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We never intended Social Security to be your total retirement system. It was expected that workers would own homes and have a financial nest egg to ensure they could retire comfortably
Then we allowed ourselves to destroy that nestegg. Leave a worker barely enough to live on and forget about saving for the future. Go into debt if you want your children to be educated. God forbid you get seriously ill and your life savings are gone. This is the society we have created and it is an embarrassment for a great nation
The big myth about income inequality that just won't die - The Week
Modern life is fraught with very expensive risks lurking around every corner. A sudden illness or accident could render you disabled and unable to work. A recession or economic restructuring could render you unemployed and render the skills you've spent your life learning useless. Reaching old age with inadequate savings could mean living your golden years in poverty.
Many societies have created robust social insurance systems to protect their populations from these kinds of risks. The U.S. has done so as well, but to a much lesser extent. Because social insurance in the U.S. is so inadequate, it is incumbent upon people to self-insure against these risks. That means they need to have enough wealth to draw upon as a cushion if they end up facing hard times. But here's where the social contract fails: When the bottom half of the country owns basically none of the country's wealth, they can't self-insure themselves against these risks. Instead, they must lead a relatively perilous life in which one misstep or mistake could wreck them and their families.
When income inequalities persist, violence ensues.
Fish, you've reached ludicrous speed. You are fixated and it's getting scary.
I happen to be the sole "breadwinner" of our family and I made over $75k last year. I don't need a man to "take care of me" you misogynist fuck.
Grow up, wytch. I was joking with you. Did you miss the big smile at the end of my post?
Your sensitivity to the truth makes me wonder about you.
Well, then I apologize profusely. You do have a pattern, Fishy, of bringing up my sexual orientation regardless of the thread.
Seriously Fish, if you're that curious, PM me and I might just answer your questions, otherwise do try and stay on topic.
That is strange. More government has never worked....No, what I assume will be the answer is that we must take control of more of the economy. We must force CEOs to work for some imagined number which would be decided upon by the government.
No, not less government more government which is in reality what has got us to this point in the first place. We just keep doing what hasn't worked in the past.
Having no government has never worked either
Half was in tax cuts
Stimulus worked. It was not big enough but it did what it was intended to do
so if half was tax cuts and it worked; and it needed to be bigger; then we needed more tax cuts?
ok dimwit
I'm game for more stimulus bed wetter, are you?
That is strange. More government has never worked....No, what I assume will be the answer is that we must take control of more of the economy. We must force CEOs to work for some imagined number which would be decided upon by the government.
No, not less government more government which is in reality what has got us to this point in the first place. We just keep doing what hasn't worked in the past.
Having no government has never worked either
We never intended Social Security to be your total retirement system. It was expected that workers would own homes and have a financial nest egg to ensure they could retire comfortably
Then we allowed ourselves to destroy that nestegg. Leave a worker barely enough to live on and forget about saving for the future. Go into debt if you want your children to be educated. God forbid you get seriously ill and your life savings are gone. This is the society we have created and it is an embarrassment for a great nation
How exactly did "we" do that? There is lots of opportunity in America which will be only growing as the boomers retire. The way it might have happened is that government takes so much of a person's wealth. 20 percent to a one percenter is nothing, 20 percent to a low income person is a lot.
Yeah the thing is, RW, the kind of people who think massive income inequity is okay, also look forward with glee to poor people dying of poverty.
Oh they won't admit it but their primary joy in life is feeling that feeling of Schadenfreude when other people have misfortune.
Theirs is a kind of mentally sick social sadism. (We read examples of how these pathetic creatures think on this board pretty much every day)
So if you hoping to change their minds based on logic, or their love of their society? Forget it.
Their kind of mental illness has no honor, no integrity, very little understanding of how societies actually work, either.
They are BULLIES. They are walking undifferentialted ANGER looking for scapegoats to pin their angst upon and the POOR are good targets because the poor cannot fight back.
Their sickness is more than simple selfishness.
It is coupled with FEAR FEAR and MORE FEAR.
I suspect I'm telling YOU nothing you don't already know.
De Chant comments on a telling line from the essay by Shiedel and Friesen:
[A]t the end, they make a point that’s difficult to parse, yet provocative. They point out that the majority of extant Roman ruins resulted from the economic activities of the top 10 percent. “Yet the disproportionate visibility of this ‘fortunate decile’ must not let us forget the vast but—to us—inconspicuous majority that failed even to begin to share in the moderate amount of economic growth associated with large-scale formation in the ancient Mediterranean and its hinterlands.”
In other words, what we see as the glory of Rome is really just the rubble of the rich, built on the backs of poor farmers and laborers, traces of whom have all but vanished. It’s as though Rome’s 99 percent never existed. Which makes me wonder, what will future civilizations think of us?
Read more: Even The Ancient Roman Empire Wasn't As Unequal As America Today - Business Insider
You notice no RW has a solution to anything. They are of the thought that everything is all good and any change would be all bad. Income inequality is a good thing just ask the Roman Empire.
See now that would be a point of discussion if they
1. Knew the history of the Roman Empire
or
2. Accepted any media that would inform them of the Roman Empire
or
3. Were curious about learning something new
You notice no RW has a solution to anything. They are of the thought that everything is all good and any change would be all bad. Income inequality is a good thing just ask the Roman Empire.
See now that would be a point of discussion if they
1. Knew the history of the Roman Empire
or
2. Accepted any media that would inform them of the Roman Empire
or
3. Were curious about learning something new
The Romney campaign slogan of "I got mine Jack" worked so well.
I will disagree with you as to the RW doing nothing in that Paul Ryan does seem to be sincerely trying to listen and then further the discussion. And, Kasich, Snyder and even Walker are interested in growing economies rather than crying they are discriminated against by two homosexuals wanting to marry.
I'm good with thatThat is strange. More government has never worked....
What we need is a tax system that gives business incentives to employ here, pay good wages, give good benefits, and give good retirement. Company does those things and they can pay zero taxes. If they do the opposite then they pay.
Let's incentivize the job creators. But prove you actually created jobs first. This throw money at them and pray that jobs will result is nonsense
The big myth about income inequality that just won't die - The Week
Modern life is fraught with very expensive risks lurking around every corner. A sudden illness or accident could render you disabled and unable to work. A recession or economic restructuring could render you unemployed and render the skills you've spent your life learning useless. Reaching old age with inadequate savings could mean living your golden years in poverty.
Many societies have created robust social insurance systems to protect their populations from these kinds of risks. The U.S. has done so as well, but to a much lesser extent. Because social insurance in the U.S. is so inadequate, it is incumbent upon people to self-insure against these risks. That means they need to have enough wealth to draw upon as a cushion if they end up facing hard times. But here's where the social contract fails: When the bottom half of the country owns basically none of the country's wealth, they can't self-insure themselves against these risks. Instead, they must lead a relatively perilous life in which one misstep or mistake could wreck them and their families.
I'm good with thatThat is strange. More government has never worked....
What we need is a tax system that gives business incentives to employ here, pay good wages, give good benefits, and give good retirement. Company does those things and they can pay zero taxes. If they do the opposite then they pay.
Let's incentivize the job creators. But prove you actually created jobs first. This throw money at them and pray that jobs will result is nonsense
You notice no RW has a solution to anything. They are of the thought that everything is all good and any change would be all bad. Income inequality is a good thing just ask the Roman Empire.
See now that would be a point of discussion if they
1. Knew the history of the Roman Empire
or
2. Accepted any media that would inform them of the Roman Empire
or
3. Were curious about learning something new
The Romney campaign slogan of "I got mine Jack" worked so well.
I will disagree with you as to the RW doing nothing in that Paul Ryan does seem to be sincerely trying to listen and then further the discussion. And, Kasich, Snyder and even Walker are interested in growing economies rather than crying they are discriminated against by two homosexuals wanting to marry.
Yeah but their plan is the same plan with a new wrapping. Cut shit for the poor, allow the rich to keep more / take more / receive more and pretend the deficit is a big deal while offering solutions that kick the lowest amongst us. Its like taking candy from a baby or from an adult. Ryan doesnt want to even approach the adults for fear of getting an ass kicking but the poor? They cant do shit...Which makes them the perfect target
I'm good with thatWhat we need is a tax system that gives business incentives to employ here, pay good wages, give good benefits, and give good retirement. Company does those things and they can pay zero taxes. If they do the opposite then they pay.
Let's incentivize the job creators. But prove you actually created jobs first. This throw money at them and pray that jobs will result is nonsense
I've suggested this in the past and the right disagreed with even this also. Saying something about leave business alone or something
