The Right To Bear Arms

[danielpalos]

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

The people's right shall not be infringed, whether they're in the militia or not.

That cannot be true. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary to the security of a free State.

The unorganized militia can most definitely be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms; as can purely "civilian" Persons of the People.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)

Your quote makes it clear it's an individual right.

subject to the police power.

 

[Lesh]

only a section of the People are the Militia.

A very small section...and even there it doesn't fit the description of a Well Regulated militia laid out in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution

The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.

Nope..According to the Dick Act...ONLY males between 17 and 45 and even there they don't fit the above.

Scalia saw that as being far too restrictive for his political objective so he tossed the entire Militia clause out the window,'
That's TRUE legislating from the bench

 

[Lesh]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Stop trolling please.

 

[Auld Phart]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia.

I'm part of the People.

I'm almost 70 years old, clinically diagnosed as morbidly obese, on oxygen 24/7, carry an air tank that MIGHT last 2 1/2 hours.

What part of your 'militia' do I belong in?

 

[Auld Phart]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Right....

Do you also believe women had the right to vote as soon as the Constitution was ratified?

 

[danielpalos]

only a section of the People are the Militia.

A very small section...and even there it doesn't fit the description of a Well Regulated militia laid out in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution

The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.

Nope..According to the Dick Act...ONLY males between 17 and 45 and even there they don't fit the above.

Scalia saw that as being far too restrictive for his political objective so he tossed the entire Militia clause out the window,'
That's TRUE legislating from the bench

Special pleading is all the right wing has. The federal militia is not the Only militia.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We should have no security problems in our free States.

 

[danielpalos]

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Stop trolling please.

You stop trolling by alleging I am the one trolling. Get a Valid argument and Stop Trolling.

 

[danielpalos]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia.

I'm part of the People.

I'm almost 70 years old, clinically diagnosed as morbidly obese, on oxygen 24/7, carry an air tank that MIGHT last 2 1/2 hours.

What part of your 'militia' do I belong in?

You are part of the unorganized militia if you don't personally know and get along well with your heavy weapons section.

 

[danielpalos]

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Right....

Do you also believe women had the right to vote as soon as the Constitution was ratified?

Yes, they did; all they needed to do was ask.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

All Persons born in the US after 1808 are automatically US citizens by natural born birth.

 

[Auld Phart]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia.

I'm part of the People.

I'm almost 70 years old, clinically diagnosed as morbidly obese, on oxygen 24/7, carry an air tank that MIGHT last 2 1/2 hours.

What part of your 'militia' do I belong in?

You are part of the unorganized militia if you don't personally know and get along well with your heavy weapons section.

You are part of the unorganized militia

Can't belong to the unorganized militia.

I can't pass the physical, and I'm too old.

"Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

 

[Lesh]

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Stop trolling please.

You stop trolling by alleging I am the one trolling. Get a Valid argument and Stop Trolling.

Your inane posts almost never address the topic..and often are just flat wrong...and oh yea...they're cryptic nonsense.

Troll posts

 

[Auld Phart]

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Right....

Do you also believe women had the right to vote as soon as the Constitution was ratified?

Yes, they did; all they needed to do was ask.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

All Persons born in the US after 1808 are automatically US citizens by natural born birth.

at the time of the signing, women were second rate citizens, could not hold property, could not vote, and definitely could not serve as a member of the Militia.

 

[Lesh]

"Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

And of course the "unorganized militia" bears no resemblance to the "Well Regulated Militia" described in Article 1 Section 8 that has officers, rolls,training, and discipline.

 

[Lesh]

There have been gun laws in this country since the very beginning

https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4825&context=lcp

Only recently has the 2A been claimed as support for unrestricted gun laws.

 

[danielpalos]

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia.

I'm part of the People.

I'm almost 70 years old, clinically diagnosed as morbidly obese, on oxygen 24/7, carry an air tank that MIGHT last 2 1/2 hours.

What part of your 'militia' do I belong in?

You are part of the unorganized militia if you don't personally know and get along well with your heavy weapons section.

You are part of the unorganized militia

Can't belong to the unorganized militia.

I can't pass the physical, and I'm too old.

"Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Everybody can be part of the militia under the common law for the common defense.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[danielpalos]

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Stop trolling please.

You stop trolling by alleging I am the one trolling. Get a Valid argument and Stop Trolling.

Your inane posts almost never address the topic..and often are just flat wrong...and oh yea...they're cryptic nonsense.

Troll posts

lol. just Because You say so? sorry, you are not Simon. You need a valid rebuttal not simple rejection.

 

[Auld Phart]

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia.

I'm part of the People.

I'm almost 70 years old, clinically diagnosed as morbidly obese, on oxygen 24/7, carry an air tank that MIGHT last 2 1/2 hours.

What part of your 'militia' do I belong in?

You are part of the unorganized militia if you don't personally know and get along well with your heavy weapons section.

You are part of the unorganized militia

Can't belong to the unorganized militia.

I can't pass the physical, and I'm too old.

"Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Everybody can be part of the militia under the common law for the common defense.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

Everybody can be part of the militia under the common law for the common defense.

NO THEY CAN'T

as I've just shown you.

 

[danielpalos]

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Right....

Do you also believe women had the right to vote as soon as the Constitution was ratified?

Yes, they did; all they needed to do was ask.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

All Persons born in the US after 1808 are automatically US citizens by natural born birth.

at the time of the signing, women were second rate citizens, could not hold property, could not vote, and definitely could not serve as a member of the Militia.

did you know our Founding Fathers virtually invented, object orientation?

Here is the socialism our Founding Fathers wanted to ordain and establish with the social-ism of our form of federal Government and social Constitution for our Body Politic:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[danielpalos]

"Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

And of course the "unorganized militia" bears no resemblance to the "Well Regulated Militia" described in Article 1 Section 8 that has officers, rolls,training, and discipline.

And, you omit State militias who have to work with the rest of the citizenry.

 

[Auld Phart]

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Right....

Do you also believe women had the right to vote as soon as the Constitution was ratified?

Yes, they did; all they needed to do was ask.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

All Persons born in the US after 1808 are automatically US citizens by natural born birth.

at the time of the signing, women were second rate citizens, could not hold property, could not vote, and definitely could not serve as a member of the Militia.

did you know our Founding Fathers virtually invented, object orientation?

Here is the socialism our Founding Fathers wanted to ordain and establish with the social-ism of our form of federal Government and social Constitution for our Body Politic:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

what, in your weak mind, has that to do with the conversation?

another deflection?