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The Real Crime: Honesty
In a secular society such as ours, where the collective is prized over individualism, Heaven help the brave soul who speaks his mind.....if it runs counter to the 'authorized' truth.
Is this thread supposed to be about
a. the victimology of 'liberal' black America, or,
b. the victimology of conservative blacks and their white allies on the right,
because no one whines more about being persecuted for their beliefs than those in line b. No one plays the victimology card better than they do...
...this thread being one more stellar example of that.
Let's be real, honesty is a "crime" that this OP will never be accused of
Racial victimology is epidemic on the Right.
He's a black centrist which effectively puts him in the black rightwing...
...and he makes a good living doing it.
I've read his books.
Have you? Or are you still sticking to match book covers and bazooka comics?
The guy claims to be a liberal Democrat....and he is.
Yet you define him otherwise.
Who'd a guessed....
It's been a long time since a truthful post has emanated for your computer....
...maybe you should give the Geek Squad a call.
Bet they'd give you professional courtesy...you know, one Geek to another.
Gee, the other day you were conceding that there isn't one liberal socialist welfare state program that you would end, thus admitting that liberalism is the best source of social policy for this country,
and today you're admonishing us to heed the wisdom of someone you think is a liberal Democrat...
As I've said before,
Conservatism is an army in perpetual retreat.
Is this thread supposed to be about
a. the victimology of 'liberal' black America, or,
b. the victimology of conservative blacks and their white allies on the right,
because no one whines more about being persecuted for their beliefs than those in line b. No one plays the victimology card better than they do...
...this thread being one more stellar example of that.
Let's be real, honesty is a "crime" that this OP will never be accused of
Racial victimology is epidemic on the Right.
I've read his books.
Have you? Or are you still sticking to match book covers and bazooka comics?
The guy claims to be a liberal Democrat....and he is.
Yet you define him otherwise.
Who'd a guessed....
It's been a long time since a truthful post has emanated for your computer....
...maybe you should give the Geek Squad a call.
Bet they'd give you professional courtesy...you know, one Geek to another.
Gee, the other day you were conceding that there isn't one liberal socialist welfare state program that you would end, thus admitting that liberalism is the best source of social policy for this country,
and today you're admonishing us to heed the wisdom of someone you think is a liberal Democrat...
As I've said before,
Conservatism is an army in perpetual retreat.
If it weren't for lying, you'd be speechless.
Isn't that the case?
For example...
"Gee, the other day you were conceding that there isn't one liberal socialist welfare state program that you would end,..."
Document that, you sack of excrement.
Or....simple agree that my characterization of you is correct, and I never said or conceded any such thing.
What the heck is wrong when I flip my baseball cap backwards when I ride my little Yahama, dont want it to blow off ya know?
Will liberals ever allow a black person be conservative without suffering liberal invectives?
The King Of BULL$HIT!!!!
No it wasn't.
It was an inept attempt exactly as I characterized it.
Cosby couldn't really, really be black unless he blamed white folks.
And Cosby paid a high price, didn't he.
Back in the 80s, I told that joke to a friend of mine, a Black actor who had guest starred on The Cosby Show. He thought that it was hilarious, and very true. Refer to the second part of my last post. Sorry I did not number them.
" He thought that it was hilarious,..."
You missed the eye-roll when you turned away....
...and the finger-circle next to his temple....
Your attempt to get even, 'the second part,' is just as vapid.
Don't give up the day job.
Referring to President Obamas State of the Union Address, Cosby continued, To see people sitting down when there are others standing and cheering. I think we have people sitting there who are as bad as the people who were against any kind of desegregation. And then in place of a better America, they want their own sick feelings put across, and its it isnt it isnt a good time, but I think, also on our part as professors and presidents of colleges all over, and in public schools, we need to get the education of the correct history that happened so people can say, Yes, this really did happen.
Bill Cosby Slams Republicans Who Sat Through SOTU: As Bad As Civil Rights-Era Segregationists | Mediaite
Back in the 80s, I told that joke to a friend of mine, a Black actor who had guest starred on The Cosby Show. He thought that it was hilarious, and very true. Refer to the second part of my last post. Sorry I did not number them.
" He thought that it was hilarious,..."
You missed the eye-roll when you turned away....
...and the finger-circle next to his temple....
Your attempt to get even, 'the second part,' is just as vapid.
Don't give up the day job.
You are just upset about the thrashing you got over Kent State.
When a black liberal sees the light, he is no longer accepted as black or a liberal. Funny how that works. I've always thought that black people shouldn't depend on the government for their needs, nor be encouraged to play the victim card.
Frederick Douglass was once asked, "What shall we (the Government) do with a Negro?"
"...Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us!"
No truer words have ever been spoken by a black man.
When a black liberal sees the light, he is no longer accepted as black or a liberal. Funny how that works. I've always thought that black people shouldn't depend on the government for their needs, nor be encouraged to play the victim card.
Frederick Douglass was once asked, "What shall we (the Government) do with a Negro?"
"...Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us!"
No truer words have ever been spoken by a black man.
When a black liberal sees the light, he is no longer accepted as black or a liberal. Funny how that works. I've always thought that black people shouldn't depend on the government for their needs, nor be encouraged to play the victim card.
Frederick Douglass was once asked, "What shall we (the Government) do with a Negro?"
"...Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us!"
No truer words have ever been spoken by a black man.
While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct); how would the condition of Blacks have been if Government didn't pass and enforce the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? How about the Civil rights Acts that some republicans like to claim that they "passed", that was Government doing something. How about the Government not stepping in when Blacks were being brutalized and oppressed by the Black Codes, Jim Crow, etc.?
You as a Black person would have told Government "to get out of the way" of the slave masters, KKK, and other groups of people who were systematically brutalizing, enslaving, and oppressing Black people?
There are plenty of Black Liberals who see the light and are doing quite well, they may not just agree with your particular brand of "light". If you as a conservative believe in "individualism", why would you seemingly want to attribute that "shunning" like it's a prevalent thing? I have political and social discussions with PLENTY of Black people (relatives/friends/etc.), I'm not a big Obama supporter and I have expressed my angst with some of his policies. I told them I was going to vote and voted for Gary Johnson, no one gave me any problems or attitudes, no one called me an "uncle Tom" or "sellout".
There are self described Black people on this forum who do agree with Obama and are democrats, none of them have ever given me an attitude or an insult and this is a forum where insults often fly. For someone who seemingly shuns "the victim card", it sure seems like some "Black conservatives" love to ply that card when they complain about "the Blacks" allegedly calling them Uncle Toms for no reason other than they are Black and conservative.
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At the Annual Meeting of the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society in Boston, April, 1865, Fredrick Douglass delivered the following speech called What the Black Man Wants. In part:
Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, "What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don't disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,--your interference is doing him a positive injury.
When a black liberal sees the light, he is no longer accepted as black or a liberal. Funny how that works. I've always thought that black people shouldn't depend on the government for their needs, nor be encouraged to play the victim card.
Frederick Douglass was once asked, "What shall we (the Government) do with a Negro?"
"...Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us!"
No truer words have ever been spoken by a black man.
While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct); how would the condition of Blacks have been if Government didn't pass and enforce the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? How about the Civil rights Acts that some republicans like to claim that they "passed", that was Government doing something. How about the Government not stepping in when Blacks were being brutalized and oppressed by the Black Codes, Jim Crow, etc.?
You as a Black person would have told Government "to get out of the way" of the slave masters, KKK, and other groups of people who were systematically brutalizing, enslaving, and oppressing Black people?
There are plenty of Black Liberals who see the light and are doing quite well, they may not just agree with your particular brand of "light". If you as a conservative believe in "individualism", why would you seemingly want to attribute that "shunning" like it's a prevalent thing? I have political and social discussions with PLENTY of Black people (relatives/friends/etc.), I'm not a big Obama supporter and I have expressed my angst with some of his policies. I told them I was going to vote and voted for Gary Johnson, no one gave me any problems or attitudes, no one called me an "uncle Tom" or "sellout".
There are self described Black people on this forum who do agree with Obama and are democrats, none of them have ever given me an attitude or an insult and this is a forum where insults often fly. For someone who seemingly shuns "the victim card", it sure seems like some "Black conservatives" love to ply that card when they complain about "the Blacks" allegedly calling them Uncle Toms for no reason other than they are Black and conservative.
"While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct)..."
At the Annual Meeting of the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society in Boston, April, 1865, Fredrick Douglass delivered the following speech called What the Black Man Wants. In part:
Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, "What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don't disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,--your interference is doing him a positive injury.
Yep!!![
At the Annual Meeting of the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society in Boston, April, 1865, Fredrick Douglass delivered the following speech called What the Black Man Wants. In part:
Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, "What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don't disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,--your interference is doing him a positive injury.
And white conservatives fought the black man's right to do those things every step of the way and used the government in every twisted manner they could invent to do so.
While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct); how would the condition of Blacks have been if Government didn't pass and enforce the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? How about the Civil rights Acts that some republicans like to claim that they "passed", that was Government doing something. How about the Government not stepping in when Blacks were being brutalized and oppressed by the Black Codes, Jim Crow, etc.?
You as a Black person would have told Government "to get out of the way" of the slave masters, KKK, and other groups of people who were systematically brutalizing, enslaving, and oppressing Black people?
There are plenty of Black Liberals who see the light and are doing quite well, they may not just agree with your particular brand of "light". If you as a conservative believe in "individualism", why would you seemingly want to attribute that "shunning" like it's a prevalent thing? I have political and social discussions with PLENTY of Black people (relatives/friends/etc.), I'm not a big Obama supporter and I have expressed my angst with some of his policies. I told them I was going to vote and voted for Gary Johnson, no one gave me any problems or attitudes, no one called me an "uncle Tom" or "sellout".
There are self described Black people on this forum who do agree with Obama and are democrats, none of them have ever given me an attitude or an insult and this is a forum where insults often fly. For someone who seemingly shuns "the victim card", it sure seems like some "Black conservatives" love to ply that card when they complain about "the Blacks" allegedly calling them Uncle Toms for no reason other than they are Black and conservative.
"While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct)..."
At the Annual Meeting of the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society in Boston, April, 1865, Fredrick Douglass delivered the following speech called What the Black Man Wants. In part:
Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, "What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don't disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,--your interference is doing him a positive injury.
Thanks for the entire quote that show the context! The ironic part is without Government intervention, those very things I put in bold above would not have happened. In my opinion, Government intervention to protect the Civil Liberties of it's Citizens is a good thing. I DO think that some Government programs lend themselves to be abused and I think that the generational cycle of dependency on that system should be clamped down on. In my opinion, to assert that those programs were started with a sinister purpose is pretty much an outlandish assertion. I think in some way whether on purpose or by mistake, it's insulting to "the Blacks" to act like all they want is "free stuff", favoritism, subsidies, etc.
I have stated over and over again that the Black people in my family (sisters, cousins, mother, grandparents cousins, etc.) and friends are Democrats, NONE of them are on Welfare, they all have CAREERS most of them are married, have children, and raise them VERY well.
