The Right To Bear Arms

We were armed when they taxed workers, created federal reserve, took our Gold, created military industrial complex, removed the gold standard, invited illegal foreigners to invade our lands, took automatic weapons, sent our jobs, wealth & technology to China, the government printing presses roar loudly. You & your guns remained silent!!!
We have tolerated quite a bit, and we probably will tolerate a bit more, but we are now telling you what will awake the guns--YOUR ATTEMPT TO TAKE THEM.

I have listened to many. I have seen the resolve of citizens. You should take this very seriously.


You have a choice:
  1. Leave well-enough alone and the status quo remains (i.e. very limited and highly regulated civilian possession of machine guns or other automatic weapons, but free use of semi-autos and magazine capacities)
  2. Push your luck, and we repeal everything either by representation or by armed rebellion/force and anything goes. Full Autos become readily available to anyone.
You decide.
LOL!!! - They took guns from the people of New Orleans & you pussies did not injure the government thugs.
Not apples to oranges. Not even apples to meatloaf.
Apples to to fucking suitcases.

I wasn't in New Orleans and didn't know about it until recently.

We can only presume that government gave the guns back.

Now, passing national legislation is quite a bit different, don't you think?

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“No free government was ever founded, or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state…such area well-regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen.”
-Richard Henry Lee, Gazette (Charleston), September 8 1788
Richard Henry Lee Quote
 
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force: Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
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"Most of the human race are now in this deplorable condition: And those nations who have gone in search of grandeur, power, and splendor, have also fallen a sacrifice, and been the victims of their own folly: While they acquired those visionary blessings, they lost their freedom. My great objection to this Government is, that it does not leave us the means of defending our rights, or of waging war against tyrants..."
– Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
Speech of Patrick Henry (June 5, 1788) < The Anti-Federalist Papers < 1786-1800 < Documents < American History From Revolution To Reconstruction and beyond
 
"A standing army we shall have, also, to execute the execrable commands of tyranny; and how are you to punish them? Will you order them to be punished? Who shall obey these orders? Will your mace-bearer be a match for a disciplined regiment? In what situation are we to be? The clause before you gives a power of direct taxation, unbounded and unlimited, exclusive power of legislation, in all cases whatsoever, for ten miles square, and over all places purchased for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, &c. What resistance could be made? The attempt would be madness. You will find all the strength of this country in the hands of your enemies; their garrisons will naturally be the strongest places in the country. Your militia is given up to Congress, also, in another part of this plan: they will therefore act as they think proper: all power will be in their own possession. You cannot force them to receive their punishment: of what service would militia be to you, [52] when, most probably, you will not have a single musket in the state? for, as arms are to be provided by Congress, they may or may not furnish them."
– Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
Speech of Patrick Henry (June 5, 1788)
 
The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.
– Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

http://resources.utulsa.edu/law/classes/rice/Constitutional/Storey/story_hist_const_amend.html
 
If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
– Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
The Avalon Project : Federalist No 28
 
Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that the original intent of the Constitution was to preserve the ability of the people to resist tyranny WITH GUNS? I think I have sufficiently brow-beat the point. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking moron.

We, the citizens, need machine guns, tanks, artillery, air power, bombs, etc.

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In the event that ANYONE is still doubting that our founders intended citizens to be armed to the fullest extent, here is more:

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people, duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which shall be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
– Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/...com/&httpsredir=1&article=1421&context=wmborj
 
Our founders seem to be in complete agreement in that they INTENDED that we, the individual citizens, have the FULL power of a military force, not just semi-autos, much less mere shot guns and deer rifles.

Here is more:

The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American … the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
-Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788
https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/...com/&httpsredir=1&article=1421&context=wmborj
 
By Peter Weber

That's the opinion of Rupert Murdoch's conservative New York Post. And it's not as far-fetched as it may seem.

Well, let's read the text of the Second Amendment, says Jeffrey Sachs at The Huffington Post:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It's astonishingly clear that "the Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago," and "its purpose is long past."

As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.​

"Fair-minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous," says Cass Sunstein at Bloomberg View. Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in Heller, was laying out his interpretation of a "genuinely difficult" legal question, and "I am not saying that the court was wrong." More to the point: Right or wrong, obsolete or relevant, the Second Amendment essentially means what five justices on the Supreme Court say it means. So "we should respect the fact that the individual right to have guns has been established," but even the pro-gun interpretation laid out by Scalia explicitly allows for banning the kinds of weapons the shooter used to murder 20 first-graders. The real problem is in the political arena, where "opponents of gun control, armed with both organization and money, have been invoking the Second Amendment far more recklessly," using "wild and unsupportable claims about the meaning of the Constitution" to shut down debate on what sort of regulations might save lives.

More: Is the Second Amendment obsolete? - The Week
Let's look at why the 2nd Amendment was created: The private citizens (colonists) at the time, were living under an "oppressive" government (England), much like people live under oppressive governments today (Leninist/Marxist governments), although today, they just flee to the U.S.. Anyway, the private citizens rose up and created an army, navy and various private militias to throw England out. The weapons used by the colonists were exactly the same as those used by their British enemy armies.
So, when the founders drafted the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, they had in mind that private citizens should be allowed to form militias utilizing the standard firearms used by the enemy troops in order that they may protect their state from enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC!
Fast forward to today and while the public has accepted that they cannot own a fully automatic firearm without a Federal Firearms License, we put out foot down at an attempt to take away our right to own semi-automatic rifles with magazines. That oppressive tyrannical government that we were warned about has been insidiously growing from within and while in the past, was the Democratic party, is now a Leninist/Marxist party that is a threat to out individual liberties, our very freedom.
 
By Peter Weber

That's the opinion of Rupert Murdoch's conservative New York Post. And it's not as far-fetched as it may seem.

Well, let's read the text of the Second Amendment, says Jeffrey Sachs at The Huffington Post:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It's astonishingly clear that "the Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago," and "its purpose is long past."

As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.​

"Fair-minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous," says Cass Sunstein at Bloomberg View. Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in Heller, was laying out his interpretation of a "genuinely difficult" legal question, and "I am not saying that the court was wrong." More to the point: Right or wrong, obsolete or relevant, the Second Amendment essentially means what five justices on the Supreme Court say it means. So "we should respect the fact that the individual right to have guns has been established," but even the pro-gun interpretation laid out by Scalia explicitly allows for banning the kinds of weapons the shooter used to murder 20 first-graders. The real problem is in the political arena, where "opponents of gun control, armed with both organization and money, have been invoking the Second Amendment far more recklessly," using "wild and unsupportable claims about the meaning of the Constitution" to shut down debate on what sort of regulations might save lives.

More: Is the Second Amendment obsolete? - The Week
Let's look at why the 2nd Amendment was created: The private citizens (colonists) at the time, were living under an "oppressive" government (England), much like people live under oppressive governments today (Leninist/Marxist governments), although today, they just flee to the U.S.. Anyway, the private citizens rose up and created an army, navy and various private militias to throw England out. The weapons used by the colonists were exactly the same as those used by their British enemy armies.
So, when the founders drafted the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, they had in mind that private citizens should be allowed to form militias utilizing the standard firearms used by the enemy troops in order that they may protect their state from enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC!
Fast forward to today and while the public has accepted that they cannot own a fully automatic firearm without a Federal Firearms License, we put out foot down at an attempt to take away our right to own semi-automatic rifles with magazines. That oppressive tyrannical government that we were warned about has been insidiously growing from within and while in the past, was the Democratic party, is now a Leninist/Marxist party that is a threat to out individual liberties, our very freedom.
We have warned them.

We are willing to leave well-enough alone (for now) and maintain the highly restrictive nature of certain military arms under the status quo, but if they continue to push the envelope, we have every right to demand and get unrestricted access to purchase MILITARY GRADE weapons and munitions, and we will carry our automatic weapons and other deadly arms openly so that they shit their pants in front of everyone.

Which will it be, commies?

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By Peter Weber

That's the opinion of Rupert Murdoch's conservative New York Post. And it's not as far-fetched as it may seem.

Well, let's read the text of the Second Amendment, says Jeffrey Sachs at The Huffington Post:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It's astonishingly clear that "the Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago," and "its purpose is long past."

As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.​

"Fair-minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous," says Cass Sunstein at Bloomberg View. Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in Heller, was laying out his interpretation of a "genuinely difficult" legal question, and "I am not saying that the court was wrong." More to the point: Right or wrong, obsolete or relevant, the Second Amendment essentially means what five justices on the Supreme Court say it means. So "we should respect the fact that the individual right to have guns has been established," but even the pro-gun interpretation laid out by Scalia explicitly allows for banning the kinds of weapons the shooter used to murder 20 first-graders. The real problem is in the political arena, where "opponents of gun control, armed with both organization and money, have been invoking the Second Amendment far more recklessly," using "wild and unsupportable claims about the meaning of the Constitution" to shut down debate on what sort of regulations might save lives.

More: Is the Second Amendment obsolete? - The Week
Let's look at why the 2nd Amendment was created: The private citizens (colonists) at the time, were living under an "oppressive" government (England), much like people live under oppressive governments today (Leninist/Marxist governments), although today, they just flee to the U.S.. Anyway, the private citizens rose up and created an army, navy and various private militias to throw England out. The weapons used by the colonists were exactly the same as those used by their British enemy armies.
So, when the founders drafted the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, they had in mind that private citizens should be allowed to form militias utilizing the standard firearms used by the enemy troops in order that they may protect their state from enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC!
Fast forward to today and while the public has accepted that they cannot own a fully automatic firearm without a Federal Firearms License, we put out foot down at an attempt to take away our right to own semi-automatic rifles with magazines. That oppressive tyrannical government that we were warned about has been insidiously growing from within and while in the past, was the Democratic party, is now a Leninist/Marxist party that is a threat to out individual liberties, our very freedom.
We have warned them.

We are willing to leave well-enough alone (for now) and maintain the highly restrictive nature of certain military arms under the status quo, but if they continue to push the envelope, we have every right to demand and get unrestricted access to purchase MILITARY GRADE weapons and munitions, and we will carry our automatic weapons and other deadly arms openly so that they shit their pants in front of everyone.

Which will it be, commies?

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The problem we have is that the leftist Marists (formerly known as the Democratic Party) have suggested in a bribe to the military, that when they take away everyone's guns, the active duty military personnel will be allowed to keep theirs; this in a hope to bribe the military personnel to side with them, which the troops might go along with. Although some of them won't betray their families and friends.
 
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And, Justice Burger was in error. The 2nd Amendment maintains that private citizens may possess and carry arms so that they may become part of a regulated militia to defend their states, unless of course, the state becomes the oppressive/tyrannical government that our founding fathers warned us about; then the armed citizens can form militias to combat their oppressive/tyrannical/Leninist/Marxist state.
 
The so-called right to bear arms seems to be getting drastically out of hand - even among cops who can't tell the difference between tasers and pistols.

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Aren't the anti-gunners always on about making guns safe? Sounds to me like they just need to make tasers feel very different from firearms.
 
The so-called right to bear arms seems to be getting drastically out of hand - even among cops who can't tell the difference between tasers and pistols.

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Aren't the anti-gunners always on about making guns safe? Sounds to me like they just need to make tasers feel very different from firearms.

The woman who shot the black kid was a veteran officer. Also, tasers are supposed to be carried on the opposite less-dominate side from the pistol. How could she not know the difference?
 
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The so-called right to bear arms seems to be getting drastically out of hand - even among cops who can't tell the difference between tasers and pistols.

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Maybe they cops should be taught to yell "Taser Taser Taser, Is this really my Taser?"

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