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I find it interesting that there are so many people who think that taking care of the poor and needy is something new that the Pope has started. I am not Catholic and even I am aware of the tremendous work the Catholic Church has done in providing humanitarian aid to those in need.
I find it interesting that you have a compulsion to mischaracterize others. Then again maybe you just have a reading comprehension problem instead.
What is "new" is that the Pope is calling out the fundamentalist capitalist greed that is causing so much unnecessary hardship worldwide.
And yet you were more than willing to use him to justify the unjustifiable when it comes to what CF called being "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ"?
Obviously profit driven healthcare is not "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ" and you are incapable of reconciling them. Your attempts to deflect aside you are not addressing the moral allegation raised by CF.
I'm not doing anything of the sort. you are the one that brings the typical appeal to emotion into the debate.
The question you refuse to answer is how does a 5-10% profit margin by insurance companies cause american famlies to become bankrupt?
You can't answer that one, so you go off on tangents, like any other progressive.
The allegation was and still is that this nation is "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ" and that is what is being addressed. The for profit healthcare system is at variance with that allegation and not even the originator of the allegation was willing to defend it. So until you can show exactly how the profit driven motive aligns with the "teaching of Christ" you are just deflecting.
The Popes admonishment of American conservatives, and his accurate assessment that conservative dogma is fundamentally dehumanizing, in conjunction with his statement concerning the Churchs new stance on social issues, likely marks the end of the alliance between the Catholic Church and the social right.
Parts of the "social right" didnt have much use for the Catholic Church to begin with, or have you never heard the term "papist" used in evengelical circles?
Yeah, nobody saw that coming from Jerk Water Junction
"because the Gospel is liberty" does not mean you are exempt from the two Great Commandments.
"because the Gospel is liberty" does not mean the secular state cannot step in because those who should know better refuse to do right.
Remember this! You no longer have the votes, son.
No one has claimed that anyone is exempt from the two great commandments.
The scriptures do not claim that we should neglect out power to do good and instead empower the government to rob people. The Gospel is to be lived without compulsion. We are to follow it because we choose to. Because it is our privilege to serve God and our fellow man. Not because we are forced to. "Choose this day whom you will serve."
The scriptures DO say clearly "THOU SHALT NOT STEAL". They also say "Thou shalt not covet..."
The poor and needy are not helped because of government action. Quite the opposite. the government keeps them poor and needy. The people who actually get the money from the government are those who contribute to the politicians campaign. Take the stimulus for example. That was supposed to help those in need. Instead, it was used to pay back campaign contributers with tax money.
Stop expecting someone else to take care of the poor. Stop expecting someone else to take care of you. God has given you the means to help both them and yourself already.
There is no sin in working hard just because it results in you getting money. Just be honest in your work. Don't cheat others. And don't falsely accuse your brethren of cheating you when you make bad choices and have no evidence of their fraud.
Parts of the "social right" didnt have much use for the Catholic Church to begin with, or have you never heard the term "papist" used in evengelical circles?
Yeah, nobody saw that coming from Jerk Water Junction
Shouldnt you be negging me for the accidental pos rep you sent me because of your inability to hit the right button?
I'm not doing anything of the sort. you are the one that brings the typical appeal to emotion into the debate.
The question you refuse to answer is how does a 5-10% profit margin by insurance companies cause american famlies to become bankrupt?
You can't answer that one, so you go off on tangents, like any other progressive.
The allegation was and still is that this nation is "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ" and that is what is being addressed. The for profit healthcare system is at variance with that allegation and not even the originator of the allegation was willing to defend it. So until you can show exactly how the profit driven motive aligns with the "teaching of Christ" you are just deflecting.
CF went with the statement that the overall concept of the US consitutional system is in line (in his opinion) with the teachings of Christ. you retorted with the standard progressive appeal to emotion, and what I questioned you on was YOUR statement, not your question to CF.
You have yet to answer my subquestion, and instead ask me to answer for CF, of which I have no intention. I question your premise that the for profit, at 5-10% profit insurance business is what is reponsible for people going into bankruptcy. You have yet to respond to my question to YOUR question.
It rolls up from that, not the other way around.
Do you seriously believe that Jesus would condone making a profit off of a sick child that bankrupts a family?
The Homeless Lobby / Poverty PAC | Depravity wraps itself in platitudinous twaddle.
I have to say, after complaining bitterly for decades about the Holy See trammeling the starving third world with edicts against all but the most unreliable forms of birth control, that I absolutely love this new Pope, Francis, and that his chosen name, after Assisi, must have been ordained by the heavens themselves. Im not a Catholic, or even a practicing Christian, but it was with tears in my eyes that I read a world religious leader both express true concern for the poor and the powerless, and lay blame at the feet of the deified social Darwinism behind the misery:
As many faithful as the Church has in her pews, can it be finally be hoped that the culture of greed (for goodness sake) will finally and at long last be jammed from the world consciousness?
If he cared half as much as you think he does he would sell off all the gold that is owned by the Catholic church and raise enough money to feed half the planet.
What a shame.
The nations that are the most Socialist and practice government enforced redistribution are the world poorest.
The USA became the most prosperous nation on the planet because we tried something new and different and totally aligned with the teaching of Christ
The allegation was and still is that this nation is "totally aligned with the teaching of Christ" and that is what is being addressed. The for profit healthcare system is at variance with that allegation and not even the originator of the allegation was willing to defend it. So until you can show exactly how the profit driven motive aligns with the "teaching of Christ" you are just deflecting.
CF went with the statement that the overall concept of the US consitutional system is in line (in his opinion) with the teachings of Christ. you retorted with the standard progressive appeal to emotion, and what I questioned you on was YOUR statement, not your question to CF.
You have yet to answer my subquestion, and instead ask me to answer for CF, of which I have no intention. I question your premise that the for profit, at 5-10% profit insurance business is what is reponsible for people going into bankruptcy. You have yet to respond to my question to YOUR question.
It rolls up from that, not the other way around.
My response to CF was this question;
Do you seriously believe that Jesus would condone making a profit off of a sick child that bankrupts a family?
You chose to erroneously mischaracterize it as an "appeal to emotion" because you couldn't refute it. Your subsequent deflections will be ignored until you can either refute that stark variance with CF's allegation or just admit that you cannot.
What a shame.
The nations that are the most Socialist and practice government enforced redistribution are the world poorest.
The USA became the most prosperous nation on the planet because we tried something new and different and totally aligned with the teaching of Christ
Frank, "thou shalt not" call evil good as American capitalism is the antithesis of Christian teaching.
I see nothing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ that teaches us to be compel people to engage in certain commerce. Nor anything that teaches us to empower government to rob from some people and give to others. In fact, the scriptures clearly teach "Thou shalt not steal" also "Thou shalt not covet". When John the Baptist came preaching Repentence he taught the people to "be content with your wages."
Instead He preaches liberty and freedom to the captive. He gives each man a stewardship. It is between that man and God what he should do with that stewardship. He has commanded us to take care of the poor and sick and afflicted. Us. Not the government. We are to make a determination with our own stewardship and give freely.
The Lord does not compell people to do good. He allows them to choose it freely. He does not teach man to empower governments to rob people of their stewardships.
The Free market is not incompatible with the Gospel because the Gospel is liberty. God teaches men to govern themselves with His teachings.
CF went with the statement that the overall concept of the US consitutional system is in line (in his opinion) with the teachings of Christ. you retorted with the standard progressive appeal to emotion, and what I questioned you on was YOUR statement, not your question to CF.
You have yet to answer my subquestion, and instead ask me to answer for CF, of which I have no intention. I question your premise that the for profit, at 5-10% profit insurance business is what is reponsible for people going into bankruptcy. You have yet to respond to my question to YOUR question.
It rolls up from that, not the other way around.
My response to CF was this question;
Do you seriously believe that Jesus would condone making a profit off of a sick child that bankrupts a family?
You chose to erroneously mischaracterize it as an "appeal to emotion" because you couldn't refute it. Your subsequent deflections will be ignored until you can either refute that stark variance with CF's allegation or just admit that you cannot.
So you can't connect how a 5-10% profit margin somehow results in the bankrupting of american families. That basically shows your entire question to CF is based on something you can't show or prove, thus showing it to be a pure appeal to emotion, and an attempted "gotcha" question.
You have not answered MY question, and you are not walking away from this with a win by default, no matter how much you want one now that you can't back up what you posted.
But I should expect this from you, same as the other progressive statists on the board, all bluster, no backing.
From the Gospel According to Martybegan
13-13. Verily did Jesus sayeth unto his disciples that a 5-10% profit margin when thy healeth the sick and suffering is blessed in the eyes of the Lord thy Father.
My response to CF was this question;
You chose to erroneously mischaracterize it as an "appeal to emotion" because you couldn't refute it. Your subsequent deflections will be ignored until you can either refute that stark variance with CF's allegation or just admit that you cannot.
So you can't connect how a 5-10% profit margin somehow results in the bankrupting of american families. That basically shows your entire question to CF is based on something you can't show or prove, thus showing it to be a pure appeal to emotion, and an attempted "gotcha" question.
You have not answered MY question, and you are not walking away from this with a win by default, no matter how much you want one now that you can't back up what you posted.
But I should expect this from you, same as the other progressive statists on the board, all bluster, no backing.
The onus remains on you to cite the teachings of Christ where he says to his disciples that a "5-10% profit margin" on healthcare is acceptable to God.
From the Gospel According to Martybegan
13-13. Verily did Jesus sayeth unto his disciples that a 5-10% profit margin when thy healeth the sick and suffering is blessed in the eyes of the Lord thy Father.
You are ALL over the map - that garbled collection of right wing talking points made absolutely no sense regarding what it responded to - and that is not a solid indication that you have the first clue what you're writing about.
Frank, "thou shalt not" call evil good as American capitalism is the antithesis of Christian teaching.
I see nothing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ that teaches us to be compel people to engage in certain commerce. Nor anything that teaches us to empower government to rob from some people and give to others. In fact, the scriptures clearly teach "Thou shalt not steal" also "Thou shalt not covet". When John the Baptist came preaching Repentence he taught the people to "be content with your wages."
Instead He preaches liberty and freedom to the captive. He gives each man a stewardship. It is between that man and God what he should do with that stewardship. He has commanded us to take care of the poor and sick and afflicted. Us. Not the government. We are to make a determination with our own stewardship and give freely.
The Lord does not compell people to do good. He allows them to choose it freely. He does not teach man to empower governments to rob people of their stewardships.
The Free market is not incompatible with the Gospel because the Gospel is liberty. God teaches men to govern themselves with His teachings.
Take it up with the Pope. HE happens to be on the CORRECT (rather than the "right") side of humanity
Yeah, nobody saw that coming from Jerk Water Junction
Shouldnt you be negging me for the accidental pos rep you sent me because of your inability to hit the right button?
Half done - isn't there a thread for that?
My response to CF was this question;
You chose to erroneously mischaracterize it as an "appeal to emotion" because you couldn't refute it. Your subsequent deflections will be ignored until you can either refute that stark variance with CF's allegation or just admit that you cannot.
So you can't connect how a 5-10% profit margin somehow results in the bankrupting of american families. That basically shows your entire question to CF is based on something you can't show or prove, thus showing it to be a pure appeal to emotion, and an attempted "gotcha" question.
You have not answered MY question, and you are not walking away from this with a win by default, no matter how much you want one now that you can't back up what you posted.
But I should expect this from you, same as the other progressive statists on the board, all bluster, no backing.
The onus remains on you to cite the teachings of Christ where he says to his disciples that a "5-10% profit margin" on healthcare is acceptable to God.
From the Gospel According to Martybegan
13-13. Verily did Jesus sayeth unto his disciples that a 5-10% profit margin when thy healeth the sick and suffering is blessed in the eyes of the Lord thy Father.
I find it interesting that there are so many people who think that taking care of the poor and needy is something new that the Pope has started. I am not Catholic and even I am aware of the tremendous work the Catholic Church has done in providing humanitarian aid to those in need.
So you can't connect how a 5-10% profit margin somehow results in the bankrupting of american families. That basically shows your entire question to CF is based on something you can't show or prove, thus showing it to be a pure appeal to emotion, and an attempted "gotcha" question.
You have not answered MY question, and you are not walking away from this with a win by default, no matter how much you want one now that you can't back up what you posted.
But I should expect this from you, same as the other progressive statists on the board, all bluster, no backing.
The onus remains on you to cite the teachings of Christ where he says to his disciples that a "5-10% profit margin" on healthcare is acceptable to God.
From the Gospel According to Martybegan
13-13. Verily did Jesus sayeth unto his disciples that a 5-10% profit margin when thy healeth the sick and suffering is blessed in the eyes of the Lord thy Father.
Are you seriously suggesting that Drs should not be able to use their skills to provide for themselves and take care of their families?
