been written by someone who knows nothing about demographics.


Enter Erroneous Joe, state Left.


1. Factors associated with population decline include urbanization, education and literacy, modernization.

a. Children had an economic value in a traditional, agricultural society. Pension systems turned children into a cost rather providers for the elderly.

b. Female literacy is a powerful predictor of population decline. Literate and affluent women have one or two children, not six or eight. The determination between one, or two, is often religious faith: the industrial world’s lowest fertility rates are found among the Eastern European nations where atheism was the official ideology for generations. The highest rates are associated with nations such as the United States and Israel, with relatively high religious populations. Where faith goes, fertility vanishes. This is not to say that all faiths are equal in this regard: the fastest decline is taking place in Muslim countries.
“How Civilizations Die,” by David P. Goldman


2. The secularism that our world offers as the alternative to religion exposes the emptiness, and the lack of fecundity that it proposes.

a. “The weakest link in the secular account of human nature is that it fails to account for people’s powerful desire to seek immortality for themselves and their loved ones,” so says sociologist Eric Kaufman, in “Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth? Demography and Politics in the Twenty-First Century,” p. 19.

Wow, do you really think stringing big words together constitutes an argument.

Okay. Simple math. The world population was 2 Billion at the beginning of the 20th century.

Today, it is 7 billion. It has increased 250% in a little over a century.

The planet can barely support 7 billion people.

Religious idiots telling us that not getting this problem under control need to be dragged out and exposed for the dangerous frauds they are.

Here ya' go, Erroneous,...from post #145:


Current projections show a continued increase in population in the near future (but a steady decline in the population growth rate), with the global population expected to reach between 7.5 and 10.5 billion by 2050.


"About That Overpopulation Problem
Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years."
World population may actually start declining, not exploding. - Slate Magazine


"But it turns out the world’s population isn’t growing nearly as fast as it once did. In fact, experts say the rate of population growth will continue to slow and that the total population will eventually — likely within our lifetimes — fall."

Read more: Baby Bust: Is the World's Population Actually Declining? | TIME.com



But worry not....I have no expectation of you learning....'cause then you wouldn't be 'erroneous.'

 

[lukelk]

[


The above could only have been written by someone who knows nothing about demographics.


Enter Erroneous Joe, state Left.


1. Factors associated with population decline include urbanization, education and literacy, modernization.

a. Children had an economic value in a traditional, agricultural society. Pension systems turned children into a cost rather providers for the elderly.

b. Female literacy is a powerful predictor of population decline. Literate and affluent women have one or two children, not six or eight. The determination between one, or two, is often religious faith: the industrial world’s lowest fertility rates are found among the Eastern European nations where atheism was the official ideology for generations. The highest rates are associated with nations such as the United States and Israel, with relatively high religious populations. Where faith goes, fertility vanishes. This is not to say that all faiths are equal in this regard: the fastest decline is taking place in Muslim countries.
“How Civilizations Die,” by David P. Goldman


2. The secularism that our world offers as the alternative to religion exposes the emptiness, and the lack of fecundity that it proposes.

a. “The weakest link in the secular account of human nature is that it fails to account for people’s powerful desire to seek immortality for themselves and their loved ones,” so says sociologist Eric Kaufman, in “Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth? Demography and Politics in the Twenty-First Century,” p. 19.

Wow, do you really think stringing big words together constitutes an argument.

Okay. Simple math. The world population was 2 Billion at the beginning of the 20th century.

Today, it is 7 billion. It has increased 250% in a little over a century.

The planet can barely support 7 billion people.

Religious idiots telling us that not getting this problem under control need to be dragged out and exposed for the dangerous frauds they are.

Here ya' go, Erroneous,...from post #145:


Current projections show a continued increase in population in the near future (but a steady decline in the population growth rate), with the global population expected to reach between 7.5 and 10.5 billion by 2050.


"About That Overpopulation Problem
Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years."
World population may actually start declining, not exploding. - Slate Magazine


"But it turns out the world’s population isn’t growing nearly as fast as it once did. In fact, experts say the rate of population growth will continue to slow and that the total population will eventually — likely within our lifetimes — fall."

Read more: Baby Bust: Is the World's Population Actually Declining? | TIME.com



But worry not....I have no expectation of you learning....'cause then you wouldn't be 'erroneous.'

come on Duke is calling for his wife to get in the kitchen, run home little girl, the KKK is about to hold a rally and its at your house

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow, do you really think stringing big words together constitutes an argument.

Okay. Simple math. The world population was 2 Billion at the beginning of the 20th century.

Today, it is 7 billion. It has increased 250% in a little over a century.

The planet can barely support 7 billion people.

Religious idiots telling us that not getting this problem under control need to be dragged out and exposed for the dangerous frauds they are.

Here ya' go, Erroneous,...from post #145:


Current projections show a continued increase in population in the near future (but a steady decline in the population growth rate), with the global population expected to reach between 7.5 and 10.5 billion by 2050.


"About That Overpopulation Problem
Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years."
World population may actually start declining, not exploding. - Slate Magazine


"But it turns out the world’s population isn’t growing nearly as fast as it once did. In fact, experts say the rate of population growth will continue to slow and that the total population will eventually — likely within our lifetimes — fall."

Read more: Baby Bust: Is the World's Population Actually Declining? | TIME.com



But worry not....I have no expectation of you learning....'cause then you wouldn't be 'erroneous.'

come on Duke is calling for his wife to get in the kitchen, run home little girl, the KKK is about to hold a rally and its at your house

This is all you've got?


Mentally qualified for handicapped parking.

 

[lukelk]

Here ya' go, Erroneous,...from post #145:


Current projections show a continued increase in population in the near future (but a steady decline in the population growth rate), with the global population expected to reach between 7.5 and 10.5 billion by 2050.


"About That Overpopulation Problem
Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years."
World population may actually start declining, not exploding. - Slate Magazine


"But it turns out the world’s population isn’t growing nearly as fast as it once did. In fact, experts say the rate of population growth will continue to slow and that the total population will eventually — likely within our lifetimes — fall."

Read more: Baby Bust: Is the World's Population Actually Declining? | TIME.com



But worry not....I have no expectation of you learning....'cause then you wouldn't be 'erroneous.'

come on Duke is calling for his wife to get in the kitchen, run home little girl, the KKK is about to hold a rally and its at your house

This is all you've got?


Mentally qualified for handicapped parking.

meh keep trying, lol keep lying the kkk wants their house bitch back, get a running

 

[Dragonlady]

I think killing innocent human beings is wrong.

It that alright with you?

You think what you want, but don't try to inflict your assinine beliefs on the rest of us. That impugns my religious freedom. If you think a fetus is a person, that is your right, but unless and until the child is born and breathing on it's own, it is not, by law, a person.

Stop trying to force us to accept that you're right or your beliefs should have consideration over the beliefs of others. If you want to live according to your principles, feel free to do so, but don't try to tell us that we can't live according to ours.

 

[lukelk]

I think killing innocent human beings is wrong.

It that alright with you?

You think what you want, but don't try to inflict your assinine beliefs on the rest of us. That impugns my religious freedom. If you think a fetus is a person, that is your right, but unless and until the child is born and breathing on it's own, it is not, by law, a person.

Stop trying to force us to accept that you're right or your beliefs should have consideration over the beliefs of others. If you want to live according to your principles, feel free to do so, but don't try to tell us that we can't live according to ours.

don't you know she is a KKK person, don't expect good or smart things to come from her.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Either it is in the text of the Constitution or in the form of an amendment.

Otherwise.....imaginary.

Do you remember making the statement below, last week?

NYcarbineer: Where do you find the right to homeschool in the Constitution?

PoliticalChic: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

See if you can guess which amendment this is.

So, given what you said today and what you said last week, in which case were you wrong?

Unenumerated rights are imaginary, or rights don't have to be enumerated to exist?

You have to pick one or the other; it can't be both.

Your penchant for trying to change your own rules to fit your wacky agenda might be part of the reason your agenda is in fact wacky.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ooling-a-fundamental-right-7.html#post6935134

It's hardly a case of me being incorrect....rather it is your lack of comprehension based on your loving acceptance of big government propaganda.


Neither homeschooling nor abortion are the province of the federal government.


Sadly, neither is indoctrinating you...but they've taken over in that area as well.

So last week you found the right to homeschool in the Ninth Amendment, but this week you can't find it,

all because your argument-of-the-week necessitates that the right of privacy cannot be found in the Constitution.

I'm just curious, did you manage to find the right of privacy in the Constitution for gun owners a few weeks ago when the topic was the publication of the names of New Yorkers with gun licenses?

 

[ima]

If you're against abortion then don't have one. Pretty simple really.

 

[lukelk]

Do you remember making the statement below, last week?

NYcarbineer: Where do you find the right to homeschool in the Constitution?

PoliticalChic: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

See if you can guess which amendment this is.

So, given what you said today and what you said last week, in which case were you wrong?

Unenumerated rights are imaginary, or rights don't have to be enumerated to exist?

You have to pick one or the other; it can't be both.

Your penchant for trying to change your own rules to fit your wacky agenda might be part of the reason your agenda is in fact wacky.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ooling-a-fundamental-right-7.html#post6935134

It's hardly a case of me being incorrect....rather it is your lack of comprehension based on your loving acceptance of big government propaganda.


Neither homeschooling nor abortion are the province of the federal government.


Sadly, neither is indoctrinating you...but they've taken over in that area as well.

So last week you found the right to homeschool in the Ninth Amendment, but this week you can't find it,

all because your argument-of-the-week necessitates that the right of privacy cannot be found in the Constitution.

I'm just curious, did you manage to find the right of privacy in the Constitution for gun owners a few weeks ago when the topic was the publication of the names of New Yorkers with gun licenses?

lol NY you can't argue logic with these silly KKK right wingers, it just doesn't work.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think killing innocent human beings is wrong.

It that alright with you?

You think what you want, but don't try to inflict your assinine beliefs on the rest of us. That impugns my religious freedom. If you think a fetus is a person, that is your right, but unless and until the child is born and breathing on it's own, it is not, by law, a person.

Stop trying to force us to accept that you're right or your beliefs should have consideration over the beliefs of others. If you want to live according to your principles, feel free to do so, but don't try to tell us that we can't live according to ours.

"....but don't try to tell "us" that we can't live according to ours."

I've always felt that folks who use 'us' and 'we' when the actually mean 'me' and 'I' are afraid to stand up by themselves.

Any truth to that?


BTW....52% of Americans want abortion legal only under certain circumstances.

28% want it legal under any circumstances, e.g., as birth control

Abortion




So...who is the "we" and the "us"?