The Right To Bear Arms

[danielpalos]

A "well regulated" militia means thoroughly practiced and well functioning, similar to the meaning in a "well regulated" clock or "well regulated" bowels.

And it does not say the 2nd Amendment was for a free country, but a "free state" needing a well regulated militia. And most states defines in their constitution, that the militia consists of all able bodied adult males.

So you admit that the 2A was about the MILITIA

That's a start.

Now all you have to do is look at the Constitution to see what that militia looks like and what its duties are.

You can find that in Article 1 Section 8

And THEN look at the Dick Act which effectively abolished the organized the militia described in the Constitution

Oh...

...and yet the right of the people STILL shall not be infringed.

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...especially when it is about keeping and bearing Arms for your State or the Union.

There is no federal excuse to deny or disparage the People.

 

[danielpalos]

A "well regulated" militia means thoroughly practiced and well functioning, similar to the meaning in a "well regulated" clock or "well regulated" bowels.

And it does not say the 2nd Amendment was for a free country, but a "free state" needing a well regulated militia. And most states defines in their constitution, that the militia consists of all able bodied adult males.

So you admit that the 2A was about the MILITIA

That's a start.

Now all you have to do is look at the Constitution to see what that militia looks like and what its duties are.

You can find that in Article 1 Section 8

And THEN look at the Dick Act which effectively abolished the organized the militia described in the Constitution

Oh...

The Bill of Rights is all about the people not the government. That is the premise our Constitution is founded upon

just the anti-federalists proving human nature right.

 

[danielpalos]

He was saying that rule #3 says that you use a comma to separate an introductory phrase that has been moved in front of the main clause.

That doesn't change the fact that it is "introducing" that reason for the main clause. They are still tied together

The fact the 2nd amendment mentions the advantage of having a militia that is well practiced with firearms, in no way implies that is the ONLY reason why the federal government is prohibited from any firearm jurisdiction by the constitution.

It mentions no OTHER reason though does it...apparently that reason was important enough to get mention in that very simple statement. No others were as important to that Amendment

A reason for a right is not a limitation on that right.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

 

[Lesh]

A reason for a right is not a limitation on that right.

If the REASON no longer exists...then the right no longer exists

 

[danielpalos]

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

 

[Blues Man]

He was saying that rule #3 says that you use a comma to separate an introductory phrase that has been moved in front of the main clause.

That doesn't change the fact that it is "introducing" that reason for the main clause. They are still tied together

The fact the 2nd amendment mentions the advantage of having a militia that is well practiced with firearms, in no way implies that is the ONLY reason why the federal government is prohibited from any firearm jurisdiction by the constitution.

It mentions no OTHER reason though does it...apparently that reason was important enough to get mention in that very simple statement. No others were as important to that Amendment

A reason for a right is not a limitation on that right.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

I'm not the one that is confused

The Bill of Rights is not about the security of the state it is about the people

 

[Blues Man]

A reason for a right is not a limitation on that right.

If the REASON no longer exists...then the right no longer exists

Wrong.

The whole premise our Constitution is based on is that rights are inherent in the people and not granted by government

 

[danielpalos]

He was saying that rule #3 says that you use a comma to separate an introductory phrase that has been moved in front of the main clause.

That doesn't change the fact that it is "introducing" that reason for the main clause. They are still tied together

The fact the 2nd amendment mentions the advantage of having a militia that is well practiced with firearms, in no way implies that is the ONLY reason why the federal government is prohibited from any firearm jurisdiction by the constitution.

It mentions no OTHER reason though does it...apparently that reason was important enough to get mention in that very simple statement. No others were as important to that Amendment

A reason for a right is not a limitation on that right.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

I'm not the one that is confused

The Bill of Rights is not about the security of the state it is about the people

In right wing fantasy, You are always right; the anti federalists were just as right.

 

[Lesh]

Nothing changes the FACT that the 2A makes gun rights (at least as far as the Constitution goes) CONDITIONAL on their need by the militia.

Scalia turned that on its head

Prior to Heller...every SCOTUS case dealing with the 2A dealt with it within the context of the militia.
Heller tried to ignore the militia clause...ridiculously

 

[Blues Man]

He was saying that rule #3 says that you use a comma to separate an introductory phrase that has been moved in front of the main clause.

That doesn't change the fact that it is "introducing" that reason for the main clause. They are still tied together

The fact the 2nd amendment mentions the advantage of having a militia that is well practiced with firearms, in no way implies that is the ONLY reason why the federal government is prohibited from any firearm jurisdiction by the constitution.

It mentions no OTHER reason though does it...apparently that reason was important enough to get mention in that very simple statement. No others were as important to that Amendment

A reason for a right is not a limitation on that right.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

I'm not the one that is confused

The Bill of Rights is not about the security of the state it is about the people

In right wing fantasy, You are always right; the anti federalists were just as right.

Once again the Bill of Rights is a protection of the people from government not a protection of government

 

[danielpalos]

Nothing changes the FACT that the 2A makes gun rights (at least as far as the Constitution goes) CONDITIONAL on their need by the militia.

Scalia turned that on its head

Prior to Heller...every SCOTUS case dealing with the 2A dealt with it within the context of the militia.
Heller tried to ignore the militia clause...ridiculously

Only the unorganized militia complains about gun control laws.

 

[Blues Man]

Nothing changes the FACT that the 2A makes gun rights (at least as far as the Constitution goes) CONDITIONAL on their need by the militia.

Scalia in Heller admitted as much

Prior to Heller...every SCOTUS case dealing with the 2A dealt with it within the context of the militia.
Heller tried to ignore the militia clause...ridiculously

No it doesn't.

The SCOTUS funally got it right with Heller

If you want to live in the past why not live in the time where abortion wasn't considered a right

 

[danielpalos]

Nothing changes the FACT that the 2A makes gun rights (at least as far as the Constitution goes) CONDITIONAL on their need by the militia.

Scalia in Heller admitted as much

Prior to Heller...every SCOTUS case dealing with the 2A dealt with it within the context of the militia.
Heller tried to ignore the militia clause...ridiculously

No it doesn't.

The SCOTUS funally got it right with Heller

If you want to live in the past why not live in the time where abortion wasn't considered a right

Judicial activism.

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”
— George Mason

 

[Blues Man]

Nothing changes the FACT that the 2A makes gun rights (at least as far as the Constitution goes) CONDITIONAL on their need by the militia.

Scalia in Heller admitted as much

Prior to Heller...every SCOTUS case dealing with the 2A dealt with it within the context of the militia.
Heller tried to ignore the militia clause...ridiculously

No it doesn't.

The SCOTUS funally got it right with Heller

If you want to live in the past why not live in the time where abortion wasn't considered a right

Judicial activism.

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”
— George Mason

if the people are the militia all people have the right to keep and bear arms

 

[Lesh]

The SCOTUS funally got it right with Heller

You just admitted that Heller was a stark departure from precedent. Legislating from the bench

 

[Blues Man]

The SCOTUS funally got it right with Heller

You just admitted that Heller was a stark departure from precedent. Legislating from the bench

So what?

Abortion was a stark departure from historical precedent too

 

[danielpalos]

Nothing changes the FACT that the 2A makes gun rights (at least as far as the Constitution goes) CONDITIONAL on their need by the militia.

Scalia in Heller admitted as much

Prior to Heller...every SCOTUS case dealing with the 2A dealt with it within the context of the militia.
Heller tried to ignore the militia clause...ridiculously

No it doesn't.

The SCOTUS funally got it right with Heller

If you want to live in the past why not live in the time where abortion wasn't considered a right

Judicial activism.

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”
— George Mason

if the people are the militia all people have the right to keep and bear arms

only well regulated militia may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

 

[Lesh]

if the people are the militia all people have the right to keep and bear arms

According to the Dick Act ...at the very most...that pertains to only MALES between 17 and 45.

THAT was a huge part of why Scalia "decoupled" the militia clause from the 2A when he legislated from th bench.

He knew that the unorganized militia (which is all that is left of the militia)...would exclude all women and all males over 45 even IF you ignore what the Constitution says about what a "Well Regulated Militia" is, and is for.

 

[Lesh]

The SCOTUS funally got it right with Heller

You just admitted that Heller was a stark departure from precedent. Legislating from the bench

So what?

Abortion was a stark departure from historical precedent too

So you're admitting that you favor legislating from the bench...but only if you agree with the decision

Oh...

 

[Blues Man]

Nothing changes the FACT that the 2A makes gun rights (at least as far as the Constitution goes) CONDITIONAL on their need by the militia.

Scalia in Heller admitted as much

Prior to Heller...every SCOTUS case dealing with the 2A dealt with it within the context of the militia.
Heller tried to ignore the militia clause...ridiculously

No it doesn't.

The SCOTUS funally got it right with Heller

If you want to live in the past why not live in the time where abortion wasn't considered a right

Judicial activism.

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”
— George Mason

if the people are the militia all people have the right to keep and bear arms

only well regulated militia may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

Wrong as usual