The Steele Dossier: How Does it Hold Up?

[georgephillip]

Compared to the web of lies Trump has spun since becoming POTUS, Steele and Mueller have my vote.

Mueller makes rare mention of Trump dossier author

"In a document filed Friday night, Mueller’s team responded, arguing that Steele’s actions don't 'remotely compare' to the 'systematic, deceptive effort' by the allegedly Concord-backed Russian social media trolls attempting to interfere in the 2016 election.

"It's a rare allusion to Steele by Mueller's team.

"The former spy has become the subject of fierce attacks by Trump and his allies for the claims in his dossier, which Trump has rejected as fabricated.

"The dossier alleges a years-long connection between Trump and Russia, leading to a conspiracy to help Trump win the 2016 election.

"The Justice Department relied — in part — on Steele's dossier to help obtain a surveillance warrant in late 2016 on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page."

The Dossier, without any doubt in my mind will reveal a conspiracy between Trump and Russia, and expose this illegal election for what it was when his investigation is over. There is just to much evidence pointing in that direction.

From one year ago:

The Rosneft Commission: Trump’s Inevitable Downfall Will Involve Money, and Lots Of It..."

The Rosneft Commission: Trump’s Inevitable Downfall Will Involve Money, and Lots Of It

"THAT THERE WAS COLLUSION, in the popular if not legal use of the world, between the Trump campaign and Putin’s Russia is now impossible to deny.

"Manafort and Gates are indicted.

"Papadopoulos, the liaison between the campaign and the Russians, has been cooperating with the feds.

"Junior was on the cover of Time magazine under the headline RED HANDED.

"Flynn may be arrested before I finish typing this paragraph, Cambridge Analytica’s Robert Mercer suddenly divested his interests in Breitbart and his own hedge fund, and Sessions and Kushner both look like they’re in trouble deep, at a minimum."

Personally, I don't believe Trump expected to become POTUS. I think he was trying to burnish his brand sufficiently to lure Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity away from Fox and launch Trump TV with those three heavyweights.

There is also Rosneft and Putin and Siberian oil to consider.

I think the oil deal that has been exposed, was/is Trump's biggest prize. This segment back in early 2017, said it all for me. It's long, but boy is it worth it. Erik Prince grows Trump Russia contact list

Prince Erik might have been happier if George III had won?
"Special counsel obtains Trump ally Erik Prince's phones, computer"

Special counsel obtains Trump ally Erik Prince's phones, computer

"Prince, America’s most famous private military contractor, acknowledged last week that he 'cooperated' with Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election after falling under scrutiny amid questions about an alleged effort to establish a backchannel between the Trump administration and the Kremlin, something Prince has vehemently denied."

Deny all he wants. But he didn't just wander over to the Seychelle's Islands for no reason.

Prince describes himself as a libertarian.[28] He has said, "I'm a very free market guy. I'm not a huge believer that government provides a whole lot of solutions. Some think that government can solve society's problems. I tend to think private charities and private organizations are better solutions."[51]
Erik Prince - Wikipedia

"Prince credits his time as a White House intern with some of his political views. He said that 'having that White House internship responsibility and badges, I walked around some of these other cavernous federal agencies, and you want to talk about depressing? Walk through HHS or HUD or Commerce, you name it. Leviathan realized.'[51]

"Speaking of his internship, Prince said, 'I saw a lot of things I didn't agree with--homosexual groups being invited in, the budget agreement, the Clean Air Act.' Disenchanted, Prince became a backer of presidential candidate Pat Buchanan.[52]

"Prince has advocated for a leaner, more efficient military. He suggests several ways to make the military more efficient without compromising security.

"His suggestions include: greater accountability of costs, using appropriate equipment for each job, reduction of overhead, and operational and procurement reform."

Prince is one of those "free market guys" who believe markets should be free of any regulations preventing income streams with no counterpart in cost incurred by those "earning" the income.

He and Trump are the epitome of "free lunch" success stories.

 

[georgephillip]

In the mean time, not sure who hijacked the thread so many pages back, but no one on the Right has ever mounted a challenge against the accuracy of the Steele Dossier. The parts that have been investigated that is. So far, no one has been able to prove it is a lie, or an opinion. The information, according to investigators, matches its reporting against the evidence. Which is all that matters.

Compared to the web of lies Trump has spun since becoming POTUS, Steele and Mueller have my vote.

Mueller makes rare mention of Trump dossier author

"In a document filed Friday night, Mueller’s team responded, arguing that Steele’s actions don't 'remotely compare' to the 'systematic, deceptive effort' by the allegedly Concord-backed Russian social media trolls attempting to interfere in the 2016 election.

"It's a rare allusion to Steele by Mueller's team.

"The former spy has become the subject of fierce attacks by Trump and his allies for the claims in his dossier, which Trump has rejected as fabricated.

"The dossier alleges a years-long connection between Trump and Russia, leading to a conspiracy to help Trump win the 2016 election.

"The Justice Department relied — in part — on Steele's dossier to help obtain a surveillance warrant in late 2016 on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page."

The Dossier, without any doubt in my mind will reveal a conspiracy between Trump and Russia, and expose this illegal election for what it was when his investigation is over. There is just to much evidence pointing in that direction.

LOL

2 years, shredded attorney client privilege.

And Mueller has got NOTHING connecting Putin to Trump

NOTHING

NOTHING

Mueller has probably amassed a million pages of evidence. How much of that have you read?

 

[BWK]

The Dossier, without any doubt in my mind will reveal a conspiracy between Trump and Russia, and expose this illegal election for what it was when his investigation is over. There is just to much evidence pointing in that direction.

From one year ago:

The Rosneft Commission: Trump’s Inevitable Downfall Will Involve Money, and Lots Of It..."

The Rosneft Commission: Trump’s Inevitable Downfall Will Involve Money, and Lots Of It

"THAT THERE WAS COLLUSION, in the popular if not legal use of the world, between the Trump campaign and Putin’s Russia is now impossible to deny.

"Manafort and Gates are indicted.

"Papadopoulos, the liaison between the campaign and the Russians, has been cooperating with the feds.

"Junior was on the cover of Time magazine under the headline RED HANDED.

"Flynn may be arrested before I finish typing this paragraph, Cambridge Analytica’s Robert Mercer suddenly divested his interests in Breitbart and his own hedge fund, and Sessions and Kushner both look like they’re in trouble deep, at a minimum."

Personally, I don't believe Trump expected to become POTUS. I think he was trying to burnish his brand sufficiently to lure Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity away from Fox and launch Trump TV with those three heavyweights.

There is also Rosneft and Putin and Siberian oil to consider.

I think the oil deal that has been exposed, was/is Trump's biggest prize. This segment back in early 2017, said it all for me. It's long, but boy is it worth it. Erik Prince grows Trump Russia contact list

Prince Erik might have been happier if George III had won?
"Special counsel obtains Trump ally Erik Prince's phones, computer"

Special counsel obtains Trump ally Erik Prince's phones, computer

"Prince, America’s most famous private military contractor, acknowledged last week that he 'cooperated' with Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election after falling under scrutiny amid questions about an alleged effort to establish a backchannel between the Trump administration and the Kremlin, something Prince has vehemently denied."

Deny all he wants. But he didn't just wander over to the Seychelle's Islands for no reason.

Prince describes himself as a libertarian.[28] He has said, "I'm a very free market guy. I'm not a huge believer that government provides a whole lot of solutions. Some think that government can solve society's problems. I tend to think private charities and private organizations are better solutions."[51]
Erik Prince - Wikipedia

"Prince credits his time as a White House intern with some of his political views. He said that 'having that White House internship responsibility and badges, I walked around some of these other cavernous federal agencies, and you want to talk about depressing? Walk through HHS or HUD or Commerce, you name it. Leviathan realized.'[51]

"Speaking of his internship, Prince said, 'I saw a lot of things I didn't agree with--homosexual groups being invited in, the budget agreement, the Clean Air Act.' Disenchanted, Prince became a backer of presidential candidate Pat Buchanan.[52]

"Prince has advocated for a leaner, more efficient military. He suggests several ways to make the military more efficient without compromising security.

"His suggestions include: greater accountability of costs, using appropriate equipment for each job, reduction of overhead, and operational and procurement reform."

Prince is one of those "free market guys" who believe markets should be free of any regulations preventing income streams with no counterpart in cost incurred by those "earning" the income.

He and Trump are the epitome of "free lunch" success stories.

They talk that talk because they came from inherited money. And what better way to maximize profits than to hold government hostage, while folks like Prince try to commander all the privatization that war has to offer.

In other words, Prince is promoting Prince, just as Trump is promoting Trump. They aren't about free markets. They are about monopolies.

 

[georgephillip]

From one year ago:

The Rosneft Commission: Trump’s Inevitable Downfall Will Involve Money, and Lots Of It..."

The Rosneft Commission: Trump’s Inevitable Downfall Will Involve Money, and Lots Of It

"THAT THERE WAS COLLUSION, in the popular if not legal use of the world, between the Trump campaign and Putin’s Russia is now impossible to deny.

"Manafort and Gates are indicted.

"Papadopoulos, the liaison between the campaign and the Russians, has been cooperating with the feds.

"Junior was on the cover of Time magazine under the headline RED HANDED.

"Flynn may be arrested before I finish typing this paragraph, Cambridge Analytica’s Robert Mercer suddenly divested his interests in Breitbart and his own hedge fund, and Sessions and Kushner both look like they’re in trouble deep, at a minimum."

Personally, I don't believe Trump expected to become POTUS. I think he was trying to burnish his brand sufficiently to lure Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity away from Fox and launch Trump TV with those three heavyweights.

There is also Rosneft and Putin and Siberian oil to consider.

I think the oil deal that has been exposed, was/is Trump's biggest prize. This segment back in early 2017, said it all for me. It's long, but boy is it worth it. Erik Prince grows Trump Russia contact list

Prince Erik might have been happier if George III had won?
"Special counsel obtains Trump ally Erik Prince's phones, computer"

Special counsel obtains Trump ally Erik Prince's phones, computer

"Prince, America’s most famous private military contractor, acknowledged last week that he 'cooperated' with Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election after falling under scrutiny amid questions about an alleged effort to establish a backchannel between the Trump administration and the Kremlin, something Prince has vehemently denied."

Deny all he wants. But he didn't just wander over to the Seychelle's Islands for no reason.

Prince describes himself as a libertarian.[28] He has said, "I'm a very free market guy. I'm not a huge believer that government provides a whole lot of solutions. Some think that government can solve society's problems. I tend to think private charities and private organizations are better solutions."[51]
Erik Prince - Wikipedia

"Prince credits his time as a White House intern with some of his political views. He said that 'having that White House internship responsibility and badges, I walked around some of these other cavernous federal agencies, and you want to talk about depressing? Walk through HHS or HUD or Commerce, you name it. Leviathan realized.'[51]

"Speaking of his internship, Prince said, 'I saw a lot of things I didn't agree with--homosexual groups being invited in, the budget agreement, the Clean Air Act.' Disenchanted, Prince became a backer of presidential candidate Pat Buchanan.[52]

"Prince has advocated for a leaner, more efficient military. He suggests several ways to make the military more efficient without compromising security.

"His suggestions include: greater accountability of costs, using appropriate equipment for each job, reduction of overhead, and operational and procurement reform."

Prince is one of those "free market guys" who believe markets should be free of any regulations preventing income streams with no counterpart in cost incurred by those "earning" the income.

He and Trump are the epitome of "free lunch" success stories.

They talk that talk because they came from inherited money. And what better way to maximize profits than to hold government hostage, while folks like Prince try to commander all the privatization that war has to offer.

In other words, Prince is promoting Prince, just as Trump is promoting Trump. They aren't about free markets. They are about monopolies.

Parasites like Trump and Prince blur the line between earned and unearned income; Trump compounds the crime by extorting taxpayers to bid up his asset class (real estate)

Paul Craig Roberts on Junk Economics | Michael Hudson

"Classical economists defined 'unearned income' as 'economic rent.'

"This is not the rent that you pay for your apartment.

Economic rent is an income stream that has no counterpart in cost incurred by the receipient of the income stream.

"For example, when a public authority, say the city of Alexandria, Virginia, decides to connect Alexandria with Washington, D.C., and with itself, with a subway paid for with public money, the owners of property along the subway line experience a rise in property values.

"They owe their increased wealth and their increased incomes from the rental values of their properties to the expenditure of taxpayer dollars.

"If these gains were taxed away, the subway line could have been financed without taxpayers’ money."

 

[ColonelAngus]

I invite any USMB wingnut to show one item that has been proven false, from the Steele Dossier.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Do you guys notice the biggest ahole posters from the cult are always the most WRONG?

Look at that post.

Synthaholic said:
I invite any USMB wingnut to show one item that has been proven false, from the Steele Dossier.


WHERE IS THE PEE PEE TAPE?

Didnt Schiff say he saw it? So where is it?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Published in January of 2017, how much of information made public by Mueller's investigation has buttressed or diminished the essence of Steele's original reporting?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence.

"He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments.

"The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product...."

"With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time.

"In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos.

"We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

"These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."

This thread aged well.

 

[georgephillip]

This thread aged well.

My opinion of the Steele dossier has changed several times.

I'm more sure Trump never believed he could win in 2016. He also bragged he could turn a profit by running for POTUS.

If there was any criminal collusion between his campaign and Russia he would have sought to monetize it.

The only evidence that would prove those charges are contained in Trump's financial documents which still await investigation.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...rt-doesnt-cross-red-line-into-trumps-finances

 

[Meathead]

Published in January of 2017, how much of information made public by Mueller's investigation has buttressed or diminished the essence of Steele's original reporting?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence.

"He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments.

"The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product...."

"With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time.

"In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos.

"We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

"These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."

Another thread that's aged as well as a crack whore.

 

[georgephillip]

Another thread that's aged as well as a crack whore.

Or Trump's credibility.

 

[struth]

Or Trump's credibility.

actually it’s threads like this and debunked demafasict propaganda that have made trump look even more credible

 

[georgephillip]

actually it’s threads like this and debunked demafasict propaganda that have made trump look even more credible

Trump's the biggest kleptocrat to ever occupy the Oval Office, and he was a lifelong Democrat before running for POTUS; why did he need to change parties?

PolitiFact | Donald Trump

 

[Godboy]

Or Trump's credibility.

or better yet YOUR credibility!

 

[Godboy]

Trump's the biggest kleptocrat to ever occupy the Oval Office, and he was a lifelong Democrat before running for POTUS; why did he need to change parties?

PolitiFact | Donald Trump

So now your defense is "Trump is a democrat"? Why wasnt he doing democrat things? More importantly, why would democrats hate Trump if he was a democrat? You say some really stupid shit here.

 

[Godboy]

I invite any USMB wingnut to show one item that has been proven false, from the Steele Dossier.

You would think that by now you would stop trusting your political instincts. You are wrong EVERY single time!

 

[struth]

Trump's the biggest kleptocrat to ever occupy the Oval Office, and he was a lifelong Democrat before running for POTUS; why did he need to change parties?

PolitiFact | Donald Trump

he didn’t leave the party…th party left him…the dnc has gone completely demafascist

 

[georgephillip]

So now your defense is "Trump is a democrat"? Why wasnt he doing democrat things? More importantly, why would democrats hate Trump if he was a democrat? You say some really stupid shit here.

Trump was a second generation large dollar donor to the corrupt New York Democratic machine; there weren't enough stupid voters in that party to enable his POTUS ambitions, so he became a Republican. Anyone who would vote for Trump or Biden is either a member of the US investor class or deeply delusional about American politics.

 

[georgephillip]

he didn’t leave the party…th party left him…the dnc has gone completely demafascist

Then why didn't New York Democrats prosecute Trump for tax fraud?

"Attorney Mark Pomerantz leaves court in New York on Sept. 8, 2004.

"Pomerantz, a prosecutor who had been leading a criminal investigation into Donald Trump before quitting last month, said in his resignation letter that he believes the former president is 'guilty of numerous felony violations' and he disagreed with the Manhattan district attorney’s decision not to seek an indictment"

Ex-prosecutor says he believes Trump is 'guilty of numerous felony violations'

 

[Godboy]

Trump was a second generation large dollar donor to the corrupt New York Democratic machine; there weren't enough stupid voters in that party to enable his POTUS ambitions, so he became a Republican. Anyone who would vote for Trump or Biden is either a member of the US investor class or deeply delusional about American politics.

Paying off corrupt left wingers doesnt mean he is a left winger.

 

[struth]

Then why didn't New York Democrats prosecute Trump for tax fraud?

"Attorney Mark Pomerantz leaves court in New York on Sept. 8, 2004.

"Pomerantz, a prosecutor who had been leading a criminal investigation into Donald Trump before quitting last month, said in his resignation letter that he believes the former president is 'guilty of numerous felony violations' and he disagreed with the Manhattan district attorney’s decision not to seek an indictment"

Ex-prosecutor says he believes Trump is 'guilty of numerous felony violations'

oh they tried…don’t you remember? but they had no evidence to get an indictment …they knew that, but continued to harass