The Roosevelt Myths vs. The Facts

[CrusaderFrank]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

So you're saying Republicans have the Roaring 20's, the Greatest Generation and Morning in America while Democrats have the Great Depression, Malaise and Public Housing?

 

[rightwinger]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

Hoover was the fall guy for the Great Depression

Seven months into his term, the market crashed. It was eight years of Republican deregulation, speculation and greed that created the Depression

 

[Camp]

When the facts are revealed, those who have been raised on hagiography, the "Roosevelt is God" groupies, don't try to deny the facts...the squeal like stuck pigs, they obfuscate, they attack the one revealing the facts.


Why not admit the truth?

Answer: because once any truth is admitted, the flood gates would open and their most closely held beliefs and worldview, i.e., Roosevelt and collectivist governance, would dissolve, like sand castles when the tide rolls in.




1. It is a fact that the economic downturn that Republican Warren Harding face was at the least comparable to the one that Franklin Roosevelt face. Harding's plan, "...tax cuts, spending cuts and relatively non-interventionist economic policy,..." ended the recession in a year and a half.

This is not even close to being a fact. The depression faced by Roosevelt began with a market crash that brought unemployment up to over 20%. The market fell drastically in 1920, but it did not crash and the unemployment only reached 11.7% at its highest.
Once again, as you like to ignore, the depression of 1920 did not have to grapple with the Dust Bowl storms which FDR had to deal with beginning in his first years in office.

 

[Freewill]

When the facts are revealed, those who have been raised on hagiography, the "Roosevelt is God" groupies, don't try to deny the facts...the squeal like stuck pigs, they obfuscate, they attack the one revealing the facts.


Why not admit the truth?

Answer: because once any truth is admitted, the flood gates would open and their most closely held beliefs and worldview, i.e., Roosevelt and collectivist governance, would dissolve, like sand castles when the tide rolls in.

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The opening statement is simply wacko. FDR's programs and ideas have outlasted the 20th Century and continue into the 21st Century. No other President of the 20th Century can compare to the lasting influence and legacy of FDR.
The opening statement is simply PoliticalChic telling everyone that if they would simply accept her warped and distorted opinions, everyone would understand and realize what a horrible leader FDR was and reject the opinions of the world's leading historians as well as the folks who lived during his era and re-elected him over and over.

Could you name one or two of FDR's programs that have outlasted the 20th century?

 

[rightwinger]

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We provide? Who is the we in that scenario?

Our economy

A great economy is not one that ensures the rich make more money but one that ensures the poor are taken care of

 

[PoliticalChic]

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At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

Your point?

The Depression was already going for three years when FDR took office. Hoovers "Prosperity is just around the corner" was a myth...it took FDR to actually DO something

The greatness of FDR was that he realized that the depression was more about the suffering of the poor than about the profits for the rich

My point?

At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five times....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

 

[Moonglow]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

Hoover was the fall guy for the Great Depression

Seven months into his term, the market crashed. It was eight years of Republican deregulation, speculation and greed that created the Depression

But doing nothing is what should have happened, because intervention in the market was unheard of.. That is the premise of the ejaculatory oral interpretation one gets from Polislic..

 

[Moonglow]

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At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

Your point?

The Depression was already going for three years when FDR took office. Hoovers "Prosperity is just around the corner" was a myth...it took FDR to actually DO something

The greatness of FDR was that he realized that the depression was more about the suffering of the poor than about the profits for the rich

My point?

At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five times....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

Why did the Great Depression not last more than a year or two when the GOP was in control?

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

So you're saying Republicans have the Roaring 20's, the Greatest Generation and Morning in America while Democrats have the Great Depression, Malaise and Public Housing?

....ended slavery, gave the vote to blacks and women, ended the Evil Empire without firing a shot.....

Republicans.

 

[Moonglow]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

So you're saying Republicans have the Roaring 20's, the Greatest Generation and Morning in America while Democrats have the Great Depression, Malaise and Public Housing?

No, I am saying that the GOP had control when the market crashed for almost 4 years, yet the depression was not miraculously over by 4 years of ignoring the plight of the consumers or producers..

 

[Moonglow]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

So you're saying Republicans have the Roaring 20's, the Greatest Generation and Morning in America while Democrats have the Great Depression, Malaise and Public Housing?

....ended slavery, gave the vote to blacks and women, ended the Evil Empire without firing a shot.....

Republicans.

That has nothing to do with the GOP failure to end the depression started under their watch and who was in control for almost 4 years..

 

[PoliticalChic]

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We provide? Who is the we in that scenario?

Our economy

A great economy is not one that ensures the rich make more money but one that ensures the poor are taken care of

The 'rich'????

You mean the folks who actually earned their wealth?

1. According to a study by Prince & Associates, less than 10% of today’s multi-millionaires cited “inheritance” as their source of wealth.
The Decline of Inherited Money - The Wealth Report - WSJ
The Decline of Inherited Money

2. Most of America's millionaires are first-generation rich. How is it possible for people from modest backgrounds to become millionaires in one generation? Why is it that so many people with similar socioeconomic backgrounds never accumulate even modest amounts of wealth?
washingtonpost.com: The Millionaire Next Door



The ones you Leftists hate???
The ones whose wealth you want to 'spread around' to buy votes???
Those folks?

 

[Freewill]

Here is an interesting graph, note when the great depression turned around.

Note, great depression turned BEFORE FDR took office and apparently his policies created another recession. Good for FDR WW2 bailed him out.

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We provide? Who is the we in that scenario?

Our economy

A great economy is not one that ensures the rich make more money but one that ensures the poor are taken care of

And that is what we do.

 

[bullwinkle]

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At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

MS. Chic, what I recognize is a charter member of the None So Blind club of disgruntled Republicans. I'll bet your nose ring even has fake rhinestones.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

Hoover was the fall guy for the Great Depression

Seven months into his term, the market crashed. It was eight years of Republican deregulation, speculation and greed that created the Depression

But doing nothing is what should have happened, because intervention in the market was unheard of.. That is the premise of the ejaculatory oral interpretation one gets from Polislic..

If FDR hadn't decided on "intervention in the [housing] market " there never would have been a mortgage meltdown.

More good work, like extending the Depression for a decade.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

Your point?

The Depression was already going for three years when FDR took office. Hoovers "Prosperity is just around the corner" was a myth...it took FDR to actually DO something

The greatness of FDR was that he realized that the depression was more about the suffering of the poor than about the profits for the rich

My point?

At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five times....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

Why did the Great Depression not last more than a year or two when the GOP was in control?

Why did the Depression last a decade under FDR?

Answer: because he wanted it to.

 

[Moonglow]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

Hoover was the fall guy for the Great Depression

Seven months into his term, the market crashed. It was eight years of Republican deregulation, speculation and greed that created the Depression

But doing nothing is what should have happened, because intervention in the market was unheard of.. That is the premise of the ejaculatory oral interpretation one gets from Polislic..

If FDR hadn't decided on "intervention in the [housing] market " there never would have been a mortgage meltdown.

More good work, like extending the Depression for a decade.

Still can't cover your parties dropping of the ball, can you...What happened to that chicken in every pot ??

 

[Moonglow]

.

At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

Your point?

The Depression was already going for three years when FDR took office. Hoovers "Prosperity is just around the corner" was a myth...it took FDR to actually DO something

The greatness of FDR was that he realized that the depression was more about the suffering of the poor than about the profits for the rich

My point?

At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five times....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

Why did the Great Depression not last more than a year or two when the GOP was in control?

Why did the Depression last a decade under FDR?

Answer: because he wanted it to.

I guess Hoover wanted it to last that long also..

 

[rightwinger]

.

At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

Your point?

The Depression was already going for three years when FDR took office. Hoovers "Prosperity is just around the corner" was a myth...it took FDR to actually DO something

The greatness of FDR was that he realized that the depression was more about the suffering of the poor than about the profits for the rich

My point?

At your advanced age, one would imagine that you recognize this truth:

Reality is defined by actions, not by words.


Prior to the 'Great Depression,' this nation had over thirty economic downturns.
They lasted 1-2 years.

Roosevelt, by design, in order to undermine our nation's foundings, extended the depression by a factor of four or five times....along with the agony inflicted on the people.



So....quoting words merely is simply an exercise in what you always do.....lie.

The Great Depression was already three years old when FDR took office, so your 1-2 years was already past

FDRs policies were directed at easing suffering, putting people back to work and taking care of those who needed it. He really didn't care if stock portfolios returned as quickly as possible

Like FDR said.....People don't eat in the long run

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. Republicans prior to Hoover provided prosperity for the nation.
But Hoover only gave Americans, the Great Depression, then did nothing about it, and Americans were pissed, so, no GOP president was elected till the 1950's...

So you're saying Republicans have the Roaring 20's, the Greatest Generation and Morning in America while Democrats have the Great Depression, Malaise and Public Housing?

No, I am saying that the GOP had control when the market crashed for almost 4 years, yet the depression was not miraculously over by 4 years of ignoring the plight of the consumers or producers..

"If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most,and likely sooner than that. But unprecedented political bungling insteadprolonged the misery for over 10 years. Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933. "
Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed