The Road to Damascus

[HaShev]

Emily more proof you are thieves of the Night (Michael the Evening Star).
It's Michael holding the role and scales of Justice as JUDGE not Jesus. Therefore:
Jeremiah 23:5-6 the Judge bringing justice is Michael:
Jewish tradition says The name of Moshiach will be in the Torah portions;
Torah portion:
Mikeitz מִקֵּץ – Hebrew for "at the end,"
Ketz= A particularly auspicious time for Moshiach to bring the exile to an end.= Mike is the name of the Moshiach who's revealed in the Torah portion regarding the "RETURN" (in Hebrew HaShev) from Exile.
And thus "Restorer". (Ruth, Jeremiah, Isaiah- Jeremiah 11:20, Jeremiah 23:5-6, Isaiah 51:9, Isaiah 59;19, Is.11:4,
Isaiah 25:8)

Sources for the Judge:
Michael is the one who brings men's souls to judgment ("signifer S. Michael repraesentet eas in lucam sanctam", Offert. Miss Defunct. "Constituit eum principem super animas suscipiendas", Antiph. off. Cf. "Hermas", Pastor, I, 3, Simil. VIII, 3).

Dan 12:1-4 Michael delivers everyone written in the book of life (judge)

IIQ13 "Heavenly Prince Melchizedek Scroll" about Michael conducting the atonement day Judgment.

Account of the Genesis which Enotes composed, to set against the Genesis of Moses, when it says [2] that the Devil (diabolos) was cast out of heaven(future Perfected earth) because of the evil (kakia) which he had brought forth and that Michael was set (kathistanai) in his place, that he might be associated with (synistanai)
the just Judge(krites), and might be the ambassador (presbeuein) for all creation; for he is good (agathos).
(meaning the Devil was the rule of this world and Michael was sent in his Place to cast out the evil he caused.)

If the devil and his works is judged then judgement is by works which is what the iconographs show where Michael
holds the judgment scales and Satan is holding down the scale trying to prevent measurment of works (through faith only teachings).

1 Enoch 20:5
Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations. (mediator/Judge)

EXODUS 23:20 "Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for
**He will not pardon your transgressions**; for My name is in Him.

1 Enoch 53:6
Michael and Gabriel, Raphael and Phanuel (Jeremiel)(14) shall be strengthened in that day, and shall then cast them into a furnace of blazing fire, that the Lord of spirits may be avenged of them for their crimes; because they became ministers of Satan, and seduced those who dwell upon earth.

Blessings scroll (1QSb=1Q28b)
V:20 "blessings of the Prince of the Congregation (Michael)
Renew him the covenant of the community so he might establish the kingdom of his people for ever, that he might judge the poor with righteousness & dispense Justice with equity to the oppressed.

4Q285 5&10 Judgment of the Kittim (Romans)

Dead Sea Scrolls:
llQMelch ll,9,13 ,
4Q246 ,
1QS x12-18

 

[HaShev]

Jeremiah koshergrl emilynghiem

Is the road to Damascus about converting to Christianity? How do you interpret the story about Saul to Paul and how does it reflect on today's time Damascus, Syria? Thanks for any shared thoughts or replies from christians of any denomination.

Those stories are not about Saul, they are from
"Pol" -Appolonius of Tyana (who was from Tarsus) was used for the Paul character and his Christ was Krishna called Christos. He also had a vast library and taste in nany cultures and deities like Constantine later who also had a similar luciferous vision calling itself Jesus.
This is why the 2 names become 1, Pol was not Jewish, so to get Jews to convert and believe this Roman story they needed a Jewish figure to say see even this holy man believed in Christos eventually.
Sort of like how Jeremiah and the other proselytizers use Jews as converts stories as their fish lore.
Things never change.
Paul is also derived from Sergius Paulus called Paul who Saul himself came across with his Sorcerer Maggi (elymas) friend Bar(son)Jesus who Saul
called "son of the devil". Read book of acts, Saul and Paul are not the same, RCC combines characters to confuse the historical and even today they change names to create elects images & prevent accusations of it's elect.

Is this from the bible or a different book? Are you a Christian?

I am really only posing my questions to active christians of all denominations.

Thanks.

Apollonius (POl) is through history, the story is his and borrowed in the NT to create Paul's story.
Serguius Paulus called Paul I said is in Book of Acts.
Questions towards any group is pointless if Historical accuracy is ignored or not shared. If I kept that info without sharing that would make me part of the sham & darkness (lies & ignorance) through being uninvolved, complacent, and quiet about something essential to the subject, whereby proper info is vital for proper discernment.

 

[Penelope]

Saul was chasing down Christians (members of "The Way" they were called) and they scattered after the death of Jesus for fear of their life's, so he was going to Damacus to hunt some more to bring in to be put to death before Jesus stopped him and he had a change of heart, so a change of heart leads to a name change. That is all . Jesus never went to Damascus.

Jesus was about peace, not war, in that aspect the Jews didn't see him as the messiah, but the Jews didn't like gentiles at all, so Jesus is our guy and our way.
The Jews were mainly Hellenized and sucked up to Rome, save a few who were zealots and wanted to fight everyone not Jew.

"Change of Heart" is what I got out of your message.

What about Jesus? I added that in up above. Thanks.

The fall of America does not signify the return of Christ according to Scripture, Drifter. I know the church is looking for an early departure but I do not expect anyone to be getting raptured out from behind the wheel of their cadillacs. Persecution is what purifies the church and prepares us to meet the Lord when that time comes. Jesus could tarry for years. Are we living in the end times? By the Bible prophecy being fulfilled, I'd have to believe so. Does it mean the return of Jesus Christ is imminent? No one knows when the LORD will return. He will return when he returns.

Thanks for sharing your point of view and answering the questions I asked.

The old testament is always kind of fear based imo. The new testament is more about Jesus teachings, which the main thing is to love your enemies and work out your own salvation, I think. I don't think Jesus ever predicted the end of the world or destruction but I wasn't positive on that because I am not belonging to any church and I don't study the bible.

Jesus mostly was about forgiveness from what I gather.

The book of revelation was written by someone named John. His predictions remind me more of the old testament rather then what Jesus taught.

But at any rate I am glad you answered and shared your perspective on it, I like to understand where people are coming from. So thank you for that.

Even when God's people witnessed his Glory they disobeyed. The bottom line is that God has a plan for us. He doesn't react to us, he conducts us according to a plan. What we go through we bring upon ourselves, and we must experience the agonies and judgments in order to be tempered into our ultimate selves. There's nothing to be gained in questioning his wisdom, or trying to second guess his motivation.

Every person on earth is God's people, the Jews or Hebrews wrote the books of the OT, some have more than one author, and they were wrote after the exile, so according to the Hebrew writers they the Jews they are the "chosen ones". Non Jews do not see them as God's people, they prayed to Yahweh only when they needed him for war, they were not monotheist in the OT.

Does that tie into Damascus?

No I made a response to Kosher girl, I have a problem calling Hebrew / Jews gods people or as they like to call themselves, chosen , so it has nothing to do with Damascus.

 

[Penelope]

Saul was chasing down Christians (members of "The Way" they were called) and they scattered after the death of Jesus for fear of their life's, so he was going to Damacus to hunt some more to bring in to be put to death before Jesus stopped him and he had a change of heart, so a change of heart leads to a name change. That is all . Jesus never went to Damascus.

Jesus was about peace, not war, in that aspect the Jews didn't see him as the messiah, but the Jews didn't like gentiles at all, so Jesus is our guy and our way.
The Jews were mainly Hellenized and sucked up to Rome, save a few who were zealots and wanted to fight everyone not Jew.

"Change of Heart" is what I got out of your message.

What about Jesus? I added that in up above. Thanks.

The fall of America does not signify the return of Christ according to Scripture, Drifter. I know the church is looking for an early departure but I do not expect anyone to be getting raptured out from behind the wheel of their cadillacs. Persecution is what purifies the church and prepares us to meet the Lord when that time comes. Jesus could tarry for years. Are we living in the end times? By the Bible prophecy being fulfilled, I'd have to believe so. Does it mean the return of Jesus Christ is imminent? No one knows when the LORD will return. He will return when he returns.

Thanks for sharing your point of view and answering the questions I asked.

The old testament is always kind of fear based imo. The new testament is more about Jesus teachings, which the main thing is to love your enemies and work out your own salvation, I think. I don't think Jesus ever predicted the end of the world or destruction but I wasn't positive on that because I am not belonging to any church and I don't study the bible.

Jesus mostly was about forgiveness from what I gather.

The book of revelation was written by someone named John. His predictions remind me more of the old testament rather then what Jesus taught.

But at any rate I am glad you answered and shared your perspective on it, I like to understand where people are coming from. So thank you for that.

Even when God's people witnessed his Glory they disobeyed. The bottom line is that God has a plan for us. He doesn't react to us, he conducts us according to a plan. What we go through we bring upon ourselves, and we must experience the agonies and judgments in order to be tempered into our ultimate selves. There's nothing to be gained in questioning his wisdom, or trying to second guess his motivation.

Every person on earth is God's people, the Jews or Hebrews wrote the books of the OT, some have more than one author, and they were wrote after the exile, so according to the Hebrew writers they the Jews they are the "chosen ones". Non Jews do not see them as God's people, they prayed to Yahweh only when they needed him for war, they were not monotheist in the OT.

True enough, but when I talk about God's ppl of the old testament I mean the Hebrews, who he showed wonders to....

According to the writers of the OT. As a RC I do not take the bible literally.

 

[koshergrl]

Saul was chasing down Christians (members of "The Way" they were called) and they scattered after the death of Jesus for fear of their life's, so he was going to Damacus to hunt some more to bring in to be put to death before Jesus stopped him and he had a change of heart, so a change of heart leads to a name change. That is all . Jesus never went to Damascus.

Jesus was about peace, not war, in that aspect the Jews didn't see him as the messiah, but the Jews didn't like gentiles at all, so Jesus is our guy and our way.
The Jews were mainly Hellenized and sucked up to Rome, save a few who were zealots and wanted to fight everyone not Jew.

"Change of Heart" is what I got out of your message.

The fall of America does not signify the return of Christ according to Scripture, Drifter. I know the church is looking for an early departure but I do not expect anyone to be getting raptured out from behind the wheel of their cadillacs. Persecution is what purifies the church and prepares us to meet the Lord when that time comes. Jesus could tarry for years. Are we living in the end times? By the Bible prophecy being fulfilled, I'd have to believe so. Does it mean the return of Jesus Christ is imminent? No one knows when the LORD will return. He will return when he returns.

Thanks for sharing your point of view and answering the questions I asked.

The old testament is always kind of fear based imo. The new testament is more about Jesus teachings, which the main thing is to love your enemies and work out your own salvation, I think. I don't think Jesus ever predicted the end of the world or destruction but I wasn't positive on that because I am not belonging to any church and I don't study the bible.

Jesus mostly was about forgiveness from what I gather.

The book of revelation was written by someone named John. His predictions remind me more of the old testament rather then what Jesus taught.

But at any rate I am glad you answered and shared your perspective on it, I like to understand where people are coming from. So thank you for that.

Even when God's people witnessed his Glory they disobeyed. The bottom line is that God has a plan for us. He doesn't react to us, he conducts us according to a plan. What we go through we bring upon ourselves, and we must experience the agonies and judgments in order to be tempered into our ultimate selves. There's nothing to be gained in questioning his wisdom, or trying to second guess his motivation.

Every person on earth is God's people, the Jews or Hebrews wrote the books of the OT, some have more than one author, and they were wrote after the exile, so according to the Hebrew writers they the Jews they are the "chosen ones". Non Jews do not see them as God's people, they prayed to Yahweh only when they needed him for war, they were not monotheist in the OT.

True enough, but when I talk about God's ppl of the old testament I mean the Hebrews, who he showed wonders to....

According to the writers of the OT. As a RC I do not take the bible literally.

I take it pretty literally but not JUST literally.

 

[koshergrl]

One of the miracles of God's word is that it works on so many levels....historically, figuratively, literally, any way you apply it.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Jeremiah koshergrl emilynghiem

Is the road to Damascus about converting to Christianity? How do you interpret the story about Saul to Paul and how does it reflect on today's time Damascus, Syria? Thanks for any shared thoughts or replies from christians of any denomination.

Yes and no, drifter
It's not so simple in terms of following a path we can safely label from the outside by name.
It is not affiliation that is the path to liberation or salvation.

What is universal is the path from retributive justice and manmade suffering
to restorative justice that breaks the cycle of sinful conditions and suffering.

All people, all humanity goes through this process, as Paul and his path symbolizes in the Bible.
But the process is so universal to all people of all backgrounds, cultures and karma
that it is independent of label and affiliation.

Atheists and Theists go through the process to reach peace and justice by seeking truth
and correcting error; as do Christians and Nonchristians, Buddhist, Hindus and Muslims, etc.

We are all united in the spirit of Christ, regardless which path, which road we take that leads to Rome.

The road to Rome leads to the anti-Christ. If anyone finds themselves on it? Turn around and head the other way!

 

[HaShev]

Jeremiah koshergrl emilynghiem

Is the road to Damascus about converting to Christianity? How do you interpret the story about Saul to Paul and how does it reflect on today's time Damascus, Syria? Thanks for any shared thoughts or replies from christians of any denomination.

Yes and no, drifter
It's not so simple in terms of following a path we can safely label from the outside by name.
It is not affiliation that is the path to liberation or salvation.

What is universal is the path from retributive justice and manmade suffering
to restorative justice that breaks the cycle of sinful conditions and suffering.

All people, all humanity goes through this process, as Paul and his path symbolizes in the Bible.
But the process is so universal to all people of all backgrounds, cultures and karma
that it is independent of label and affiliation.

Atheists and Theists go through the process to reach peace and justice by seeking truth
and correcting error; as do Christians and Nonchristians, Buddhist, Hindus and Muslims, etc.

We are all united in the spirit of Christ, regardless which path, which road we take that leads to Rome.

The road to Rome leads to the anti-Christ. If anyone finds themselves on it? Turn around and head the other way!

And ironically even the problems today with Radical Islam can be traced back to Rome, in more the one way.
1) through bastardizing the Jewish faith, and many cultures, causing division in many cultures and preventing them from adapting and adopting proper precepts on how thing are in life.
2) through persecution forcing the formation of Islam as a form of protectionism. If it's true and they directly were involved in help creating the new faith then it would be a more direct cause.
3) By influening, inspiring, causing the hate propaganda and violence of the Nazis through the emulation of Church Synods and rampant antisemitic ramblings in the NT and oral teachings, that trained and influenced Jihaadist when the head mufti learned and trained in Berlin and took it to Cairo.
4) The interferance by the Vatican directly on peace process like when Pope John Paul broke up a deal in place about to be signed after talking to Arafat to hold off to get Jerusalem to become an international city.
Deal fell through right after and that demand. It was the sudden monkey wrench, whereby the Pope stuck his foot where it ought not be for selfish reasons that mankind has paid for ever since.

 

[Liminal]

Jeremiah koshergrl emilynghiem

Is the road to Damascus about converting to Christianity? How do you interpret the story about Saul to Paul and how does it reflect on today's time Damascus, Syria? Thanks for any shared thoughts or replies from christians of any denomination.

Yes and no, drifter
It's not so simple in terms of following a path we can safely label from the outside by name.
It is not affiliation that is the path to liberation or salvation.

What is universal is the path from retributive justice and manmade suffering
to restorative justice that breaks the cycle of sinful conditions and suffering.

All people, all humanity goes through this process, as Paul and his path symbolizes in the Bible.
But the process is so universal to all people of all backgrounds, cultures and karma
that it is independent of label and affiliation.

Atheists and Theists go through the process to reach peace and justice by seeking truth
and correcting error; as do Christians and Nonchristians, Buddhist, Hindus and Muslims, etc.

We are all united in the spirit of Christ, regardless which path, which road we take that leads to Rome.

The road to Rome leads to the anti-Christ. If anyone finds themselves on it? Turn around and head the other way!

Fundamentalist Christians are not real Christians. You and your speaking in tongues rattlesnake wranglers all work for Satan.