The sources of Trump's wiretap claim are revealed today by the Washington Post

[Care4all]

Just chiming in... anyone read this?

Report: A FISA Warrant Was Issued in October to Investigate Russian Hacking

that's good! it was about time or really too late! what took them so long!?

 

[Ted Frazier]

There is much more proof of the wiretap than of the Trump campaign having any contact related to the election with Russia. In fact there is definitive evidence because of the fact that more information was released about the Flynn conversations than a conversation with anyone in Russia. The content was from more than one conversation and some of it was INCOUNTRY. meaning that it was between two phone lines that were not subject to being tapped unless there was a warrant issued for something. Since there were no existing warrants, there was no way that there could be a real transcript of the parts that were NOT international. Since they inferred the transcripts were TRUE then the violation of The right to be secure in oneself is definitely violated and the felony is VALID, and requires all involved in the sharing of the information to be prosecuted for FELONY CONSPIRACY. So your shithole idea of they didn't do anything!!! is out the door, and IF the Republican congress does not take this chance to file the charges, and try and convict all involved they will lose their only chance to get rid of lying shit liberal FOREVER. WE are going to be rid of this shit by whatever means are needed. You may as well get ready if you try to get over we are going to shove you into a hole you can't climb out of and if the shit in office doesn't do it we will. Americans are tired of liberal thieving lying intimidation, and their smug idea that they are smarter when they are so stupid they are lucky to count their fingers. Liberals especially oshitma-shitbitch supporters are the stupidest most disgustingly vile creatures to ever inhabit the earth, and we should enact retroactive abortion, ask liberal dimshits if they are pro abortion and if they say yes, Give them what they like a retroactive abortion.

Can you point to the evidence of Flynn's conversations with non-Russians being wiretapped? You are adding a new layer of bullshit to this discussion. Don't make stuff up.

 

[JBond]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

The source of your post/claim is a left wing organization, so all else being equal...it proves nothing.

Then again Trump's had how long to name a source, and he did say newspapers shouldn't get away with not naming sources, so, maybe Trump doesn't really have a source at all, other than shitty right wing talk radio hosts.

You make my point...see how easy it is to draw the conclusion that an unnamed source is either a biased one or non-existent...trump is just playing by the same rules the media plays by and that is what makes it easy to justify and why he can get away with it...if they don't like it they can change the rules...until then trump is just balancing the playing field.

Possibly. The difference is that the media is made up of private companies, the President is supposed to represent the people and run one branch of the US govt.

The other point would be that Trump comes out and says something shouldn't happen, and then does it. The media isn't doing that, they're not being hypocritical like Trump is.

The media would never be hypocritical. They would never prep a candidate before a debate by giving them the questions ahead of time. They would never ask a candidate to review and edit any stories published about the candidate, right? Sigh...

 

[Dr Grump]

Are you describing Hillary in her Orange suit?
Seriously you are gonna use ad hominem responses demonizing apponents because you have what? Anger, animosity?
SO MUCH FOR the party of tolerance.
Most hostile angry people I've ever seen.

Demonising? I don't need to. He does a great job all by himself....

 

[OKTexas]

And that explains why a FISA warrant was refused originally,

Prove there WAS a FISA warrant first!

Last November, former British MP and openly anti-Trump journalist Louise Mensch reported that the FBI had succeeded in its second request for a FISA warrant, which was later confirmed by the BBC.

Trump’s Wiretapping Claim Based on Warrants Granted to FBI

 

[Lumpy 1]

Just chiming in... anyone read this?

Report: A FISA Warrant Was Issued in October to Investigate Russian Hacking

that's good! it was about time or really too late! what took them so long!?

.. eh, I'm just happy that all your fake news sources have to figure out a way to lie about their

lying hate filled propaganda ...


So far they've just distracted to .. where's his tax return...

 

[OKTexas]

meanwhile, Jeff Sessions intentionally lied and mislead Congress, under oath...

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!

He answered the question in the context in which it was asked, which was specifically regarding the campaign staff and surrogates. He answered truthfully. The fact that he didn't expand his answer to include contacts connected to his senate duties doesn't mean he lied in relation to what he was doing with the campaign.

Sessions answered a question HE WAS NEVER ASKED, by Franken...

Sessions CHOSE to insert this ''answer'' in to his testimony, even though, Sessions was NEVER ASKED to answer such question.

Sessions intentionally LIED....under oath, to DECEIVE and MISLEAD.

listen to the encounter, Franken never asked him if he met with the Russians, and never asked if other Trump people talkd to Russians...

Franken asked, IF these Trump campaigners DID speak with the Russians and are investigated, what will you do, as AG Jeff Sessions? Franken was HOPING to hear Sessions say,

I WILL RECUSE MYSELF.

Fraken stumbled, mumbled and bumbled an extremely long convoluted question, if Sessions had been smart, he wouldn't have given an answer at all. Instead he should have asked Franken to clarify the question. Franken is worse than you dear leader when he gets off script.

The only problem is Sessions isn't smart!

Right, let's see how coherent you would be in the 11th hour of a hearing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

The source of your post/claim is a left wing organization, so all else being equal...it proves nothing.

Then again Trump's had how long to name a source, and he did say newspapers shouldn't get away with not naming sources, so, maybe Trump doesn't really have a source at all, other than shitty right wing talk radio hosts.

You make my point...see how easy it is to draw the conclusion that an unnamed source is either a biased one or non-existent...trump is just playing by the same rules the media plays by and that is what makes it easy to justify and why he can get away with it...if they don't like it they can change the rules...until then trump is just balancing the playing field.

Possibly. The difference is that the media is made up of private companies, the President is supposed to represent the people and run one branch of the US govt.

The other point would be that Trump comes out and says something shouldn't happen, and then does it. The media isn't doing that, they're not being hypocritical like Trump is.

The media would never be hypocritical. They would never prep a candidate before a debate by giving them the questions ahead of time. They would never ask a candidate to review and edit any stories published about the candidate, right? Sigh...

The point I made, which you completely ignored, sigh, is that the media didn't come out and start telling everyone that things have to be done in a certain way, and then not do them. The media hasn't been hypocritical. They're private companies, everyone knows they're biased towards one party or another and people buy their media based on this. Trump on the other hand says "the media should always show their sources" and then comes up with things, many times, without any sources to back up his claims. Hmmm.....

The fact that you have debates on news channels with a political bias should be quite clear to people in the first place. If they're not clear, then they need a brain.

 

[OKTexas]

meanwhile, Jeff Sessions intentionally lied and mislead Congress, under oath...

He answered the question in the context in which it was asked, which was specifically regarding the campaign staff and surrogates. He answered truthfully. The fact that he didn't expand his answer to include contacts connected to his senate duties doesn't mean he lied in relation to what he was doing with the campaign.

The question was 'what would you do if you found out Trump affiliates were communicating with the Russians?" Sessions didn't answer what he would do, but instead went on a side rant saying "I didn't, I did not have any communications with the russians"

He asked about people on Trumps campaign, not just any affiliates, and to paraphrase his answer, he wasn't aware of anyone doing so and he hadn't done so himself.

 

[OKTexas]

He answered the question in the context in which it was asked, which was specifically regarding the campaign staff and surrogates. He answered truthfully. The fact that he didn't expand his answer to include contacts connected to his senate duties doesn't mean he lied in relation to what he was doing with the campaign.

He answered the question in the context in which it was asked, which was specifically regarding the campaign staff and surrogates.

Except of course, he didn't. Not even close.
Sessions answered a question he was never asked. Franken never asked him if he had met with Russian officials.

You claim that you're interested in details but ignore the most important ones in favor of BS.

I see you're up on the latest talking points.

You're straight up full of shit.

Please provide the video of Franken asking Sessions if he had ever met with Russian officials.

See post # 170

Just Keep your eye on "Russian" questions!!! Money and Espionage! Trump and the boys are getting pretty concerned. Right now Putin has a big smirk-smile on his face.

The regressive fairy tales and conspiracy theories are getting as crazy as they are. LMAO

 

[Lumpy 1]

From my previous link...Report: A FISA Warrant Was Issued in October to Investigate Russian Hacking

Barack Obama's Trump Tower Wiretap Denial Reeks of Orwellian Doublespeak

The weaponized leaks were facilitated by Obama in one of his last acts before leaving office, PJ Media's Michael Walsh reported last month, citing the New York Times:

In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

This expansion of power has resulted in a geiser of disinformation spread by Democrat loyalists throughout the intel community. According to Carter and Solomon, "intelligence normally reserved for just a handful of intelligence leaders was spread through briefings to scores of workers, and soon leaks began appearing in news media."

Carter and Solomon's sources, for instance, "strongly disputed" the media narrative that the FBI’s intercepts of conversations in December between soon-to-to-be U.S. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were part of an ongoing Trump-focused national security investigation.

In fact, they were part of a long-established special intelligence program in which the FBI is routinely permitted to review intercepts of Russian embassy officials.

The leak of the telephone conversation between Flynn and the Russian ambassador reportedly alarmed career FBI officials because they "knew it had been gathered using the most sensitive of surveillance powers." The inspector general of the Department of Justice is now investigating the FBI and the DOJ to find out who committed this felony under the Espionage Act.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Phone call occurred in Trump Tower.
The Washington Post was given a Transcript of it.
That Act was a Felony because the only way anyone was able to gain a transcript of such a call was through a Wire Tap. This was classified information, and FISA and wire taps of any sort are not supposed to be used against American Citizens, and since Flynn committed no crimes, exactly what was "The Probable Cause" for such a wire tap?

So is Clapper lying when he said there was no Wire Tapping at Trump Tower?
He already lied to congress once: Eric Snowden Proved that.

Or was he lying when he said there is no Collusion between the Trump team and Russia?

Please answer the questions.

And then answer this: Where is Waldo?

Obama Bin Lying is an opinionated ahole. So why hasn't he come out of his bunker with Valerie Vagina Jarret and denied the wire tapping story?

And Where is Big Mouth Hillary Rotten Clinton to throw her two cents in?
Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump - The Washington Post

How about Jill "Doesn't Shave Her Armpits" Stein? She loves the spotlight, so why is she in hiding? She doesn't have an opinion on this?

Trump Tower was not wire tapped. The Russian ambassador was. When he talked with contacts in Trump Tower those conversations were naturally recorded. Just like the ambassador's conversations with other people in other places (and no, those places weren't wiretapped either)

Yeah.....I hear that's the latest excuse the Obama people are giving.
It wasn't Trump they were spying on....it was the Russians.
I guess if you're a lib that shit makes sense to you.

The facts make sense. If it was Trump being spied on...well...all he has to do is offer up his "proof" but he's walking it back isn't he?

No.

 

[edthecynic]

Just chiming in... anyone read this?

Report: A FISA Warrant Was Issued in October to Investigate Russian Hacking

If PJMedia fake news says it you know it is a lie.

 

[12icer]

I don't understand why the leftist shitheads don't understand plain language, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE of the TRUMP campaign having ANY ties to RUSSIAN HACKING!!!!! Meanwhile the oshitasss camp is FULL OF COMMUNIST.
(START CP)
Obama's Top Adviser Valerie Jarrett: Her Dad, Maternal Grandpa, and Father-in-Law Were 'Hardcore Communists'
By Michael W. Chapman | March 7, 2017 | 1:13 PM EST

Former President Barack Obama and

his top adviser, Valerie Jarrett. (AP)

FBI files obtained by the government watchdog group Judicial Watch reveal that the father, maternal grandfather, and father-in-law of President Barack Obama's closest adviser, Valerie Jarrett, "were hardcore Communists under investigation by the U.S. government."


Valerie Jarrett, who served as President Obama's senior adviser and as director of the Office of Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs at the White House (2009-2017), reportedly recently moved in to the Obama home in Northwest D.C. Jarrett was divorced in 1988 and has not remarried.

According to Judicial Watch, Jarrett's father, Dr. James E. Bowman, a pathologist and geneticist, "had extensive ties to Communist associations and individuals." The FBI files obtained by Judicial Watch show that "in 1950, Bowman was in communication with a paid Soviet agent Alfred Stern, who fled to Prague after getting charged with espionage."

Dr. James Bowman (1923-2011),

father of Valerie Jarrett. (U of Chicago)

As the New York Times reported, Alfred Stern and his wife, Martha Dodd Stern, "were indicted in absentia on espionage charges on Sept. 9, 1957.The indictment charged them with conspiring to act as Soviet agents, receiving American military, commercial and industrial information and transmitting it to the Soviet Union. The indictment charged that they used their house in Ridgefield, Conn., for meetings with Soviet agents."

Dr. James Bowman "was also a member of a Communist-sympathizing group called the Association of Internes and Medical Students," reported Judicial Watch. "After his discharge from the Army Medical Corps in 1955, Bowman moved to Iran to work." Valerie Jarret was born in Iran on Nov. 14, 1956.




The Association of Internes and Medical Students, according to the FBI files, is a group that "has long been a faithful follower of the Communist Party line." Bowman had "deep ties to Chicago," reported Judicial Watch, "where he often collaborated with fellow Communists."

Judicial Watch further stated that the Jarrett family Communist ties "also include a business partnership between Jarrett's maternal grandpa, Robert Rochon Taylor (1899-1957) and [Alfred] Stern, the Soviet agent associated with her dad."

Alfred Stern and his wife, Martha Dodd Stern. (Public domain.)

Valerie Jarrett's father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett (1917-2004), "was also another big-time Chicago Communist," according to FBI files obtained by Judicial Watch. "For a period of time Vernon Jarrett appeared on the FBI's Security Index and was considered a potential Communist saboteur who was to be arrested in the event of a conflict with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)," reported Judicial Watch.

According to the FBI documents, Vernon Jarrett's job was to "write propaganda for a Communist Party front group in Chicago that would 'disseminate the Communist Party line among ... the middle class."

"Faithful to her roots, [Valerie Jarrett] still has connections to many Communist and extremist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood," said Judicial Watch. "Jarrett and her family also had strong ties to Frank Marshall Davis, a big Obama mentor and Communist Party member with an extensive FBI file."

Frank Marshall Davis. (Fair Use -- Wikipedia)

Davis was a sexual libertine and long-time friend of Barack Obama's mother Ann Dunham and her father, Stanley Dunham. Barack Obama wrote fondly of Davis and their many encounters in his book, Dreams From My Father.

Judicial Watch further reported that it obtained public records in 2014 that show Valerie Jarrett "was a key player in the effort to cover up that Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress about the Fast and Furious, a disastrous experiment in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allowed guns from the U.S. to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels."

Under the dictatorial reigns of Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin, an estimated 30 million people were killed in the Soviet Union. Stalin was also instrumental in helping to launch World War II by invading Poland in 1939 with his ally Nazi Germany.

American Communists supported the alliance between Hitler and Stalin and argued that the United States should stay out of WWII. That position changed in June 1941 when Hitler turned on his ally Stalin and invaded Russia.

(END CP)

 

[edthecynic]

And that explains why a FISA warrant was refused originally,

Prove there WAS a FISA warrant first!

Last November, former British MP and openly anti-Trump journalist Louise Mensch reported that the FBI had succeeded in its second request for a FISA warrant, which was later confirmed by the BBC.

Trump’s Wiretapping Claim Based on Warrants Granted to FBI

All that was confirmed was Trump's declared worthless "unnamed sources."

From the BBC:

"On 15 October, the US secret intelligence court issued a warrant to investigate two Russian banks. This news was given to me by several sources and corroborated by someone I will identify only as a senior member of the US intelligence community."

 

[RASTAMEN]

There is much more proof of the wiretap than of the Trump campaign having any contact related to the election with Russia. In fact there is definitive evidence because of the fact that more information was released about the Flynn conversations than a conversation with anyone in Russia. The content was from more than one conversation and some of it was INCOUNTRY. meaning that it was between two phone lines that were not subject to being tapped unless there was a warrant issued for something. Since there were no existing warrants, there was no way that there could be a real transcript of the parts that were NOT international. Since they inferred the transcripts were TRUE then the violation of The right to be secure in oneself is definitely violated and the felony is VALID, and requires all involved in the sharing of the information to be prosecuted for FELONY CONSPIRACY. So your shithole idea of they didn't do anything!!! is out the door, and IF the Republican congress does not take this chance to file the charges, and try and convict all involved they will lose their only chance to get rid of lying shit liberal FOREVER. WE are going to be rid of this shit by whatever means are needed. You may as well get ready if you try to get over we are going to shove you into a hole you can't climb out of and if the shit in office doesn't do it we will. Americans are tired of liberal thieving lying intimidation, and their smug idea that they are smarter when they are so stupid they are lucky to count their fingers. Liberals especially oshitma-shitbitch supporters are the stupidest most disgustingly vile creatures to ever inhabit the earth, and we should enact retroactive abortion, ask liberal dimshits if they are pro abortion and if they say yes, Give them what they like a retroactive abortion.

 

[RASTAMEN]

Drip.....Drip....Drip! Trump's and the GOP Achilles heel!!!!!!!

 

[RASTAMEN]

The Phone call occurred in Trump Tower.
The Washington Post was given a Transcript of it.
That Act was a Felony because the only way anyone was able to gain a transcript of such a call was through a Wire Tap. This was classified information, and FISA and wire taps of any sort are not supposed to be used against American Citizens, and since Flynn committed no crimes, exactly what was "The Probable Cause" for such a wire tap?

So is Clapper lying when he said there was no Wire Tapping at Trump Tower?
He already lied to congress once: Eric Snowden Proved that.

Or was he lying when he said there is no Collusion between the Trump team and Russia?

Please answer the questions.

And then answer this: Where is Waldo?

Obama Bin Lying is an opinionated ahole. So why hasn't he come out of his bunker with Valerie Vagina Jarret and denied the wire tapping story?

And Where is Big Mouth Hillary Rotten Clinton to throw her two cents in?
Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump - The Washington Post

How about Jill "Doesn't Shave Her Armpits" Stein? She loves the spotlight, so why is she in hiding? She doesn't have an opinion on this?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

meanwhile, Jeff Sessions intentionally lied and mislead Congress, under oath...

He answered the question in the context in which it was asked, which was specifically regarding the campaign staff and surrogates. He answered truthfully. The fact that he didn't expand his answer to include contacts connected to his senate duties doesn't mean he lied in relation to what he was doing with the campaign.

The question was 'what would you do if you found out Trump affiliates were communicating with the Russians?" Sessions didn't answer what he would do, but instead went on a side rant saying "I didn't, I did not have any communications with the russians"

He asked about people on Trumps campaign, not just any affiliates, and to paraphrase his answer, he wasn't aware of anyone doing so and he hadn't done so himself.

Which turned out to be a demonstrably false answer.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Just chiming in... anyone read this?

Report: A FISA Warrant Was Issued in October to Investigate Russian Hacking

If PJMedia fake news says it you know it is a lie.

Actually , I'm not familiar PJMedia but they're not spitting venom so I know they're not lefty propagandists at least...