The progressive war on Christmas/Christianity

It is a fundamental right of citizens of the US that they are allowed to express themselves in public domains, and share ideas and beliefs freely.

If you don't understand that, you don't deserve to be an American citizen.

No one has stated otherwise, which makes the notion of a ‘progressive war on Christmas/Christianity’ that much more idiotic.

If you and other theists feel somehow ‘threatened’ by Establishment Clause jurisprudence, then that’s solely a consequence of your own ignorance.


If you're too stupid to understand the free practice clause AND the establishment clause, you must be a wacko anti-religious liberal.

When the federal government declares a national religion, the establishment clause will have been violated.

Until then, stop nattering.
 
I have no doubt that without the RW media telling people there's a war on Christmas/Christianity, they wouldn't even notice any....er...."persecution".

If it was real persecution, they would rejoice, because that is what it says to do in the Bible...

...if they were real Christians.
 
Has anyone noticed all the Christmas decorations, the Christmas tree a Rockefeller Center?

I'm a little upset about the lack of a Festivus Pole in Times Square personally.

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CandyAss, get off the boxed wine once in awhile and you'd see it, there is a big ball that slides down it. Then again that poll maybe to small for you, carry on...:eek:
 
I have no doubt that without the RW media telling people there's a war on Christmas/Christianity, they wouldn't even notice any....er...."persecution".

If it was real persecution, they would rejoice, because that is what it says to do in the Bible...

...if they were real Christians.



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Matthew 5:11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Matthew 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
 
Has anyone noticed all the Christmas decorations, the Christmas tree a Rockefeller Center?

I'm a little upset about the lack of a Festivus Pole in Times Square personally.

:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

CandyAss, get off the boxed wine once in awhile and you'd see it, there is a big ball that slides down it. Then again that poll maybe to small for you, carry on...:eek:

Do you really not have any real-life friends you can bother with your blather?

BTW..a Fesitvus pole is meant to be totally unadorned.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KIMRsTu12g]Festivus For the Rest of us - YouTube[/ame]

Actually, Costanza is wrong....Festivus is growing pretty rapidly in fact.
 
Teacher fired over Bible files complaint against Phillipsburg School DistrictWalt Tutka claims religious discrimination

Author: 69 News, (follow: @69news), [email protected]
Apr 15 2013

PHILLISPBURG, Pa. -
A substitute teacher who lost his job for showing his Bible to a student has filed a complaint against the Phillipsburg School District.

Walt Tutka claims religious discrimination and retaliation as the reasons for his dismissal from the district in January, according to his complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

"It is shocking that the school district has forced Walt to file a complaint with the EEOC for religious discrimination," said Hiram Sasser, director of litigation for Liberty Institute, which is representing Tutka with a New Jersey law firm. "All Walt did was respond to a student’s intellectual curiosity and the school district suspended and then terminated him."

...

Teacher fired over Bible files complaint against Phillipsburg School District | Regional: Western NJ - Home

Well I guess we must be fair and fire all these islamic proselytizing beasts...

---> http://www.usmessageboard.com/education/225513-american-students-vs-islamic-propaganda.html

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo]Nelson - YouTube[/ame]
 
Well, considering the fact that "Christians" co-opted Christmas from the Pagans, y'all should just STFU.

Come children, sit around the fire, as I tell you a story about the TRUE origins of Christmas (winter solstice)....

When you gather around the Christmas tree or stuff goodies into a stocking, you're taking part in traditions that stretch back thousands of years — long before Christianity entered the mix.

Pagan, or non-Christian, traditions show up in this beloved winter holiday, a consequence of early church leaders melding Jesus' nativity celebration with pre-existing midwinter festivals. Since then, Christmas traditions have warped over time, arriving at their current state a little more than a century ago.

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The Christmas tree is a 17th-century German invention, University of Bristol's Hutton told LiveScience, but it clearly derives from the pagan practice of bringing greenery indoors to decorate in midwinter. The modern Santa Claus is a direct descendent of England's Father Christmas, who was not originally a gift-giver. However, Father Christmas and his other European variations are modern incarnations of old pagan ideas about spirits who traveled the sky in midwinter, Hutton said.


Hey, evangelicals, wake the fuck up and stop with all your pagan traditions and celebrations -- the Puritans were the first Americans to wage war on Christmas:
4. The Puritans hated the holiday

But if the Catholic Church gradually came to embrace Christmas, the Protestant Reformation gave the holiday a good knock on the chin. In the 16th century, Christmas became a casualty of this church schism, with reformist-minded Protestants considering it little better than paganism, Nissenbaum said. This likely had something to do with the "raucous, rowdy and sometimes bawdy fashion" in which Christmas was celebrated, he added.

In England under Oliver Cromwell, Christmas and other saints' days were banned, and in New England it was illegal to celebrate Christmas for about 25 years in the 1600s, Nissenbaum said. Forget people saying, "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas," he said.

"If you want to look at a real 'War on Christmas,' you've got to look at the Puritans," he said. "They banned it!"


Get an education before you post more of your idiotic nonsense.
 
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Pentagon Defends Unconstitutional Policy Against Soldiers Sharing Faith

by Ken Klukowski 3 May 2013

Pentagon personnel responded to Breitbart News’ report about court-martialing service members who share their faith in the military, which the Pentagon confirmed on May 1, and the Air Force on May 2 separately confirmed a second time.

Now the Pentagon claims the opposite. But these new statements instead only compound the problem, as the Pentagon’s new definitions for terms squarely contradict what the dictionary says those terms mean. All this has taken place as the first flag officer in the military has stepped forward to defy the unconstitutional policy.

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And this week it began. Rear Adm. William D. Lee of the Coast Guard said that he will “defy any efforts to stop military personnel from openly sharing their Christian faith.” Told that sharing the gospel is crossing the line, Lee said, “I’m so glad we’ve crossed that line so many times.” He then pledged to exercise his “right under the Constitution to tell a young man that there is hope.”

The U.S. military is the most noble and honorable institution in America. Officers like Rear Adm. Lee are an essential part of making it so. Congress should step forward to enact whatever legislation is needed to safeguard their rights, as they continue to protect ours.

Hagel's Pentagon Defends Unconstitutional Policy Against Soldiers Sharing Faith
 
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yep. The organized church had to co-opt that pagan holidaY (xmas) the same as the Repubs had to co-opt the t-party to not upset the status quo (corporate cronyism)
 
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Pentagon Defends Unconstitutional Policy Against Soldiers Sharing Faith

by Ken Klukowski 3 May 2013

Pentagon personnel responded to Breitbart News’ report about court-martialing service members who share their faith in the military, which the Pentagon confirmed on May 1, and the Air Force on May 2 separately confirmed a second time.

Now the Pentagon claims the opposite. But these new statements instead only compound the problem, as the Pentagon’s new definitions for terms squarely contradict what the dictionary says those terms mean. All this has taken place as the first flag officer in the military has stepped forward to defy the unconstitutional policy.

...

And this week it began. Rear Adm. William D. Lee of the Coast Guard said that he will “defy any efforts to stop military personnel from openly sharing their Christian faith.” Told that sharing the gospel is crossing the line, Lee said, “I’m so glad we’ve crossed that line so many times.” He then pledged to exercise his “right under the Constitution to tell a young man that there is hope.”

The U.S. military is the most noble and honorable institution in America. Officers like Rear Adm. Lee are an essential part of making it so. Congress should step forward to enact whatever legislation is needed to safeguard their rights, as they continue to protect ours.

Hagel's Pentagon Defends Unconstitutional Policy Against Soldiers Sharing Faith

The policy is NOT against sharing your faith. It against using your position to promote your religious beliefs and/or to try and convert others. VOLUNTARY discussion is allowed and always has been.
 
No, it's about sharing your faith, and it puts the kabosh to voluntary discussion.

It's also a way to phase out chaplains.
 
The US military USED to be the most noble and honorable institution in America. It isn't any more. What it is is an atheist playground and a gay meat market.
 
No, it's about sharing your faith, and it puts the kabosh to voluntary discussion.

It's also a way to phase out chaplains.

The Air Force Regulation discussed is:
AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 1-1 7 AUGUST 2012 Air Force Culture AIR FORCE STANDARDS
And the relevant part states:
2.11. Government Neutrality Regarding Religion. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. For example, they must avoid the actual or apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion. Commanders or supervisors who engage in such behavior may cause members to doubt their impartiality and objectivity. The potential result is a degradation of the unit’s morale, good order, and discipline. Airmen, especially commanders and supervisors, must ensure that in exercising their right of religious free expression, they do not degrade morale, good order, and discipline in the Air Force or degrade the trust and confidence that the public has in the United States Air Force.
2.12. Free Exercise of Religion and Religious Accommodation. Supporting the right of free exercise of religion relates directly to the Air Force core values and the ability to maintain an effective team.
2.12.1. All Airmen are able to choose to practice their particular religion, or subscribe to no religious belief at all. You should confidently practice your own beliefs while respecting others whose viewpoints differ from your own.
2.12.2. Your right to practice your religious beliefs does not excuse you from complying with directives, instructions, and lawful orders; however, you may request religious accommodation. Requests can be denied based on military necessity. Commanders and supervisors at all levels are expected to ensure that requests for religious accommodation are dealt with fairly.

Your turn. Cite me any USAF or DoD policy that forbids sharing your faith with someone who wants to listen. I won't hold my breath.
 
"Actual or apparent use of their position".

That's the problem. That means if you're wearing a uniform, you aren't allowed to share your beliefs with anyone under you, ever.

That's a problem for chaplains, and for combat leaders, and pretty much everyone.
 
You know that facts and dementia do not mix. So the neo cons and their christian hype are a bit of something that they don't grasp when they try to mix them.



Well, considering the fact that "Christians" co-opted Christmas from the Pagans, y'all should just STFU.

Come children, sit around the fire, as I tell you a story about the TRUE origins of Christmas (winter solstice)....

When you gather around the Christmas tree or stuff goodies into a stocking, you're taking part in traditions that stretch back thousands of years — long before Christianity entered the mix.

Pagan, or non-Christian, traditions show up in this beloved winter holiday, a consequence of early church leaders melding Jesus' nativity celebration with pre-existing midwinter festivals. Since then, Christmas traditions have warped over time, arriving at their current state a little more than a century ago.

........


The Christmas tree is a 17th-century German invention, University of Bristol's Hutton told LiveScience, but it clearly derives from the pagan practice of bringing greenery indoors to decorate in midwinter. The modern Santa Claus is a direct descendent of England's Father Christmas, who was not originally a gift-giver. However, Father Christmas and his other European variations are modern incarnations of old pagan ideas about spirits who traveled the sky in midwinter, Hutton said.


Hey, evangelicals, wake the fuck up and stop with all your pagan traditions and celebrations -- the Puritans were the first Americans to wage war on Christmas:
4. The Puritans hated the holiday

But if the Catholic Church gradually came to embrace Christmas, the Protestant Reformation gave the holiday a good knock on the chin. In the 16th century, Christmas became a casualty of this church schism, with reformist-minded Protestants considering it little better than paganism, Nissenbaum said. This likely had something to do with the "raucous, rowdy and sometimes bawdy fashion" in which Christmas was celebrated, he added.

In England under Oliver Cromwell, Christmas and other saints' days were banned, and in New England it was illegal to celebrate Christmas for about 25 years in the 1600s, Nissenbaum said. Forget people saying, "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas," he said.

"If you want to look at a real 'War on Christmas,' you've got to look at the Puritans," he said. "They banned it!"


Get an education before you post more of your idiotic nonsense.
 
It seems you are the first to throw a stone, now when someone makes a comment about your ideology it seems you have nothing backing what you say.
You still have no proof what so ever that someone is taking your right to worship.


Note the use of false labels and propaganda....*neocons*...lol.
 

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