The Right To Bear Arms

[danielpalos]

The holdup was, they had to surrender first.

No, the hold up was we had to stop publicly demanding an unconditional surrender.
Essentially no sane person would ever surrender unconditionally.
Only a blood thirsty lunatic would ever make such a demand.
Everyone surrendering always demands women not be raped, children not be killed, no one to be tortured, etc.
Anyone demanding unconditional surrender should be shot for treason, because we are supposed to be a nation based on the inherent rights of ALL people, not just citizens.

The threat of a siege should have been sufficient.

And the siege was to make Japan eager to surrender.
In fact, the main reason Japan surrendered was the mining of the ocean between China and Japan.
We dropped mines from bombers.
Japan was starving, because all the merchant ships attempting to cross had been sunk.
They were desperate to surrender.
The only reason the surrender did not occur is because we refused to acknowledge it, because we wanted to test our atomic bombs that we had spent billions perfecting.

Not surrendering earlier could have been a lesser Good.

No good came out of using the nukes.
It created the current balance of terror, where civilian populations are held hostage to the military safely in their bunkers and submarines.
It not only is the least civilized of all possibilities, but enshrines terrorism against civilians as the whole strategy.

lousy right wing management. if they truly believed in Capitalism we would be engaging the world with Capitalism not our "gun boat diplomacy".

 

[westwall]

The problem with your argument is that the militia was designed for a specific purpose within the Constitution.

We know what the purpose is, because they wrote it down.

It's in article 1, section 8

• "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
• To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

The milita was designed to prevent lawlessness at the FEDERAL LEVEL. i.e. the feds could call up the militia for this purpose. Remember, the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states at this time, only the Federal govt.

So, if a state couldn't handle the job, then the militia could take over.

That's not to say that the militia didn't do it at a state level, that's besides the point here. We're talking about the US Constitution and not state constitutions.

This means the 2A is also based around this intention.

the second amendment was put in the constitution to protect the people from the government, any other interpretation is simply wrong.

the founders came from countries where the government ruled with an iron hand and the people had no say or rights. They specifically prevented that from happening here when they wrote the constitution. I think you need a course in American history.

Yes, I agree completely.
But the 4th and 5th amendment also show individual arms were necessary to prevent murders, robberies, pirates, gangs, natives attacks, etc. And we have even more threats these days, like LA riots, M-13, natural disasters, etc.

But this is guns could be used for such things. It doesn't mean they were protected, and it certainly doesn't mean they were protected by the 2A.

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

 

[danielpalos]

the second amendment was put in the constitution to protect the people from the government, any other interpretation is simply wrong.

the founders came from countries where the government ruled with an iron hand and the people had no say or rights. They specifically prevented that from happening here when they wrote the constitution. I think you need a course in American history.

Yes, I agree completely.
But the 4th and 5th amendment also show individual arms were necessary to prevent murders, robberies, pirates, gangs, natives attacks, etc. And we have even more threats these days, like LA riots, M-13, natural disasters, etc.

But this is guns could be used for such things. It doesn't mean they were protected, and it certainly doesn't mean they were protected by the 2A.

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

where does the right wing come up with their right wing fantasy?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[hunarcy]

The point was, we merely needed to lay siege and wait them out. The nuclear option may have the lesser Bad.

No point in any siege at all.
It is easy to turn a whole island into a penal colony.
You just trade food shipments for any POWs they might have had on the mainland.

The holdup was, they had to surrender first.

No, the hold up was we had to stop publicly demanding an unconditional surrender.
Essentially no sane person would ever surrender unconditionally.
Only a blood thirsty lunatic would ever make such a demand.
Everyone surrendering always demands women not be raped, children not be killed, no one to be tortured, etc.
Anyone demanding unconditional surrender should be shot for treason, because we are supposed to be a nation based on the inherent rights of ALL people, not just citizens.

The threat of a siege should have been sufficient.

And the siege was to make Japan eager to surrender.
In fact, the main reason Japan surrendered was the mining of the ocean between China and Japan.
We dropped mines from bombers.
Japan was starving, because all the merchant ships attempting to cross had been sunk.
They were desperate to surrender.
The only reason the surrender did not occur is because we refused to acknowledge it, because we wanted to test our atomic bombs that we had spent billions perfecting.

Revisionist garbage that only a fool would offer as history. Not worth reading any further, so off to ignoreland with you.

 

[westwall]

Yes, I agree completely.
But the 4th and 5th amendment also show individual arms were necessary to prevent murders, robberies, pirates, gangs, natives attacks, etc. And we have even more threats these days, like LA riots, M-13, natural disasters, etc.

But this is guns could be used for such things. It doesn't mean they were protected, and it certainly doesn't mean they were protected by the 2A.

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

where does the right wing come up with their right wing fantasy?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

Were not so ignorant or were you not so intellectually dishonest you would know what the term meant back then. Here, Page 10 of the introduction dealing with CLOCKS. So, mr. pseudo intellectual, where are all of those laws dealing with regulating clocks?

Marking Modern Times

 

[Lesh]

What you idiots fail to notice is that the government used its vast resources and incredible technology to overcome the potential individual opposition.

And they'd do it again if needed.

Like the Russians in Afghanistan and the Americans in Vietnam, eh Leach?

A foreign intervention is vastly different from a civil war...douchebag

 

[Lesh]

the second amendment was put in the constitution to protect the people from the government, any other interpretation is simply wrong.

the founders came from countries where the government ruled with an iron hand and the people had no say or rights. They specifically prevented that from happening here when they wrote the constitution. I think you need a course in American history.

Yes, I agree completely.
But the 4th and 5th amendment also show individual arms were necessary to prevent murders, robberies, pirates, gangs, natives attacks, etc. And we have even more threats these days, like LA riots, M-13, natural disasters, etc.

But this is guns could be used for such things. It doesn't mean they were protected, and it certainly doesn't mean they were protected by the 2A.

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

 

[westwall]

Yes, I agree completely.
But the 4th and 5th amendment also show individual arms were necessary to prevent murders, robberies, pirates, gangs, natives attacks, etc. And we have even more threats these days, like LA riots, M-13, natural disasters, etc.

But this is guns could be used for such things. It doesn't mean they were protected, and it certainly doesn't mean they were protected by the 2A.

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Your Second Amendment rights are not unlimited — never have been and never will be – Applesauce - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star

We should ban guns in the Democrat states and watch what happens.

 

[westwall]

Your Second Amendment rights are not unlimited — never have been and never will be – Applesauce - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star

We should ban guns in the Democrat states and watch what happens.

Yup. Take them out of the hands of the police and the progressive elites armed guards as well. "What's good for the goose" and all of that....

 

[Lesh]

But this is guns could be used for such things. It doesn't mean they were protected, and it certainly doesn't mean they were protected by the 2A.

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

 

[westwall]

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

AGAIN. WELL REGULATED has NOTHING to do with laws, and everything to do with being in good working order. Learn some ENGLISH!

 

[hunarcy]

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

AGAIN. WELL REGULATED has NOTHING to do with laws, and everything to do with being in good working order. Learn some ENGLISH!

You're arguing with a troll. Hoping he will accept the truth is foolish. All you can do is keep presenting the truth so everyone else can learn.

 

[Lesh]

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

I guess the troll is claiming that the Constitution wasn't written in English



AGAIN. WELL REGULATED has NOTHING to do with laws, and everything to do with being in good working order. Learn some ENGLISH!

The Constitution is not written in English?

 

[Rustic]

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

Lol
Read it in the context of the era... you retarded fucker

 

[danielpalos]

But this is guns could be used for such things. It doesn't mean they were protected, and it certainly doesn't mean they were protected by the 2A.

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

where does the right wing come up with their right wing fantasy?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

Were not so ignorant or were you not so intellectually dishonest you would know what the term meant back then. Here, Page 10 of the introduction dealing with CLOCKS. So, mr. pseudo intellectual, where are all of those laws dealing with regulating clocks?

Marking Modern Times

You don't know what you are talking about, right winger. The fallacy of appealing to ignorance is all you have.

 

[danielpalos]

But this is guns could be used for such things. It doesn't mean they were protected, and it certainly doesn't mean they were protected by the 2A.

so in your vision of the USA only the government and criminals would have guns. That's exactly why the founders left Europe.

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Only if you appeal to ignorance of our Constitution, right wingers.

Nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

 

[danielpalos]

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

AGAIN. WELL REGULATED has NOTHING to do with laws, and everything to do with being in good working order. Learn some ENGLISH!

Appealing to ignorance is a fallacy, right wingers. Fallacy is all y'all have.

 

[danielpalos]

Well regulated militia are declared Necessary and shall not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

Lol
Read it in the context of the era... you retarded fucker

The right wing is clueless and Causeless. Frivolous at the expense of the Poor is all they know.

 

[westwall]

Well Regulated means IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. It has NOTHING to do with government control.

Bullshit. That well regulated militia is described in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and it's far more specific than what you describe

The term Well Regulated was in use from the 1500's to the 1800's and describes a mechanical function, or a well run business. Try learning some English language history before you make a fool of yourself again. Put another way, why do clocks from that era have WELL REGULATED embossed on their faces?

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

AGAIN. WELL REGULATED has NOTHING to do with laws, and everything to do with being in good working order. Learn some ENGLISH!

You're arguing with a troll. Hoping he will accept the truth is foolish. All you can do is keep presenting the truth so everyone else can learn.

That's why I do it. I know dp is a mental case. It appears lesh is his sock puppet, so obviously a mental midget as well, but the points i present are for thinking people, not them.