The Problem with Socialism

[bripat9643]

The word "mandatory" is redundant when put before the word "taxation."

So how does getting rid of taxation make the telephone and the light bulb disappear?

The telephone and the electrical grid for the light bulbs? Both things we paid up or cut deals for. Without the government people would still be going to bed when it got dark.

What does "paid up or cut deals for" mean? The government played no part in the invention of the light bulb or the initial construction of the electrical grid. Government normally gets involved only after a technology has proven itself and is expanding rapidly. Government always wants to horn in on the action.

It means what I said, dummy.

It doesn't mean jack shit to normal intelligent people.

Dumbfuck, how did the telephone and electrical anything make it into American homes? The tooth fairy?

Thomas Edison strung electric wires to your home. That's how.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Then apparently all your voting republican/"conservative" didn't amount to much did it, and your "two" party system is a ruse. I can't help anyone who still actually believes that if you can only vote enough members of either party in the mess will right itself. But you keep on working on that if you think it will help.

So what's your solution?

You would have a total fucking meltdown shoog. My personal goal is to be as unlike people like you on "both" sides as I can be, and then still persist in becoming even further away.

So what's your solution?

There are lots of folk working on this. I don't think it would prove to be your cup of tea, but if you're sincere, you'll dig into it and decide if you wish to get involved. Horses to water, same phenomenon. Hint, your 6 multinational corporate controlled media will not serve it up to you.

In other words, you have no solution.

Thanks for playing.

Telling me to "dig into it" is a weasel, not an answer.

You don't want any solution, you're into this dysfunction, you just wanna squeal about it.

 

[Jack4jill]

The word "mandatory" is redundant when put before the word "taxation."

So how does getting rid of taxation make the telephone and the light bulb disappear?

The telephone and the electrical grid for the light bulbs? Both things we paid up or cut deals for. Without the government people would still be going to bed when it got dark.

What does "paid up or cut deals for" mean? The government played no part in the invention of the light bulb or the initial construction of the electrical grid. Government normally gets involved only after a technology has proven itself and is expanding rapidly. Government always wants to horn in on the action.

You vote and elect representatives, so you're the govt if you really believe in the american political system. Make a decision.

Wrong. I'm not the government. I would vote against 95% of what's in place if I was the government.

Further suggestion that the american political system does not answer to "the people", but rather concentrated wealth and corporate power - regardless of the party and partisanshit.

It was never designed to answer to the people.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The telephone and the electrical grid for the light bulbs? Both things we paid up or cut deals for. Without the government people would still be going to bed when it got dark.

What does "paid up or cut deals for" mean? The government played no part in the invention of the light bulb or the initial construction of the electrical grid. Government normally gets involved only after a technology has proven itself and is expanding rapidly. Government always wants to horn in on the action.

It means what I said, dummy.

It doesn't mean jack shit to normal intelligent people.

Dumbfuck, how did the telephone and electrical anything make it into American homes? The tooth fairy?

Thomas Edison strung electric wires to your home. That's how.

Public utilities bub.

 

[Jack4jill]

The telephone and the electrical grid for the light bulbs? Both things we paid up or cut deals for. Without the government people would still be going to bed when it got dark.

What does "paid up or cut deals for" mean? The government played no part in the invention of the light bulb or the initial construction of the electrical grid. Government normally gets involved only after a technology has proven itself and is expanding rapidly. Government always wants to horn in on the action.

It means what I said, dummy.

It doesn't mean jack shit to normal intelligent people.

Dumbfuck, how did the telephone and electrical anything make it into American homes? The tooth fairy?

Thomas Edison strung electric wires to your home. That's how.

He did huh? That's how power came to all of America?

You're an idiot.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The telephone and the electrical grid for the light bulbs? Both things we paid up or cut deals for. Without the government people would still be going to bed when it got dark.

What does "paid up or cut deals for" mean? The government played no part in the invention of the light bulb or the initial construction of the electrical grid. Government normally gets involved only after a technology has proven itself and is expanding rapidly. Government always wants to horn in on the action.

You vote and elect representatives, so you're the govt if you really believe in the american political system. Make a decision.

Wrong. I'm not the government. I would vote against 95% of what's in place if I was the government.

Further suggestion that the american political system does not answer to "the people", but rather concentrated wealth and corporate power - regardless of the party and partisanshit.

It was never designed to answer to the people.

Yup, land holding, titled, privileged white males alone. Even the most hopelessly intransigent poster in this thread woulda been "out".

 

[bripat9643]

So what's your solution?

You would have a total fucking meltdown shoog. My personal goal is to be as unlike people like you on "both" sides as I can be, and then still persist in becoming even further away.

So what's your solution?

There are lots of folk working on this. I don't think it would prove to be your cup of tea, but if you're sincere, you'll dig into it and decide if you wish to get involved. Horses to water, same phenomenon. Hint, your 6 multinational corporate controlled media will not serve it up to you.

In other words, you have no solution.

Thanks for playing.

Telling me to "dig into it" is a weasel, not an answer.

You don't want any solution, you're into this dysfunction, you just wanna squeal about it.

Another weasel.

 

[bripat9643]

What does "paid up or cut deals for" mean? The government played no part in the invention of the light bulb or the initial construction of the electrical grid. Government normally gets involved only after a technology has proven itself and is expanding rapidly. Government always wants to horn in on the action.

It means what I said, dummy.

It doesn't mean jack shit to normal intelligent people.

Dumbfuck, how did the telephone and electrical anything make it into American homes? The tooth fairy?

Thomas Edison strung electric wires to your home. That's how.

Public utilities bub.

They weren't public utilities when they started, bub.

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm doing well, thanks for the concern; I’m referring more to the cannibalization of American society at large. Until we evolve away from what you advocate we will continue to borrow to maintain a level of empire and consumption this society can no longer afford, wages will continue to fall for the workers the “job creators” exploit, poverty will continue to spread, permanent war of empire will continue unabated, privatized prison system mass incarceration will continue and spread in our post industrial society, human beings will continue to be commoditized regardless of “which” political party wins, and the public will continue to get 90% of what they see and hear (and believe in when it comes to people like you) from a half dozen corporations spewing a false perceptual reality while judicial fiat continues to be leveraged to strip citizens of basic constitutional rights. The system will do to us whatever we allow and all we would have to do is stop participating and cooperating.

Quote where I made those points or be proven as a lying asshole. I don't need to misrepresent others' views. YOU DO!

The more the unsubstantial people get squeezed, the more they have to focus on gettng by the daily grind. The republican party went batshit crazy over my lifetime and the democratic party morphed into the republican party I grew up with and a lot of that happened in my opinion during the previous Clinton's administration. All the democratic party has to do is act as if they're a bit "left" of the republican party, which brings us back to the lesser of the two evils, and that's for the most part on social issues. It's all pretty bipartisan when it comes to corporate societal wealth extraction.

So you think the country has moved to the right. So you're a liar, an unclever one and that, and incredibly stupid. We have gay marriage, the government leaning on private citizens to bake cakes against their will, bigger government, more regulations, industries like coal being dumped on, mandated by central government health insurance and on and on.

You live in an alternative universe and can only support it with lies and smears.

Then apparently all your voting republican/"conservative" didn't amount to much did it, and your "two" party system is a ruse. I can't help anyone who still actually believes that if you can only vote enough members of either party in the mess will right itself. But you keep on working on that if you think it will help.

I pointed out that we have moved left, not right, as you claimed. Now it's about my vote not amounting to much.

You're full of shit.

 

[Jack4jill]

It means what I said, dummy.

It doesn't mean jack shit to normal intelligent people.

Dumbfuck, how did the telephone and electrical anything make it into American homes? The tooth fairy?

Thomas Edison strung electric wires to your home. That's how.

Public utilities bub.

They weren't public utilities when they started, bub.

That is correct, and yet they became that for good reasons.

The electricity grid: A history

Government can do what businesses cannot, including make it possible to even do business in the first place. No government, no capitalism.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Yeah, it got took didn't it. Your "Indian", how ya like John Trudell's work, writing, lectures, books? Most folks should know how corrupt it is on reservations, but to put that on socialism is just silly. The govt plan was to make those folks dependent. It was intentional. Not some socialist revolution.

Reservations have been under the total control of the federal government therefore the social society produced = utter failure.

Reservations have been under the total control of the government of a capitalist society that deemed them disposable in the rabid search for linear profit margin growth to infinity. I don't believe you're "Indian". I do believe we all have a pretty fair shot at becoming the new"Indian" if we fail to challenge the same beast that slaghtered them. Good day to you sir.

Indian reservations were held under total government control, aka, socialism. How has that worked?

They were? That will be news to the Native Americans.

You're getting very boring. Why do you go out of your way to appear foolish? Is it intentional (ie you're being facetious) or is it the real you?

Here, I'll help!

5 Ways The Government Keeps Native Americans In Poverty
Guest commentary curated by Forbes Opinion.
Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.

By Shawn Regan

Imagine if the government were responsible for looking after your best interests. All of your assets must be managed by bureaucrats on your behalf. A special bureau is even set up to oversee your affairs. Every important decision you make requires approval, and every approval comes with a mountain of regulations.

How well would this work? Just ask Native Americans.

The federal government is responsible for managing Indian affairs for the benefit of all Indians. But by all accounts the government has failed to live up to this responsibility. As a result, Native American reservations are among the poorest communities in the United States. Here’s how the government keeps Native Americans in poverty.

Indian lands are owned and managed by the federal government.

[...]

5 Ways The Government Keeps Native Americans In Poverty

Why didn't republicans do something about this? They've had plenty of time to go after this issue, right? Maybe we shold just ask Native Americans if being hearded up into concentration camps works. Be a more reality based query.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I'm doing well, thanks for the concern; I’m referring more to the cannibalization of American society at large. Until we evolve away from what you advocate we will continue to borrow to maintain a level of empire and consumption this society can no longer afford, wages will continue to fall for the workers the “job creators” exploit, poverty will continue to spread, permanent war of empire will continue unabated, privatized prison system mass incarceration will continue and spread in our post industrial society, human beings will continue to be commoditized regardless of “which” political party wins, and the public will continue to get 90% of what they see and hear (and believe in when it comes to people like you) from a half dozen corporations spewing a false perceptual reality while judicial fiat continues to be leveraged to strip citizens of basic constitutional rights. The system will do to us whatever we allow and all we would have to do is stop participating and cooperating.

Quote where I made those points or be proven as a lying asshole. I don't need to misrepresent others' views. YOU DO!

The more the unsubstantial people get squeezed, the more they have to focus on gettng by the daily grind. The republican party went batshit crazy over my lifetime and the democratic party morphed into the republican party I grew up with and a lot of that happened in my opinion during the previous Clinton's administration. All the democratic party has to do is act as if they're a bit "left" of the republican party, which brings us back to the lesser of the two evils, and that's for the most part on social issues. It's all pretty bipartisan when it comes to corporate societal wealth extraction.

So you think the country has moved to the right. So you're a liar, an unclever one and that, and incredibly stupid. We have gay marriage, the government leaning on private citizens to bake cakes against their will, bigger government, more regulations, industries like coal being dumped on, mandated by central government health insurance and on and on.

You live in an alternative universe and can only support it with lies and smears.

Then apparently all your voting republican/"conservative" didn't amount to much did it, and your "two" party system is a ruse. I can't help anyone who still actually believes that if you can only vote enough members of either party in the mess will right itself. But you keep on working on that if you think it will help.

I pointed out that we have moved left, not right, as you claimed. Now it's about my vote not amounting to much.

You're full of shit.

Were you not voting against this trend? Weren't all/most/a significant number of "conservative" and republican voters voting against this? What gives?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Your rights aren't up for a vote. Neither are the rights of those you say are less worthy than you, like gay people and transgender kids.

My rights are up for a vote every day. ACA was just one vast assault on my rights, and Congress voted on that.

Your right to get sick and force us to pay for your sick ass isn't a right.

You can get coverage by society, or coverage by a plan you choose. No coverage is not an option, that comes out of my pocket and you are already on my tab.

No coverage is an option. It may mean no treatment, but that's your decision.

Yeah, that's not an option because decent people don't just let others die outside the ER door because they lacked insurance.

We end up with the bill. Thanks, no thanks.

That's up to the "decent people." If you want to pay the bill, then do it. If you don't want to pay the bill, then don't. No one has the right to force it on me. That's what the ACA does: force me to pay the bill.

See? A guy who thinks every individual should be able to make up his own set of rules.

 

[Fenton Lum]

You would have a total fucking meltdown shoog. My personal goal is to be as unlike people like you on "both" sides as I can be, and then still persist in becoming even further away.

So what's your solution?

There are lots of folk working on this. I don't think it would prove to be your cup of tea, but if you're sincere, you'll dig into it and decide if you wish to get involved. Horses to water, same phenomenon. Hint, your 6 multinational corporate controlled media will not serve it up to you.

In other words, you have no solution.

Thanks for playing.

Telling me to "dig into it" is a weasel, not an answer.

You don't want any solution, you're into this dysfunction, you just wanna squeal about it.

Another weasel.

Albeit true.

 

[LoneLaugher]

There are people who think they could maintain their current standard of living if "the government" were cut in half. Or....laughably....improve their standard of living.

These are funny people who don't understand how things work.

 

[Jack4jill]

How electricity grew up? A brief history of the electrical grid…

He won't like this one, it uses words he hates, grow up.

 

[bripat9643]

What does "paid up or cut deals for" mean? The government played no part in the invention of the light bulb or the initial construction of the electrical grid. Government normally gets involved only after a technology has proven itself and is expanding rapidly. Government always wants to horn in on the action.

You vote and elect representatives, so you're the govt if you really believe in the american political system. Make a decision.

Wrong. I'm not the government. I would vote against 95% of what's in place if I was the government.

Further suggestion that the american political system does not answer to "the people", but rather concentrated wealth and corporate power - regardless of the party and partisanshit.

It was never designed to answer to the people.

Yup, land holding, titled, privileged white males alone. Even the most hopelessly intransigent poster in this thread woulda been "out".

It provided more freedom and a better standard of living than any other country. So what are you blubbering about?

 

[Fenton Lum]

There are people who think they could maintain their current standard of living if "the government" were cut in half. Or....laughably....improve their standard of living.

These are funny people who don't understand how things work.

Or how they're manipulated into blaming others with no power to pull off anything.

 

[Jack4jill]

My rights are up for a vote every day. ACA was just one vast assault on my rights, and Congress voted on that.

Your right to get sick and force us to pay for your sick ass isn't a right.

You can get coverage by society, or coverage by a plan you choose. No coverage is not an option, that comes out of my pocket and you are already on my tab.

No coverage is an option. It may mean no treatment, but that's your decision.

Yeah, that's not an option because decent people don't just let others die outside the ER door because they lacked insurance.

We end up with the bill. Thanks, no thanks.

That's up to the "decent people." If you want to pay the bill, then do it. If you don't want to pay the bill, then don't. No one has the right to force it on me. That's what the ACA does: force me to pay the bill.

See? A guy who thinks every individual should be able to make up his own set of rules.

The same as all babies.

Most eventually grow up. Not a chance in his case.

 

[bripat9643]

There are people who think they could maintain their current standard of living if "the government" were cut in half. Or....laughably....improve their standard of living.

These are funny people who don't understand how things work.

Our standard of living would skyrocket if government was cut in half.

People who think government improves their lives are the ones who don't understand government.