The truth about the AR-15 rifle, the most popular rifle in the U.S.

[Rustic]

The AR-15 was designed by the Army to kill Vietcong in the jungles of Vietnam.

It has no business in private hands. Period.

No, it was not dumbass.
Only a clueless idiot would think an AR 15 is any more than a sporting rifle, "AR-15" exclusively for civilian models.
Millions of people would disagree with you. dumb fuck

 

[Skull Pilot]

this article documents the truth about this particular rifle...for some reason anti gunners hate it....more than they hate cars, knives, clubs and bare hands...all of which kill more people every single urea than the AR-15 does...by a lot.......

If it was dead bodies they actually cared about...the anti gunners would have a few AR-15s and get rid of their cars, knives, long heavy objects and amputate their own hands and feet....

The AR-15 in their home is safer...if you care about actual deaths....

What Would It Look Like If The Media Told The Truth About AR-15s?

AR-15s are the most common kind of rifle sold in the United States.
Though the media will never admit it, variation of the AR-15 is by far the most common rifle sold in the United States. While exact figures are hard to pin down for a family of firearms that has been on the civilian market continuously since 1963 and which has been made by dozens of companies, estimates are 8-9 million AR-15 variants in the United States.


The most important fact in this story...and the one the anti gunners can't explain away....


AR-15s sales are up sharply, yet their use in crime is dropping.
Despite sales of AR-15s growing astronomically in recent years, homicides committed with rifles of all kinds are exceedingly rare and continue to plummet. Just 367 murders of 8,874 murders committed in 2010 were committed with any kind of rifle, and murders committed with AR-15s was too rare to bother tracking individually. Rifle homicides dropped to 298 in 2012, and to just 248 in 2014.

AR-15s are not “high-powered.”
Perhaps the most pathetic claim made by the media regarding the AR-15 is that it is “high-powered.” Objectively, that claim is a lie.

The only thing I would argue with is the claim that the AR-15 is not a high powered rifle. While the round it fires is undersized, compared to many other calibers, it is certainly high powered. The 5.56mm steps at between 3300 and 3000 feet per second. That speed allows for some significant energy on impact. What would be your definition of "high powered"?

It would be an exaggeration to call The .223/556 "high powered"... The cartridge most used in ar15 sporting rifles.
Actually it's right on the limit for being too small for game like deer, it will work for deer but it's really a varmit cartridge.

.223 Remington
Index No. Wt. (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Barrel
Length
PRV223RA 50 V-Maxú, Boat Tail 7 1/2 24"
R223R1 55 Pointed Soft Point 7 1/2
R223R2 55 Hollow Point Power-Lokt¨ 7 1/2 24"
R223R3 55 Metal Case 7 1/2
R223R6 62 Hollow Point Match 7 1/2 24"
Velocity (ft./sec.)
Cartridge Muzzle 100
yds. 200
yds. 300
yds. 400
yds. 500
yds.
50 V-MAX 3300 2889 2514 2168 1851 1568
55 PSP 3240 2747 2304 1905 1554 1270
55 V-Max 3240 2773 2352 1969 1627 1341
55 MC 3240 2759 2326 1933 1587 1301
62 HPM 3025 2572 2162 1792 1471 1217
Energy (ft.-lbs.)
Cartridge Muzzle 100
yds. 200
yds. 300
yds. 400
yds. 500
yds.
50 V-MAX 1209 927 701 522 380 273
55 PSP 1282 921 648 443 295 197
55 V-Max 1282 939 675 473 323 220
55 MC 1282 929 660 465 307 207
62 HPM 1260 911 643 442 298 204
Short-RangeÕ Trajectory *
Cartridge 50
yds. 100
yds. 150
yds. 200
yds. 250
yds. 300
yds.
50 V-MAX -0.1 0.5 zero -1.7 -4.8 -9.4
55 PSP -0.1 0.6 zero -2.0 -5.6 -11.2
55 V-Max -0.1 0.6 zero -1.9 -5.4 -10.7
55 MC -0.1 0.6 zero -1.9 -5.5 -11.0
62 HPM 0.2 0.7 zero -2.3 -6.5 -12.9
Long RangeÓ Trajectory *
Cartridge 100
yds. 150
yds. 200
yds. 250
yds. 300
yds. 400
yds. 500
yds.
50 V-MAX -0.1 1.3 zero -2.6 -6.9 -21.2 -45.8
55 PSP 1.6 1.5 zero -3.1 -8.2 -26.2 -58.6
55 V-Max 1.5 1.4 zero -3.0 -7.9 -24.8 -55.1
55 MC 1.6 1.5 zero -3.1 -8.1 -25.5 -57.0
62 HPM 1.9 1.7 zero -3.6 -9.4 -29.9 -66.4

Premier¨ Varmint
Note 1: Bullet does not rise more than 1" above line of sight from muzzle to sighting-in range.
Note 2: Bullet does not rise more than 3" above line of sight from muzzle to sighting-in range.
* Inches above or below line of sight. Hold low for positive numbers, high for negative numbers.

The control freaks think a thrown rock is high powered

 

[Rustic]

The AR-15 is not an M16. No amount of insisting it is will change that.

It's effectively the same weapon. fires the same round, has the same range, etc.

the only difference is that the M16 can be fired on full auto. You have to modify the AR15 in order to do that, which you can do very easily.

The difference between an AR 15 sporting rifle and a true military grade M-16/M4 are like night and day please educate yourself. dumb fuck LOL

 

[Rustic]

It's effectively the same weapon. fires the same round, has the same range, etc.

the only difference is that the M16 can be fired on full auto. You have to modify the AR15 in order to do that, which you can do very easily.

Some gun nutter needs to refute what Joe said. Is the difference between the two rifles that fact that one is fully automatic? Or not? Can the AR be made fully automatic? If so, Joe's right. Again.


But but but. Come on gun nutters. Defend your weapon!

OK, to make said rifle into fully auto what is the process? If you know so much...
How many of these so-called "assault rifles" were used on full auto with these mass shootings recently?
But really, it all comes down to this with nutters like joe and yourself...

 

[Rustic]

No, it is not "effectively the same weapon". Just as a Bic lighter is not a flamethrower.

Easily? No. Get time in prison for it? Yes.

I could probably do it with the right tools. so could most people.

the problem is, the Government allows civilians to buy a weapon that can be easily modified into a weapon of mass destruction, and guys like Joker Holmes can buy it.

tissue?

 

[Rustic]

If you have a machine shop and the skills necessary to create the parts that will fit in a precision machine, you probably could. And no, "most people" could certainly not produce the parts necessry to make the AR-15 fully automatic. But "most people" could certainly create a bomb that would kill far more people.

Was the rifle used by Holmes a fully automatic weapon?

Most people would just buy those parts at a gun show or on line.

Doesn't matter if holmes had a fully auto matic weapon or not. the fact he had a semi-automatic weapon with the power it had is the problem. 12 people died and anther 60 wer wounded, and you guys are okay with this.

I'm not.

Ok, you go a "gun show" and buy the "parts" to make just any AR15 into fully auto... Get back to us when you succeeded. Dumbass
Lol
All legal sporting rifles have the "power" you dumb fucking ape...

 

[2aguy]

So you think it was designed for a specific people? LMAO!! That is hilarious.

No. The M16 (Stoner rifle) was designed because the M14 was uncontrollable when fired in full-auto and the ammunition was heavy and bulky. The M16 was designed as an answer to the AK47.

EXACTLY MY POINT- it was designed to be used IN A WAR against other soldiers.

Not to hunt Bambi or shoot cans or defend the home.

It has no business being available to people like Joker Holmes or Adam Lanza.

If the military has it...moron....then there is every reason for the people they protect to have it as well....again...the Germans tried it your way and 12 million Europeans were murdered in gas chambers.....try to learn from history moron and not repeat stupid mistakes.....

 

[2aguy]

It's effectively the same weapon. fires the same round, has the same range, etc.

the only difference is that the M16 can be fired on full auto. You have to modify the AR15 in order to do that, which you can do very easily.

Some gun nutter needs to refute what Joe said. Is the difference between the two rifles that fact that one is fully automatic? Or not? Can the AR be made fully automatic? If so, Joe's right. Again.


But but but. Come on gun nutters. Defend your weapon!

We don't have to defend it...even if it was fully automatic we should be able to own it...again....3,750,000 AR-15s are in private hands...and that is the left wing number...the actual number is a lot higher....

How many of these death machines are used each year that cause you guys to hate them...1 or 2.........so essentiall 3,750,000 rifles are not used to commit crime......that is essentially none of these rifles...and yet you guys want all of them banned....

That is fucking nuts.....

 

[2aguy]

No, it is not "effectively the same weapon". Just as a Bic lighter is not a flamethrower.

Easily? No. Get time in prison for it? Yes.

I could probably do it with the right tools. so could most people.

the problem is, the Government allows civilians to buy a weapon that can be easily modified into a weapon of mass destruction, and guys like Joker Holmes can buy it.

Yeah....which those same people do not use for anything other than self defense, sport, hunting and collecting.........so what is your fucking problem? 1 or 2, if that, are used illegally to commit illegal acts each year, if that..........3,750,000 of them are not.........you guys have a sick phobia.....and need to get help...

cars accidentally kill 35,000 people a year and you don't care about that......you are nuts...

 

[2aguy]

If you have a machine shop and the skills necessary to create the parts that will fit in a precision machine, you probably could. And no, "most people" could certainly not produce the parts necessry to make the AR-15 fully automatic. But "most people" could certainly create a bomb that would kill far more people.

Was the rifle used by Holmes a fully automatic weapon?

Most people would just buy those parts at a gun show or on line.

Doesn't matter if holmes had a fully auto matic weapon or not. the fact he had a semi-automatic weapon with the power it had is the problem. 12 people died and anther 60 wer wounded, and you guys are okay with this.

I'm not.

No...he went to a gun free zone where a lot of people were in the dark, in a confined space where movement was tightly constricted by the lay out of the seating, with the complete element of surprise...again, against completely unarmed people...........he could have achieved the same end with 6 shot revolvers asswipe........

 

[2aguy]

Yes they did. And that stopped the production of Crystal meth completely, didn't it? No?
Well surely it made it rare, at least, right? No?

We have lots of assholes in prison for making it.

We need to put some gun-selling assholes in prison, too.

We put them in prison all the time.......without universal background checks, gun registration or licensing normal gun owners.........we use current police techniques and lock them up all the time....they aren't hard to catch and are pretty stupid....and get snitched out all the time....

 

[Divine Wind]

I own one of each of these rifles. Both are bolt-action military rifles which may have actually been used in war. According to the anti-gun mob, they should be banned.

Mosin-Nagant

Yugo Mauser 24/48

 

[2aguy]

I own one of each of these rifles. Both are bolt-action military rifles which may have actually been used in war. According to the anti-gun mob, they should be banned.

Mosin-Nagant

Yugo Mauser 24/48

The Japanese and Germans conquered vast amounts of the world with bolt action rifles......I was amazed when I saw a documentary on the Battle of Okinawa when I realized the Japanese infantry soldier only had a bolt action rifle...while our Marines had rifles with magazine capacity.....

 

[Divine Wind]

I own one of each of these rifles. Both are bolt-action military rifles which may have actually been used in war. According to the anti-gun mob, they should be banned.

Mosin-Nagant

Yugo Mauser 24/48

The Japanese and Germans conquered vast amounts of the world with bolt action rifles......I was amazed when I saw a documentary on the Battle of Okinawa when I realized the Japanese infantry soldier only had a bolt action rifle...while our Marines had rifles with magazine capacity.....

Agreed. I'd love to have an M1903 rifle. You know, before the anti-gun nuts ban them.

 

[JoeB131]

No, I am not ok with that. I want the laws followed so that the people who are mentally incompetent are not allowed to buy a weapon from a dealer. And I want the mental health professionals to follow those laws and report the lunatics to the system that will prevent them from buying.

You want to blame the gun, and take them away from the 100 million gun owners. 9,500 gun murders constitute less than one tenth of one percent of the legal gun owners. 99.9% of gun owners never kill anyone at all.

Again, we ban things for a lot less.

How many lawn darts do you think killed someone at some point? But lawn darts are illegal now.

 

[JoeB131]

People only go to prison for breaking the law (unless there is mistake made in the process). Gun sellers are breaking no laws. If they do, I am all for them going to jail.

I'm sure that if we sent the ATF into the gun shop that sold Joker Holmes his weapons, and turned over every bit of paper, we'd find a shitload of violations.

 

[PredFan]

Speaking of AR-15s, I've been spending the last couple of days reloading 223. Here is what 800 rounds of 223 looks like:

 

[IsaacNewton]

I own one of each of these rifles. Both are bolt-action military rifles which may have actually been used in war. According to the anti-gun mob, they should be banned.

Mosin-Nagant

Yugo Mauser 24/48

The Japanese and Germans conquered vast amounts of the world with bolt action rifles......I was amazed when I saw a documentary on the Battle of Okinawa when I realized the Japanese infantry soldier only had a bolt action rifle...while our Marines had rifles with magazine capacity.....

Hilarious. Explain what Japan or Germany would have done with no navy, airforce, or tanks. Japan had a number of rapid fire light and heavy machine guns, as did the Germans. The German MG42 had a fire rate of 1200 rounds per/min and Alllied troops were terrified of this weapon. The German Gewehr 43 was similar to the M1 Garand but had a larger 10 round magazine.

You can entertain your fantasies but don't try to alter history to fit your worldview.

 

[WinterBorn]

People only go to prison for breaking the law (unless there is mistake made in the process). Gun sellers are breaking no laws. If they do, I am all for them going to jail.

I'm sure that if we sent the ATF into the gun shop that sold Joker Holmes his weapons, and turned over every bit of paper, we'd find a shitload of violations.

Then do it. But what you want is to send people to prison when they have broken no law.

And what makes you think the ATF didn't Goni. And check the records?

 

[westwall]

The AR-15 was designed by the Army to kill Vietcong in the jungles of Vietnam.

It has no business in private hands. Period.

The 2nd Amendment was written so that the militia (every able bodied male between 18 and 60 back then) could retain a weapon of military grade to fight against a corrupt government, so yeah, it has all the business in the world to be in private hands. The Founders WANTED it that way.