The press is wrong about the GOP's death and Iraq

[JRK]

The GOP will not die, they will become irrelevant as they exist in rural pockets.

Iraq was a major blunder which cost us 5000 lives and $2 trillion in debt we will never pay

$2kkkk in hard costs and current related costs.

Bear in mind The Bush League trashed every American value on credit. What that means is taxpayers will be lucky to escape the damage caused by white trash support for Junebug and his faithful companion, Draft Dodger Dick, for less than about $6kkkk by the time medical bills, widows, orphans and interest are paid.

"Blunder" seems a little bit respectful for acts that on their face were against every American instinct and tradition.

The faile stimulus cost as much as Iraq did
Iraq was an item the Dems supported as well as the GOP
CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act | Fox News

 

[rdean]

The GOP has 30 out of 50 governorships
The house
And lost the election only because they stayed home as Romney won the independents

Iraq?
Saddam had to go
The 6500 munitions that are still missing did exist at one time according to UN chief inspector Hans Blix, Jan 2003
Anthrax, was it ever made? If as was declared by the UN is also still missing
It is now known that Al Qaeda was fleeting to Iraq before we invaded
Missile sites that were to be banishes were found by the UN as late as 1-2003
Lets not forget the Democrats supported removing Saddsam long before GWB and voted 29-21 to remove Saddam in 2002
Rush to war?
It was 18 months after 9-11 before we invade. Hans Blix speech to the UN claiming WMDs as well as non compliance to Un regulations triggered the events that led to the removal of Saddam as well as killing 1000s of terrorist

God bless those who sacrificed it all for us and out safety

You gotta admit, it's funny when the right wing base said they believed Bush when he lied and don't believe him when he tells the truth.

Bush said Saddam had WMD's. The base said "I believe it".

When Bush said he was wrong and Saddam had no WMD's, the base says, "I don't believe it".

They live in a "Bizarro World" where GOOD AM BAD.

 

[kiwiman127]

Clinton wanted Saddam gone, that's true but nothing was done. At that time, the GOP accused Clinton of wagging-the-dog because of the Monica Lewinsky situation. Saying something and doing nothing isn't the same as saying something and doing something.
Only some Dems supported the war and that was based on false intelligence.
JRK seems to be re-writing history to support his goose-stepper delusion.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

The stimulus isn't the subject. Neither is corporatist Democrat scum.

The subjects are Iraq and the GOP. All rational people understand Iraq is a total failure on every level including the actual results of killing the man who kept Iran too busy to bother the rest of the world. As to the GOP, it is the laughingstock of reasonable people who understand it and the boogyman of idiots and fake liberal Democrats.

Do you have the emotional self control to stick to your own header subjects?

 

[rdean]

The stimulus isn't the subject. Neither is corporatist Democrat scum.

The subjects are Iraq and the GOP. All rational people understand Iraq is a total failure on every level including the actual results of killing the man who kept Iran too busy to bother the rest of the world. As to the GOP, it is the laughingstock of reasonable people who understand it and the boogyman of idiots and fake liberal Democrats.

Do you have the emotional self control to stick to your own header subjects?

It's Democrats who are corporatists????? Huh?????



I love it when Right Wingers blast Democrats because they imagine Democrats are holding one of their positions. They don't even know what their leaders stand for.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

The stimulus isn't the subject. Neither is corporatist Democrat scum.

The subjects are Iraq and the GOP. All rational people understand Iraq is a total failure on every level including the actual results of killing the man who kept Iran too busy to bother the rest of the world. As to the GOP, it is the laughingstock of reasonable people who understand it and the boogyman of idiots and fake liberal Democrats.

Do you have the emotional self control to stick to your own header subjects?

It's Democrats who are corporatists????? Huh?????


I love it when Right Wingers blast Democrats because they imagine Democrats are holding one of their positions. They don't even know what their leaders stand for.

No one in their right mind confuses me with nutball white trash - or human potential enthusiasts of today's fake left.

Unfortunately both parties are led by corporatists. We already know about Junebug, Dickless Sheenie, Reagan, et al.

Clinton's corporatist legacy:

NAFTA
Open borders (corporate wet dream is cheap labor)
China set up for WTO
Reappointed Greenspan
Fired Brooksley Born for attempting to regulate derivatives
Awarded Blackwater open ended T&M no bid contract
Awarded Halliburton open ended T&M no bid contract
Signed repeal of Glass Steagall
Signed CFTMA
Pardoned Marc Rich
Took $80kk from corporations in first ten years out of office without creating a private sector job, improving a process or inventing anything. A first in the records of humanity.
​

Obama's corporatist legacy

AIG/Goldman bailout 100cents on the dollar
Most of the stimulus went to pay state and local gov't salaries
Most of the rest went to ensure payment of corporate contracts
No serious investigations/prosecutions of wrongdoing in re crash of 2008
No serous investigations/prosecutions of tax dodging
No serious pursuit of China as a criminal nation breaking WTO trade rules
​

There is more. And obviously none of that is in the same world as invading nations willy nilly and degrading the entire economy to funnel more money to the top as the GOP has done.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why do nutters often fail to pluralize the word "terrorists".

I really liked the explanation for failing to win the WH. The very much alive GOP was supported in House races and Governors races.....but not in the Presidential race.

If people stayed home.....how did they vote for the House and for Governors?

Fucking imbecile.

Fucking imbecile?
Now that is the adult thing to say
Your strike one has been accepted

What do you mean strike one? You puttin' me on notice?

Respond to my comment. How did your pretzel-like grey matter come up with the excuse that the GOP stayed home......but just for the Presidential race and Senate races. Hmmmmm?

Curveball on the outside corner...........

 

[JRK]

The GOP has 30 out of 50 governorships
The house
And lost the election only because they stayed home as Romney won the independents

Iraq?
Saddam had to go
The 6500 munitions that are still missing did exist at one time according to UN chief inspector Hans Blix, Jan 2003
Anthrax, was it ever made? If as was declared by the UN is also still missing
It is now known that Al Qaeda was fleeting to Iraq before we invaded
Missile sites that were to be banishes were found by the UN as late as 1-2003
Lets not forget the Democrats supported removing Saddsam long before GWB and voted 29-21 to remove Saddam in 2002
Rush to war?
It was 18 months after 9-11 before we invade. Hans Blix speech to the UN claiming WMDs as well as non compliance to Un regulations triggered the events that led to the removal of Saddam as well as killing 1000s of terrorist

God bless those who sacrificed it all for us and out safety

You gotta admit, it's funny when the right wing base said they believed Bush when he lied and don't believe him when he tells the truth.

Bush said Saddam had WMD's. The base said "I believe it".

When Bush said he was wrong and Saddam had no WMD's, the base says, "I don't believe it".

They live in a "Bizarro World" where GOOD AM BAD.[/QUOTE

Really?
Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.

Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

I think this what was more in line as to the position of the white house. Also why is it you say nothing of the Dems who stated the same as well as the UN?
Where did those 6000 munitions go that are still missing?

 

[JRK]

Clinton wanted Saddam gone, that's true but nothing was done. At that time, the GOP accused Clinton of wagging-the-dog because of the Monica Lewinsky situation. Saying something and doing nothing isn't the same as saying something and doing something.
Only some Dems supported the war and that was based on false intelligence.
JRK seems to be re-writing history to support his goose-stepper delusion.

that prove that the Bush administration didn’t lie about weapons of mass destruction…
really?

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
“This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” — From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
“Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities” — From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998
“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability.” — Robert Byrd, October 2002
“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
“Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people.” — Tom Daschle in 1998
“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“I share the administration’s goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction.” — Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
“Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” — Bob Graham, December 2002
“Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction.” — Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed.” — Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
“I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force – if necessary – to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
“The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation.” — John Kerry, October 9, 2002

“(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. …And now he is miscalculating America�s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War.” — John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” — Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
“Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.” — Joe Lieberman, August, 2002
“Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 – 1994, despite Iraq’s denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq’s claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction.” — Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” — Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
“Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production.” — Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources — something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” — John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
“Saddam�s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq�s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East.” — John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

“Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration�s policy towards Iraq, I don�t think there can be any question about Saddam�s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts.” — Henry Waxman, Oct
really?

 

[JRK]

“Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production.” — Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
This was stated again in 2003 by Hans Blix
There are still over 6000 munitions missing and

what about Al Qaeda being there?

 

[JRK]

This also is about other lies the media are stating about a movement that is supposed to be dead when 60% of out governors are GOP and the house is still the voice of the people

 

[LoneLaugher]

You are right, JRK. We did the right thing invading Iraq! It was brilliant.

 

[JRK]

You are right, JRK. We did the right thing invading Iraq! It was brilliant.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...Klr4Eg&usg=AFQjCNHy_d6uPaCMqdjJRABtvkb6aFl4Ww

As a typical liberal you have read something into all of this that I have not stated
My view has always been that war sucks
But
Given the intel we had at that time from the UN as well as the CIA and British to include the knowledge that Al Qaeda was setting camp up, we had no choice
The dems took the WMD in accurate intel and with the press turned this into an event that never took place
Bush never lied.
If he did than so did every-one who voted for it in congress as well as the previous admin as they had stated without a doubt that Saddam Had WMDs
The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

 

[LoneLaugher]

Not going to address your fucked up logic, huh?

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

You are right, JRK. We did the right thing invading Iraq! It was brilliant.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...Klr4Eg&usg=AFQjCNHy_d6uPaCMqdjJRABtvkb6aFl4Ww

As a typical liberal you have read something into all of this that I have not stated
My view has always been that war sucks
But
Given the intel we had at that time from the UN as well as the CIA and British to include the knowledge that Al Qaeda was setting camp up, we had no choice
The dems took the WMD in accurate intel and with the press turned this into an event that never took place
Bush never lied.
If he did than so did every-one who voted for it in congress as well as the previous admin as they had stated without a doubt that Saddam Had WMDs
The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

Clinton is scum. So what. He didn't invade Iraq and nothing he did is relevant in the minds of normal people.

But I digress...

Yes, that lowlife Bush League cocksucker lied. He lied about wmd, he lied about the effects of tax cuts. If his mouth was open and sound was coming out there was a better than even chance the noise was a functional lie. The man is, in short, a god damned liar.

 

[JRK]

Not going to address your fucked up logic, huh?

That is code for "Oh shit, did all of this really happen?"
Have I been lied too?
LL
This is not FUlogic, it is an accurate history of the chain of events that the Main stream media sense the 06 election (05 is when it fired up big time) has lied about, as has the Democratic party, just to get elected
It worked
You should be happy to support such an ethical group
It has cost us 7 trillion dollars and 4 million jobs sense 08

 

[JRK]

There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

What is your point?

That the filthy lowlife cocksucker Junebug Bush (and his faithful companion Draft Dodging Dickless Sheenie) was too stupid to make a decision on his own? Is that your point?

Because fewer than 40% of congressional Democrats voted for the war, the scumball Clinton was blowing Marc Rich for dollars and Wes Clark would say the moon was made out of cheese if the money is right. Why are your throwing out all this idiot shit like it goes somewhere?

 

[Yurt]

removing saddam was a good idea, however, it was very poorly executed. had it been executed as planned, you would be singing bush's praise. unfortunately, bush is an idiot.

 

[JRK]

removing saddam was a good idea, however, it was very poorly executed. had it been executed as planned, you would be singing bush's praise. unfortunately, bush is an idiot.

You need to read some of the books the Navy seals wrote about who they were fighting in Iraq
Not sure what GWB had to do with the number of terror groups that came to Iraq to meet Allah
We accomplished every goal that was set forth
Iraq no matter what is stated is a much more productive part of this world today than before 2003
Women vote for gods sake and hold office in a country ruled by muslims

One other item
how can we continue to state that the Iraq war cost about the same as the failed stimulus when those troops and the expenses we had to expend to support those troops happens no matter war or not?
Simple question