The press is wrong about the GOP's death and Iraq

[JRK]

You are right, JRK. We did the right thing invading Iraq! It was brilliant.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...Klr4Eg&usg=AFQjCNHy_d6uPaCMqdjJRABtvkb6aFl4Ww

As a typical liberal you have read something into all of this that I have not stated
My view has always been that war sucks
But
Given the intel we had at that time from the UN as well as the CIA and British to include the knowledge that Al Qaeda was setting camp up, we had no choice
The dems took the WMD in accurate intel and with the press turned this into an event that never took place
Bush never lied.
If he did than so did every-one who voted for it in congress as well as the previous admin as they had stated without a doubt that Saddam Had WMDs
The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

Clinton is scum. So what. He didn't invade Iraq and nothing he did is relevant in the minds of normal people.

But I digress...

Yes, that lowlife Bush League cocksucker lied. He lied about wmd, he lied about the effects of tax cuts. If his mouth was open and sound was coming out there was a better than even chance the noise was a functional lie. The man is, in short, a god damned liar.

before I put you back on ignore
what did he lie about?
And who said anything about Clinton invading Iraq?

There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

DId Hillary lie?
How about Hans Blix?

 

[Yurt]

removing saddam was a good idea, however, it was very poorly executed. had it been executed as planned, you would be singing bush's praise. unfortunately, bush is an idiot.

You need to read some of the books the Navy seals wrote about who they were fighting in Iraq
Not sure what GWB had to do with the number of terror groups that came to Iraq to meet Allah
We accomplished every goal that was set forth
Iraq no matter what is stated is a much more productive part of this world today than before 2003
Women vote for gods sake and hold office in a country ruled by muslims

One other item
how can we continue to state that the Iraq war cost about the same as the failed stimulus when those troops and the expenses we had to expend to support those troops happens no matter war or not?
Simple question

as commander in chief, the buck stops with bush. he predicted a completely different outcome to the invasion, that responsibility rests with him and those he put in charge.

 

[rdean]

The stimulus isn't the subject. Neither is corporatist Democrat scum.

The subjects are Iraq and the GOP. All rational people understand Iraq is a total failure on every level including the actual results of killing the man who kept Iran too busy to bother the rest of the world. As to the GOP, it is the laughingstock of reasonable people who understand it and the boogyman of idiots and fake liberal Democrats.

Do you have the emotional self control to stick to your own header subjects?

It's Democrats who are corporatists????? Huh?????


I love it when Right Wingers blast Democrats because they imagine Democrats are holding one of their positions. They don't even know what their leaders stand for.

No one in their right mind confuses me with nutball white trash - or human potential enthusiasts of today's fake left.

Unfortunately both parties are led by corporatists. We already know about Junebug, Dickless Sheenie, Reagan, et al.

Clinton's corporatist legacy:

NAFTA
Open borders (corporate wet dream is cheap labor)
China set up for WTO
Reappointed Greenspan
Fired Brooksley Born for attempting to regulate derivatives
Awarded Blackwater open ended T&M no bid contract
Awarded Halliburton open ended T&M no bid contract
Signed repeal of Glass Steagall
Signed CFTMA
Pardoned Marc Rich
Took $80kk from corporations in first ten years out of office without creating a private sector job, improving a process or inventing anything. A first in the records of humanity.
​

Obama's corporatist legacy

AIG/Goldman bailout 100cents on the dollar
Most of the stimulus went to pay state and local gov't salaries
Most of the rest went to ensure payment of corporate contracts
No serious investigations/prosecutions of wrongdoing in re crash of 2008
No serous investigations/prosecutions of tax dodging
No serious pursuit of China as a criminal nation breaking WTO trade rules
​

There is more. And obviously none of that is in the same world as invading nations willy nilly and degrading the entire economy to funnel more money to the top as the GOP has done.

And not a single link with any of your bullshit. Why am I not surprised?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aPeLiub0jnQE

When it comes to the stimulus, you should find out who took the money and what it was used on. It's hilarious.

 

[NYcarbineer]

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...Klr4Eg&usg=AFQjCNHy_d6uPaCMqdjJRABtvkb6aFl4Ww

As a typical liberal you have read something into all of this that I have not stated
My view has always been that war sucks
But
Given the intel we had at that time from the UN as well as the CIA and British to include the knowledge that Al Qaeda was setting camp up, we had no choice
The dems took the WMD in accurate intel and with the press turned this into an event that never took place
Bush never lied.
If he did than so did every-one who voted for it in congress as well as the previous admin as they had stated without a doubt that Saddam Had WMDs
The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

Clinton is scum. So what. He didn't invade Iraq and nothing he did is relevant in the minds of normal people.

But I digress...

Yes, that lowlife Bush League cocksucker lied. He lied about wmd, he lied about the effects of tax cuts. If his mouth was open and sound was coming out there was a better than even chance the noise was a functional lie. The man is, in short, a god damned liar.

before I put you back on ignore
what did he lie about?
And who said anything about Clinton invading Iraq?

There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

DId Hillary lie?
How about Hans Blix?

Hillary Clinton is not president because she supported the Iraq war; Barack Obama, who got it exactly right about Iraq in 2002, is president.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Once Obama got into office most Republicans became anti war. JRK must not have gotten the memo.

I am anti war
I hate it
Terrorist caused those events, not the GOP
1998
H.R. 4655 - Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
That is not GOP
2002 60% Dems voed to remove Saddam
what does this have to do with the GOP?

What fact about the Iraq Liberation Act are you ignoring?

What is missing from that act? More precisely, what authorization is missing from that act?

 

[JRK]

removing saddam was a good idea, however, it was very poorly executed. had it been executed as planned, you would be singing bush's praise. unfortunately, bush is an idiot.

You need to read some of the books the Navy seals wrote about who they were fighting in Iraq
Not sure what GWB had to do with the number of terror groups that came to Iraq to meet Allah
We accomplished every goal that was set forth
Iraq no matter what is stated is a much more productive part of this world today than before 2003
Women vote for gods sake and hold office in a country ruled by muslims

One other item
how can we continue to state that the Iraq war cost about the same as the failed stimulus when those troops and the expenses we had to expend to support those troops happens no matter war or not?
Simple question

as commander in chief, the buck stops with bush. he predicted a completely different outcome to the invasion, that responsibility rests with him and those he put in charge.

I am still having trouble understanding "different outcome"
Saddam: gone
Democratic nation? yes
UN restrictions? gone
Black market oil? done
WMDs? ??????
Thy existed at one time, where there at now who knows, but not in Iraq (unless buried in desert as some think) but Saddam will never retrieve them

It is by no means perfect
but will it ever be?
I mean as friends of my said who fought there
Iraqi men look at woman as breeding and 14 year boys for sex
it is a messed up place

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The press is wrong about the GOP's death and Iraq
The GOP has 30 out of 50 governorships
The house
And lost the election only because they stayed home as Romney won the independents

Iraq?
Saddam had to go
The 6500 munitions that are still missing did exist at one time according to UN chief inspector Hans Blix, Jan 2003

Yeah....let's do that....​

July 27, 2010

Iraq Inquiry Commission​

"Former United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix testified before the British Iraq Inquiry. He told the five-member panel that the invasion of Iraq was illegal and that the U.S. and Britain relied on poor intelligence."

 

[JRK]

Clinton is scum. So what. He didn't invade Iraq and nothing he did is relevant in the minds of normal people.

But I digress...

Yes, that lowlife Bush League cocksucker lied. He lied about wmd, he lied about the effects of tax cuts. If his mouth was open and sound was coming out there was a better than even chance the noise was a functional lie. The man is, in short, a god damned liar.

before I put you back on ignore
what did he lie about?
And who said anything about Clinton invading Iraq?

There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

DId Hillary lie?
How about Hans Blix?

Hillary Clinton is not president because she supported the Iraq war; Barack Obama, who got it exactly right about Iraq in 2002, is president.

Obama had no vote in 2002
it is his legacy

 

[JRK]

The press is wrong about the GOP's death and Iraq
The GOP has 30 out of 50 governorships
The house
And lost the election only because they stayed home as Romney won the independents

Iraq?
Saddam had to go
The 6500 munitions that are still missing did exist at one time according to UN chief inspector Hans Blix, Jan 2003

Yeah....let's do that....​

July 27, 2010

Iraq Inquiry Commission​

"Former United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix testified before the British Iraq Inquiry. He told the five-member panel that the invasion of Iraq was illegal and that the U.S. and Britain relied on poor intelligence."

rule the house
30-50 governors
close to senate 50-50
do not think so
BTW GWB tax cuts 99% there

 

[AmericanFirst]

The GOP has 30 out of 50 governorships
The house
And lost the election only because they stayed home as Romney won the independents

Iraq?
Saddam had to go
The 6500 munitions that are still missing did exist at one time according to UN chief inspector Hans Blix, Jan 2003
Anthrax, was it ever made? If as was declared by the UN is also still missing
It is now known that Al Qaeda was fleeting to Iraq before we invaded
Missile sites that were to be banishes were found by the UN as late as 1-2003
Lets not forget the Democrats supported removing Saddsam long before GWB and voted 29-21 to remove Saddam in 2002
Rush to war?
It was 18 months after 9-11 before we invade. Hans Blix speech to the UN claiming WMDs as well as non compliance to Un regulations triggered the events that led to the removal of Saddam as well as killing 1000s of terrorist

God bless those who sacrificed it all for us and out safety

Of course they are, as well as the idiot libtards.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The press is wrong about the GOP's death and Iraq
The GOP has 30 out of 50 governorships
The house
And lost the election only because they stayed home as Romney won the independents

Iraq?
Saddam had to go
The 6500 munitions that are still missing did exist at one time according to UN chief inspector Hans Blix, Jan 2003

Yeah....let's do that....​

July 27, 2010

Iraq Inquiry Commission​

"Former United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix testified before the British Iraq Inquiry. He told the five-member panel that the invasion of Iraq was illegal and that the U.S. and Britain relied on poor intelligence."

Poor intelligence provided by clinton appointed cia. IDIOT!

 

[AmericanFirst]

before I put you back on ignore
what did he lie about?
And who said anything about Clinton invading Iraq?

There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

DId Hillary lie?
How about Hans Blix?

Hillary Clinton is not president because she supported the Iraq war; Barack Obama, who got it exactly right about Iraq in 2002, is president.

Obama had no vote in 2002
it is his legacy

Obamaturd never voted on anything, and he is a worthless president.

 

[JRK]

The press is wrong about the GOP's death and Iraq
The GOP has 30 out of 50 governorships
The house
And lost the election only because they stayed home as Romney won the independents

Iraq?
Saddam had to go
The 6500 munitions that are still missing did exist at one time according to UN chief inspector Hans Blix, Jan 2003

Yeah....let's do that....​

July 27, 2010

Iraq Inquiry Commission​

"Former United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix testified before the British Iraq Inquiry. He told the five-member panel that the invasion of Iraq was illegal and that the U.S. and Britain relied on poor intelligence."

Poor intelligence provided by clinton appointed cia. IDIOT!

and the UN
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...I1StFGTpvLPncf1V2vRGIoA&bvm=bv.44158598,d.dmg

this event is 100% ignored by the media sense mid late 2003
the biggest lie in the history of lies the media
including all for Obama