The Shape of Things To Come???

[Uncensored2008]

There are rounds you actually fire in combat and what you fire in training. My money says the rounds fired in training are a lot higher

So DHS is planning to engage in combat?

Who is their target?

 

[rightwinger]

There are rounds you actually fire in combat and what you fire in training. My money says the rounds fired in training are a lot higher

So DHS is planning to engage in combat?

Who is their target?

Terrorists....that is why Bush invented them

To keep us safe

 

[Uncensored2008]

Terrorists....that is why Bush invented them

Terrorists? Like those who voted against Dear Leader?

To keep us safe

And you wonder why we stock up on arms...

We may not win this war, we probably won't - but we will blacken your eye. Obama yearns for Civil war, you of the left think it's going to be a cake walk, that snivling weasels like NYCarbineer will just walk around murdering passive sheep. You might be in for a surprise - IF you really do start a war.

 

[g5000]

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years.

Key words, "wants to buy".

Not "has bought".

The government's explanation is less sinister. Federal solicitations to buy the ammo are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga. The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo - The Denver Post

 

[g5000]

[YouTube

{cue doom music}

{roll foreboding fake quotes from Jefferson, FDR, and Captain Kangaroo}

Any day now. Drones, armored minesweeping vehicles, low information zombies, and 1.6 billion rounds of ammo are coming for you.

Stock up on rice and water and run down to your little hidey hole. I'll stay here at the microphone and talk until they make me stop.

If I survive, I'll give you the all clear when it is safe to come out.

Don't worry about me, friends. This is what I do. This is why I do this. For you.

{swell music over waving flag}

[/YouTube]

 

[Uncensored2008]

Key words, "wants to buy".

Not "has bought".

Actually, "has cut a purchase order for."

They will buy the ammo +/- 10%

The government's explanation is less sinister. Federal solicitations to buy the ammo are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga. The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo - The Denver Post

So, they have a hundred years worth of ammo on order?

Sounds reasonable....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice.

ome of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers....1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

The OP is indeed a rightwing partisan hack: repeat a lie often enough in the hope it’s perceived as true.

In this case the moronic canard that the Federal government is ‘stockpiling’ weapons and ammunition to use against the American people.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you show where they have actually purchased 1.6 billion rounds?

"The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition."
1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation - Forbes



Buy #: 451659
Solicitation #: HSFLAR-13-Q-00014
Buy Description : Ammunition
Category : 13 -- Ammunition and Explosives
Sub Category : 1310 -- Ammunition, over 30mm up to 75mm
NAICS : 332993 -- Ammunition (except Small Arms) Manufacturing
FedBizOpps Solicitation : Yes
Recovery Act : No
Set-Aside Requirement : Small Business
Buyer : DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbwe...q5Ajq+RH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or



"In a puzzling, unexplained development, the Obama administration has been buying and storing vast amounts of ammunition in recent months, with the Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds.

Several other agencies of the federal government also began buying large quantities of bullets last year. The Social Security Administration, for instance, not normally considered on the frontlines of anything but dealing with seniors, explained that its purchase of millions of rounds was for special agents' required quarterly weapons qualifications. They must be pretty poor shots.

But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions."

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: Why are the feds loading up on so much ammo? by Andrew Malcolm - Investors.com
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"Over the last year, the Department of Homeland Security has purchased 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammunition for unknown reasons. A new solicitation has appeared from the DHS requesting even more rounds. Posted on Fed Biz Ops on Wednesday, the solicitation requests 10 million .40 caliber 165 grain jacketed hollow point rounds, 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point rounds and 1.6 million 9mm pistol cartridge ball rounds. This comes to a total of 21.6 million bullets."
DHS adds 21.6 million rounds of ammo to its nearly 2 billion round stockpile - National Government | Examiner.com

Nice cut and paste......you make me so proud

But nowhere in there does it show the government actually having actually purchased 1.6 billion rounds

I can sign a contract that allows me to buy up to 1.6 billion rounds over the next five years. Doesn't mean I have bought them

There's none so blind as those that will not see.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The OP is indeed a rightwing partisan hack: repeat a lie often enough in the hope it’s perceived as true.

What Chickie posted is verified fact, there can be no dispute of that.

WHY they bought the ammo, and if the amount is unusual, may be open for interpretation.

When you jump to attack what are already established facts, you only serve to destroy your own credibility - at least you would if you had any credibility.

In this case the moronic canard that the Federal government is ‘stockpiling’ weapons and ammunition to use against the American people.

The reason for the massive buy is open to opinion, the fact of the massive buy is not.

 

[rightwinger]

Do you have a link showing how many rounds the armed forces have purchased to cover not only the wars but all training ?

Not directly, but there is this..

{To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, the [Department of Homeland Security] is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war. A 24-year Iraq war! }

Feds Buy Two Billion Rounds of Ammunition

Here is a link showing the Army alone buying $1.9 billion in ammunition in 2011.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bullets are a lot cheaper than Hellfire missiles. They'll kill the guy who describes Obama as 'Comrade Corksucker Obama' daily on multiple blogs just as effectively as a Hellfire through the dining room window while he's gathered with his family at dinner on Easter Sunday.

We have The Occupy slugs and thugs waiting backstage, Obama's very own 'Brownshirt Army". He has remodeled the military in his own image. Expect a 'Night Of the Long Knives' very shorlty after which every citizen still free on the streets will be chirping the same Liberal love song.

How true

Obama reads this board and is probably taking down names as we speak

Whenever I come across simpletons like yourself, apologists for whatever the Left does, I recall Porter's "Ship of Fools."

The optimistic Jew on the ship thinks Germany ,with 1 million Jews there, certainly isn't going to kill all of them....



But, heck, it's not as though Obama has an obsession to 'transform America.'

 

[g5000]

Key words, "wants to buy".

Not "has bought".

Actually, "has cut a purchase order for."

They will buy the ammo +/- 10%

The government's explanation is less sinister. Federal solicitations to buy the ammo are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga. The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo - The Denver Post

So, they have a hundred years worth of ammo on order?

Sounds reasonable....

You do not know how these contracts work.

I have found one of the sources of the rumors:

ATK (NYSE: ATK) announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

ATK Secures .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with Department of Homeland Security, U.S.... -- ANOKA, Minn., March 12, 2012 /PRNewswire/ --

Four option years. Just like the DHS said.

"Maximum volume of 450 rounds."

Key word: Maximum.

That does not mean 450 million rounds will actually be purchased.

I would bet dollars to donuts the additional such contracts are written the same way.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice.

ome of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers....1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

The OP is indeed a rightwing partisan hack: repeat a lie often enough in the hope it’s perceived as true.

In this case the moronic canard that the Federal government is ‘stockpiling’ weapons and ammunition to use against the American people.

Hey, C_Chamber_Pot..

..been practicing that straight arm salute?

 

[g5000]

The "small print":

Although ATK believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, it can give no assurance that its expectations will be achieved. Forward-looking information is subject to certain risks, trends, and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Among those factors are: changes in governmental spending, budgetary policies and product sourcing strategies; the company's competitive environment; the terms and timing of awards and contracts; economic conditions; the supply, availability and costs of raw materials and components; or reliance on a key supplier. ATK undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. For further information on factors that could impact ATK, and statements contained herein, please refer to ATK's most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K and its subsequent quarterly report on Form 10-Q and current reports on Form 8-K filed with the SEC.

Someone is using mark-to-market accounting for their profits!

 

[g5000]

Key words, "wants to buy".

Not "has bought".

Actually, "has cut a purchase order for."

They will buy the ammo +/- 10%

The government's explanation is less sinister. Federal solicitations to buy the ammo are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga. The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo - The Denver Post

So, they have a hundred years worth of ammo on order?

Sounds reasonable....

No, they have four to five years of ammo on order. Up to 1.6 billion rounds, which they will never even approach that much. But they get a price discount, and the ammo dealer gets to log profits for 1.6 billion rounds of ammo on their report to stockholders.

They probably have already moved those orders to SPEs.

But you go ahead and wait for them to come getcha and putcha in a FEMA camp!

Looks like irrational mass paranoia is the shape of things to come.

 

[rightwinger]

I have to admit. The conservatives warned us about Obama

Now they have him:

Conducting drone strikes against Americans
Setting up FEMA Death camps
Confiscating all private weapons
Using billions of bullets to kill Americans
Sending tanks down our streets

Good thing we have Political Chic to keep us informed

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, they have four to five years of ammo on order. Up to 1.6 billion rounds, which they will never even approach that much. But they get a price discount, and the ammo dealer gets to log profits for 1.6 billion rounds of ammo on their report to stockholders.

They probably have already moved those orders to SPEs.

But you go ahead and wait for them to come getcha and putcha in a FEMA camp!

Looks like irrational mass paranoia is the shape of things to come.

They'll approach it to within 10%, or pay termination costs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Paranoia is the Right's security blanket.

 

[g5000]

No, they have four to five years of ammo on order. Up to 1.6 billion rounds, which they will never even approach that much. But they get a price discount, and the ammo dealer gets to log profits for 1.6 billion rounds of ammo on their report to stockholders.

They probably have already moved those orders to SPEs.

But you go ahead and wait for them to come getcha and putcha in a FEMA camp!

Looks like irrational mass paranoia is the shape of things to come.

They'll approach it to within 10%, or pay termination costs.

It is an Indefinate Delivery/Indefinite Quantity agreement.

Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity Contracts


Once again:

ATK (NYSE: ATK) announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

Keep trying!

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. DHS has 270,000 personnel including an army of 70,000 armed agents. Among other things, it controls the internet and all communications.
2. An Army manual says Posse Comitatus will be sidestepped by the president so uniformed troops can become national police.
3. FEMA camps are being organized and serviced.
4. The 4th and 10th Amendments are ignored by DHS, and the 2nd Amendment's ‘right to bear arms,' is under vigorous attack.
5. Executive Orders enable the president to control food, utilities, and the internet. When grocery stores are empty, citizens must go to FEMA camps for bread and water. (Leave your guns at the door, please.)
6. A "civilian national security force" that candidate Obama wanted in 2008 is now the DHS, and it takes orders from President Obama.

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