The South Carolina incident & enabling

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Not much discussion on this thread pertaining to the OP.

For those of you who are avoiding saying anything negative about the girl - even though this incident would not have occurred had she just followed instructions - do you feel that your refusal to hold her accountable for her actions contributes in any way to further poor behavior?
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[Mac1958]

Not much discussion on this thread pertaining to the OP. For those of you who are avoiding saying anything negative about the girl - even though this incident would not have occurred had she just followed instructions - do you feel that your refusal to hold her accountable for her actions contributes in any way to further poor behavior?.

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One of them admitted on another thread that he's not going to "take the bait".

These people don't care about the girl. They don't care what their enabling does to her life.

Nasty.
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[LoneLaugher]

Not much discussion on this thread pertaining to the OP.

For those of you who are avoiding saying anything negative about the girl - even though this incident would not have occurred had she just followed instructions - do you feel that your refusal to hold her accountable for her actions contributes in any way to further poor behavior?
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Nobody is avoiding saying negative things about the girl. We have universally called her a bitch, an asshole and a loser. She absolutely acted like a fool and she absolutely needs some form of attitude adjustment.

Earmuffs, ya passive aggressive bitch, ya.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Not much discussion on this thread pertaining to the OP. For those of you who are avoiding saying anything negative about the girl - even though this incident would not have occurred had she just followed instructions - do you feel that your refusal to hold her accountable for her actions contributes in any way to further poor behavior?.

<<======= LEFTISTS | RESPONSIBILITY =========>>

One of them admitted on another thread that he's not going to "take the bait".

These people don't care about the girl. They don't care what their enabling does to her life.

Nasty.
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"One of them"? That's awesome. You wouldn't be engaging in identity politics, would you? Ya fucking loser.

Oh........I forgot...........earmuffs.

 

[Old Rocks]

I wonder how many people will agree with this one.

The officer in the South Carolina incident, the one who grabbed the student and tossed her on the floor, clearly broke rules and has to pay the price. From the moment he touched her, he is responsible for everything he did. Period.

If I said otherwise, if I tried to spin or deflect for this guy, I would essentially be enabling his poor behavior. he would know that someone was covering for him in the future. I would be lying if I denied that.

Now, at the same time, the girl in the story had several opportunities to simply follow clear & reasonable instructions. If she had simply followed instructions at any of several points in this story, the officer would not have touched her.

If I said otherwise, if I tried to spin or deflect for this girl, I would essentially be enabling her poor behavior. she would know that someone was covering for her in the future. I would be lying if I denied that.

Do we agree? Does spinning and deflecting for poor behavior run a clear risk of enabling more in the future?
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Absolutely correct.

The problem is that one is an adolescent juvenile, the other an adult and an officer of the law. Clearly a differance in expected behavior.

 

[dannyboys]

I wonder how many people will agree with this one.

The officer in the South Carolina incident, the one who grabbed the student and tossed her on the floor, clearly broke rules and has to pay the price. From the moment he touched her, he is responsible for everything he did. Period.

If I said otherwise, if I tried to spin or deflect for this guy, I would essentially be enabling his poor behavior. he would know that someone was covering for him in the future. I would be lying if I denied that.

Now, at the same time, the girl in the story had several opportunities to simply follow clear & reasonable instructions. If she had simply followed instructions at any of several points in this story, the officer would not have touched her.

If I said otherwise, if I tried to spin or deflect for this girl, I would essentially be enabling her poor behavior. she would know that someone was covering for her in the future. I would be lying if I denied that.

Do we agree? Does spinning and deflecting for poor behavior run a clear risk of enabling more in the future?
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Absolutely correct.

The problem is that one is an adolescent juvenile, the other an adult and an officer of the law. Clearly a differance in expected behavior.

Bullshit!
The vast majority of "adolescents" behave decently, respectfully towards each other and those around them. They are taught this behaviour by parents who understand that to enjoy a decent peaceful successful life you start by behaving yourself.
Those you are not raised with these common core values inevitably have problems in life.

 

[Godboy]

Having hind sight, what they should have done was take all the other kids out of the classroom, turn off the lights, and wait for her to leave out of boredom, then expel her.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Schools won't restrict students from having cell phones with them unless there is a big problem with it. There is not a widespread problem, and you don't make rules based on the bad behavior of a few. What were you restricted from bringing to school that you wanted to have in school? Individual schools have individual dress codes. I doubt there are any school that allow weapons, drugs, or alcohol. What were you denied?

We were not allowed to bring music devices (walkmen and discmen), any sort of electronic gaming device, or pretty much any other electronic device of that era.

In my father's days they brought shotguns/rifles to school in irder to hunt on the way home from school.

Never stopped me...I brought a Walkman to school pretty much every day in high school.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Ever been driving and come upon a road crew doing blasting? The first sign you read half a mile away is to turn off your cell phone.

Yes, a throwback to the days of analog cell phones. The last time I saw a blasting crew, one of them was on his cell phone!

 

[Anathema]

Never stopped me...I brought a Walkman to school pretty much every day in high school.

That would have been an expensive habit where I went to school.... $20 a day Walkman habit, x 180 school days = $3600 a year. Wow. Though having 180 Walkmans at the end of the year might have been cool.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Not much discussion on this thread pertaining to the OP. For those of you who are avoiding saying anything negative about the girl - even though this incident would not have occurred had she just followed instructions - do you feel that your refusal to hold her accountable for her actions contributes in any way to further poor behavior?.

<<======= LEFTISTS | RESPONSIBILITY =========>>

One of them admitted on another thread that he's not going to "take the bait".

These people don't care about the girl. They don't care what their enabling does to her life.

Nasty.
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I figure she's already a lost cause...just give her $10K if she gets a tubal legation.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Never stopped me...I brought a Walkman to school pretty much every day in high school.

That would have been an expensive habit where I went to school.... $20 a day Walkman habit, x 180 school days = $3600 a year. Wow. Though having 180 Walkmans at the end of the year might have been cool.

Not as expensive as what I did to the last guy that fucked with me. I think the repairs to his brand-new car cost close to $5K.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Having hind sight, what they should have done was take all the other kids out of the classroom, turn off the lights, and wait for her to leave out of boredom, then expel her.

When someone is refusing to leave a property in which they are no longer welcome, eventually force must be used

 

[candycorn]

This whole thing is blown out of proportion. Escalating imagined cops vs. people of color. The kid was unruly, faculty could not handle her therefore they called the resource officer to remove her from class. She did not follow lawful orders issued by authorities (faculty as authority in the school and police officer as authority at large) The officer tried to remove her from class and after she struck the officer she got jerked out of the chair and slammed to the floor during a resisting "arrest." I do not understand what the problem is.

Had someone done that to your kid, you'd be rightfully outraged.

 

[candycorn]

The thread illustrates why it is usually the kids of the gun nuts who go around shooting up schools; Obviously the conservative commentators here have zero idea how to raise children. Is anyone surprised that after being "slammed to the ground" figuratively that someone like Adam Lanza, Dylann Roof,Chris Mercer would grow up warped, grab mommy's weapons (or the weapons Mommy and Daddy bought for them to breed a new generation of gun nuts) and do some damage?

 

[defcon4]

This whole thing is blown out of proportion. Escalating imagined cops vs. people of color. The kid was unruly, faculty could not handle her therefore they called the resource officer to remove her from class. She did not follow lawful orders issued by authorities (faculty as authority in the school and police officer as authority at large) The officer tried to remove her from class and after she struck the officer she got jerked out of the chair and slammed to the floor during a resisting "arrest." I do not understand what the problem is.

Had someone done that to your kid, you'd be rightfully outraged.

Had somebody done that to my kid is kindergarten shit what I would have done to him coming home after defying authority be it school or police...

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

What I saw in the video, Mac, was an officer trained to arrest criminals. The officer was not trained to discipline students and that is where the trouble lies. The school system is using police officers for situations where they are not needed.

The student should have been left in her chair while the teacher asked the principal to send help in escorting the class to the library or another classroom not in use. The student who refused to get up could be left in the classroom for the remainder of the day until her guardian / parent came to take her home.

At that point the principal could decide on the length of suspension (with notification that a repeat offense will result in her being expelled from the school). If the student had attempted to leave the classroom after the other students had left then I would consider the principal had the right to expel her from the school.

You cannot sacrifice the entire classroom for one student who is challenging the authority of the teacher, the principal and in this case, a police officer. The classroom should be a place of order. Not chaos.

The point at which she refused to leave her chair at the request of law enforcement, after the school had applied its extent of leverage, the matter became a legal issue and no longer a school issue. That was public property and she was in violation.
The kid is a juvenile offender.

 

[dannyboys]

What I saw in the video, Mac, was an officer trained to arrest criminals. The officer was not trained to discipline students and that is where the trouble lies. The school system is using police officers for situations where they are not needed.

The student should have been left in her chair while the teacher asked the principal to send help in escorting the class to the library or another classroom not in use. The student who refused to get up could be left in the classroom for the remainder of the day until her guardian / parent came to take her home.

At that point the principal could decide on the length of suspension (with notification that a repeat offense will result in her being expelled from the school). If the student had attempted to leave the classroom after the other students had left then I would consider the principal had the right to expel her from the school.

You cannot sacrifice the entire classroom for one student who is challenging the authority of the teacher, the principal and in this case, a police officer. The classroom should be a place of order. Not chaos.

The point at which she refused to leave her chair at the request of law enforcement, after the school had applied its extent of leverage, the matter became a legal issue and no longer a school issue. That was public property and she was in violation.
The kid is a juvenile offender.

Wait until the feral brat is locked up. She'll wish she was dead........unless she likes pussy with her cat food sandwiches.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

What I saw in the video, Mac, was an officer trained to arrest criminals. The officer was not trained to discipline students and that is where the trouble lies. The school system is using police officers for situations where they are not needed.

The student should have been left in her chair while the teacher asked the principal to send help in escorting the class to the library or another classroom not in use. The student who refused to get up could be left in the classroom for the remainder of the day until her guardian / parent came to take her home.

At that point the principal could decide on the length of suspension (with notification that a repeat offense will result in her being expelled from the school). If the student had attempted to leave the classroom after the other students had left then I would consider the principal had the right to expel her from the school.

You cannot sacrifice the entire classroom for one student who is challenging the authority of the teacher, the principal and in this case, a police officer. The classroom should be a place of order. Not chaos.

The point at which she refused to leave her chair at the request of law enforcement, after the school had applied its extent of leverage, the matter became a legal issue and no longer a school issue. That was public property and she was in violation.
The kid is a juvenile offender.

Right. Let me try this one more time. Law enforcement officers were trained to enforce the laws of the land. Not the rules of a school that the liberal school system doesn't have the guts to enforce - such as pick up the phone and call the parents - expel her or suspend her but handle the problem - these are adults - paid educators - teachers - school faculty - principal - assistant principal - and no one is capable or willing to enforce the rules that are on the books? Really? And so they resort to hiring a police officer to do their job? I do not believe that is the answer.

Make them do their jobs! Case closed!!

A police officer just had his career destroyed over this nonsense! Enough already! Make them do their jobs.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

What I saw in the video, Mac, was an officer trained to arrest criminals. The officer was not trained to discipline students and that is where the trouble lies. The school system is using police officers for situations where they are not needed.

The student should have been left in her chair while the teacher asked the principal to send help in escorting the class to the library or another classroom not in use. The student who refused to get up could be left in the classroom for the remainder of the day until her guardian / parent came to take her home.

At that point the principal could decide on the length of suspension (with notification that a repeat offense will result in her being expelled from the school). If the student had attempted to leave the classroom after the other students had left then I would consider the principal had the right to expel her from the school.

You cannot sacrifice the entire classroom for one student who is challenging the authority of the teacher, the principal and in this case, a police officer. The classroom should be a place of order. Not chaos.

The point at which she refused to leave her chair at the request of law enforcement, after the school had applied its extent of leverage, the matter became a legal issue and no longer a school issue. That was public property and she was in violation.
The kid is a juvenile offender.

Right. Let me try this one more time. Law enforcement officers were trained to enforce the laws of the land. Not the rules of a school that the liberal school system doesn't have the guts to enforce - such as pick up the phone and call the parents - expel her or suspend her but handle the problem - these are adults - paid educators - teachers - school faculty - principal - assistant principal - and no one is capable or willing to enforce the rules that are on the books? Really? And so they resort to hiring a police officer to do their job? I do not believe that is the answer.

Make them do their jobs! Case closed!!

A police officer just had his career destroyed over this nonsense! Enough already! Make them do their jobs.

The school has no authority to apply physical force. At that point it is a law enforcement issue and is beyond school jurisdiction.