The Pope takes back his Church

[martybegan]

The Pope’s admonishment of American conservatives, and his accurate assessment that conservative dogma is fundamentally dehumanizing, in conjunction with his statement concerning the Church’s new stance on social issues, likely marks the end of the alliance between the Catholic Church and the social right.

Parts of the "social right" didnt have much use for the Catholic Church to begin with, or have you never heard the term "papist" used in evengelical circles?

 

[Derideo_Te]

So it is the 5-10% profit margin that is the cause of the bankruptcy?

Should doctors accept a salary that bankrupts the family, should the nurses? the hospital staff?

Deflection from answering the question asked duly noted.

its not deflecting, its clarifying. And you obviously can't answer it.

Jesus would ask all involved to provide said service for free, but he also would render unto ceasar, and not force people to do it. It would be thier choice, something progressives only seem to tolerate when ti comes to abortions.

So your answer is that Jesus practices moral equivocation?

 

[martybegan]

Deflection from answering the question asked duly noted.

its not deflecting, its clarifying. And you obviously can't answer it.

Jesus would ask all involved to provide said service for free, but he also would render unto ceasar, and not force people to do it. It would be thier choice, something progressives only seem to tolerate when ti comes to abortions.

So your answer is that Jesus practices moral equivocation?

The answer is that your question is an appeal to emotion based on bad facts, and ingorance of the true costs of healthcare. here is a hint, it isnt the profit that is causing the problem.

I don't pretend to speak for Jesus. Ask him yourself what his position is.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What a shame.

The nations that are the most Socialist and practice government enforced redistribution are the world poorest.

The USA became the most prosperous nation on the planet because we tried something new and different and totally aligned with the teaching of Christ

Do you seriously believe that Jesus would condone making a profit off of a sick child that bankrupts a family?

Only if they kill the kids puppy first

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Pope Francis is the Catholic Obama

 

[Derideo_Te]

its not deflecting, its clarifying. And you obviously can't answer it.

Jesus would ask all involved to provide said service for free, but he also would render unto ceasar, and not force people to do it. It would be thier choice, something progressives only seem to tolerate when ti comes to abortions.

So your answer is that Jesus practices moral equivocation?

The answer is that your question is an appeal to emotion based on bad facts, and ingorance of the true costs of healthcare. here is a hint, it isnt the profit that is causing the problem.

I don't pretend to speak for Jesus. Ask him yourself what his position is.

And yet you were more than willing to use him to justify the unjustifiable when it comes to what CF called being "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ"?

Obviously profit driven healthcare is not "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ" and you are incapable of reconciling them. Your attempts to deflect aside you are not addressing the moral allegation raised by CF.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape.

Clearly, and perhaps unintentionally, the Pope is placing himself at odds with American conservatives, for whom the above is their most sacred, deeply held tenet of rightwing dogma.

Like most idiots, you know nothing of Roman Catholics or Conservatives. The truth to salvation and good deeds is that they are every man's choice, which is totally compatible with liberty. The Pope is demanding introspection, not government confiscation of wealth.

Go to Catholic mass regularly and a good priest never stops challenging his parishioners to VOLUNTARILY give of themselves, to do for people in need. It's not about community organizing to raise taxes and spread the wealth.

“The laws of competition and the survival of the fittest” is fundamental conservative neo-Social Darwinism.

“As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized…” comports with conservative economic dogma where the specter of poverty and disadvantage serves to ‘motivate’ individuals to success. It comports with conservative dogma that humans are motivated solely by fear and greed, perfectly explaining rightist opposition to public education, social programs, and most recently the ACA.

It explains the conservative myth of ‘entitlement mentality,’ and the errant notion that Social Security, Medicare, and public assistance programs ‘perpetuate’ poverty and act as a ‘disincentive’ to human success.

The Pope correctly points out that conservative dogma is simply wrong, and we as Americans are better than what conservatives advocate.

 

[Derideo_Te]

What a shame.

The nations that are the most Socialist and practice government enforced redistribution are the world poorest.

The USA became the most prosperous nation on the planet because we tried something new and different and totally aligned with the teaching of Christ

Do you seriously believe that Jesus would condone making a profit off of a sick child that bankrupts a family?

Only if they kill the kids puppy first

Your conceding of the falsity of your allegation is duly noted.

 

[martybegan]

So your answer is that Jesus practices moral equivocation?

The answer is that your question is an appeal to emotion based on bad facts, and ingorance of the true costs of healthcare. here is a hint, it isnt the profit that is causing the problem.

I don't pretend to speak for Jesus. Ask him yourself what his position is.

And yet you were more than willing to use him to justify the unjustifiable when it comes to what CF called being "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ"?

Obviously profit driven healthcare is not "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ" and you are incapable of reconciling them. Your attempts to deflect aside you are not addressing the moral allegation raised by CF.

I'm not doing anything of the sort. you are the one that brings the typical appeal to emotion into the debate.

The question you refuse to answer is how does a 5-10% profit margin by insurance companies cause american famlies to become bankrupt?

You can't answer that one, so you go off on tangents, like any other progressive.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The answer is that your question is an appeal to emotion based on bad facts, and ingorance of the true costs of healthcare. here is a hint, it isnt the profit that is causing the problem.

I don't pretend to speak for Jesus. Ask him yourself what his position is.

And yet you were more than willing to use him to justify the unjustifiable when it comes to what CF called being "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ"?

Obviously profit driven healthcare is not "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ" and you are incapable of reconciling them. Your attempts to deflect aside you are not addressing the moral allegation raised by CF.

I'm not doing anything of the sort. you are the one that brings the typical appeal to emotion into the debate.

The question you refuse to answer is how does a 5-10% profit margin by insurance companies cause american famlies to become bankrupt?

You can't answer that one, so you go off on tangents, like any other progressive.

The allegation was and still is that this nation is "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ" and that is what is being addressed. The for profit healthcare system is at variance with that allegation and not even the originator of the allegation was willing to defend it. So until you can show exactly how the profit driven motive aligns with the "teaching of Christ" you are just deflecting.

 

[BreezeWood]

If he cared half as much as you think he does he would sell off all the gold that is owned by the Catholic church and raise enough money to feed half the planet.

they have been saying that for centuries ... and everyone knows that is not the answer.


The Pope takes back his Church

just window dressing as usual - for centuries Truth be Known, the "Bible" is what needs to be "sold off" and be brought back to Life to discover the true path in the search for mankind's salvation.

this Pope is the same hindrance as they have all been in the past,.

 

[Barb]

Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape.

Clearly, and perhaps unintentionally, the Pope is placing himself at odds with American conservatives, for whom the above is their most sacred, deeply held tenet of rightwing dogma.

He is, and he did, earning a sacred place on my wall right next to Charlie Chaplin

 

[Avatar4321]

I find it interesting that there are so many people who think that taking care of the poor and needy is something new that the Pope has started. I am not Catholic and even I am aware of the tremendous work the Catholic Church has done in providing humanitarian aid to those in need.

 

[Barb]

So it is the 5-10% profit margin that is the cause of the bankruptcy?

Should doctors accept a salary that bankrupts the family, should the nurses? the hospital staff?

Deflection from answering the question asked duly noted.

its not deflecting, its clarifying. And you obviously can't answer it.

Jesus would ask all involved to provide said service for free, but he also would render unto ceasar, and not force people to do it. It would be thier choice, something progressives only seem to tolerate when ti comes to abortions.

"Ceasar" is the State - government policy -rendering unto would be paying the taxes (to foot the bills) required to carry it out. I know the "conservatives" of today don't like paying the bills, hell, they haven't for quite some time, but taxes happen to be the dues one pays to live in a decent society.

And hey, sparky, if you don't like it, take it up with the Pope

 

[Derideo_Te]

I find it interesting that there are so many people who think that taking care of the poor and needy is something new that the Pope has started. I am not Catholic and even I am aware of the tremendous work the Catholic Church has done in providing humanitarian aid to those in need.

I find it interesting that you have a compulsion to mischaracterize others. Then again maybe you just have a reading comprehension problem instead.

What is "new" is that the Pope is calling out the fundamentalist capitalist greed that is causing so much unnecessary hardship worldwide.

 

[Barb]

The Pope’s admonishment of American conservatives, and his accurate assessment that conservative dogma is fundamentally dehumanizing, in conjunction with his statement concerning the Church’s new stance on social issues, likely marks the end of the alliance between the Catholic Church and the social right.

Parts of the "social right" didnt have much use for the Catholic Church to begin with, or have you never heard the term "papist" used in evengelical circles?

Yeah, nobody saw that coming from Jerk Water Junction

 

[JakeStarkey]

What a shame.

The nations that are the most Socialist and practice government enforced redistribution are the world poorest.

The USA became the most prosperous nation on the planet because we tried something new and different and totally aligned with the teaching of Christ

Frank, "thou shalt not" call evil good as American capitalism is the antithesis of Christian teaching.

I see nothing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ that teaches us to be compel people to engage in certain commerce.

Then you do not understand the Word and ignore the Spirit.

No wonder you are adrift in your religion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What a shame.

The nations that are the most Socialist and practice government enforced redistribution are the world poorest.

The USA became the most prosperous nation on the planet because we tried something new and different and totally aligned with the teaching of Christ

Frank, "thou shalt not" call evil good as American capitalism is the antithesis of Christian teaching.

Jake thou shall shutteth the fuck up lest you reveal your ignorance and Marxist idolatry Read a Bible once in a while God was a big fan rewarding his people

Controlling the anti-Christian greed of capitalism and directing it into social market democratic paths is not Marxism, good buddy. You certainly readeth but comprehendeth it not.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"because the Gospel is liberty" does not mean you are exempt from the two Great Commandments.

"because the Gospel is liberty" does not mean the secular state cannot step in because those who should know better refuse to do right.

Remember this! You no longer have the votes, son.

 

[Avatar4321]

"because the Gospel is liberty" does not mean you are exempt from the two Great Commandments.

"because the Gospel is liberty" does not mean the secular state cannot step in because those who should know better refuse to do right.

Remember this! You no longer have the votes, son.

No one has claimed that anyone is exempt from the two great commandments.

The scriptures do not claim that we should neglect out power to do good and instead empower the government to rob people. The Gospel is to be lived without compulsion. We are to follow it because we choose to. Because it is our privilege to serve God and our fellow man. Not because we are forced to. "Choose this day whom you will serve."

The scriptures DO say clearly "THOU SHALT NOT STEAL". They also say "Thou shalt not covet..."

The poor and needy are not helped because of government action. Quite the opposite. the government keeps them poor and needy. The people who actually get the money from the government are those who contribute to the politicians campaign. Take the stimulus for example. That was supposed to help those in need. Instead, it was used to pay back campaign contributers with tax money.

Stop expecting someone else to take care of the poor. Stop expecting someone else to take care of you. God has given you the means to help both them and yourself already.

There is no sin in working hard just because it results in you getting money. Just be honest in your work. Don't cheat others. And don't falsely accuse your brethren of cheating you when you make bad choices and have no evidence of their fraud.