The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[Markle]

By 1945, they were a defenseless nation. Please keep up.

The battles on Iwo Jima and Okinawa were fought in 1945. The Japanese were not defenseless, but you are an idiot.

Both battles were entirely unnecessary. Japan asked for surrender terms when Stalin’s Stooge was still living. He said, “unconditional surrender you slanty eyed fuckers.” This resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths on both sides.

Amazing many Americans think this acceptable.

EVEN HONORABLE.

CRAZY!!!!

Thank you! Proving that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

You're talking to yourself.

Trying to educate you, but I see I have failed. Overcoming statist indoctrination is a tough task. I did my best.

You're simply a Troll. Worse, you are a BORING Troll!

 

[gipper]

The battles on Iwo Jima and Okinawa were fought in 1945. The Japanese were not defenseless, but you are an idiot.

Both battles were entirely unnecessary. Japan asked for surrender terms when Stalin’s Stooge was still living. He said, “unconditional surrender you slanty eyed fuckers.” This resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths on both sides.

Amazing many Americans think this acceptable.

EVEN HONORABLE.

CRAZY!!!!

Thank you! Proving that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

You're talking to yourself.

Trying to educate you, but I see I have failed. Overcoming statist indoctrination is a tough task. I did my best.

You're simply a Troll. Worse, you are a BORING Troll!

Yes, disputing the government’s story is trolling, but only to dumb statists.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

They need Iwo Jima for FIGHTER cover and to recover damaged bombers retard and Okinawa was a lead up to the invasion of a Home Island not fr bases to bomb from.

Hey Retard, once again you prove you are uninformed. By 1945, the Japanese had little to no fighter aircraft left. US bombers often flew missions in 1945, without any fighter escort. Plus they often flew at night, when no fighter escort was needed.

Damnit dude. Learn for once.

Dumb ass the Japanese had thousands of planes they were flying suicide missions on Okinawa with them but ya according to you they had none, right and I shoud learn history, you keep pedaling lies misinformation and stupidity. You have NO LINK to an actual offer of peace from the GOVERNMENT of Japan during WW2, because it NEVER happened.

Are you aware that those Kamikaze pilots NEVER posed a threat to US bombers? I would guess not, considering your high level of your retardation.

Unlike you I actually KNOW my history I did not learn false info and propaganda from biased sources, as for FACTS I posted SOURCE DOCUMENTS that prove you are full of SHIT.

You clearly know only what Uncle told you. Too bad. Ignorance is always a terrible thing.

I have linked to ACTUAL Government documents NOT hearsay not opinion not suspicion not supposition or guesses. The Japanese NEVER offered to surrender EVER. They made several overtures about a ceasefire return to 41 start lines no occupation of Japan. That's it and NONE of those were by the ACTUAL party in control of the Government. Even after 2 ATOMIC BOMBS the Army which controlled the Government REFUSED to surrender and when the Emperor over rode them and ordered a surrender the ARMY staged a Coup to stop THAT. All documented in actual SOURCE DOCUMENTS.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Hey Statists, did you know the B-29 that delivered Truman’s war crimes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, flew all the f-ing way from the Northern Mariana Islands.

That’s strange, no? Uncle claims all those American boys who died on Iwo Jima and Okinawa did so, so bombers could reach the home islands.

Yep, just another lie by Uncle, but statists don’t know it.

Okinawa was a precursor to the Home Island invasion had absolutely NOTHING to do with bombers or aircraft. Iwo Jima was to secure the airfields to rescue damaged aircraft returning from Bombing raids of which several landed even while the Island was contested and to provide a base for fighter coverage.

 

[Vandalshandle]

It is all a major conspiracy! The Illumine dropped atomic bombs on Japan to retaliate for sinking JFK's torpedo boat!

 

[gipper]

Hey Statists, did you know the B-29 that delivered Truman’s war crimes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, flew all the f-ing way from the Northern Mariana Islands.

That’s strange, no? Uncle claims all those American boys who died on Iwo Jima and Okinawa did so, so bombers could reach the home islands.

Yep, just another lie by Uncle, but statists don’t know it.

Okinawa was a precursor to the Home Island invasion had absolutely NOTHING to do with bombers or aircraft. Iwo Jima was to secure the airfields to rescue damaged aircraft returning from Bombing raids of which several landed even while the Island was contested and to provide a base for fighter coverage.

No need to invade. Why are you an imperialist warmonger?

I keep blowing up your continued statist reasons for mass murdering women and children, yet you keep coming back for more. Why?

Do you think the tremendous cost of lives and materials were worth the taking of Iwo Jima? If so, you prove once again an inability to think. That airfield was seldom used after the terrible bloodshed. It was merely an exercise by the military brass to gain more medals, at the cost of many boy’s lives.

The same applies to Okinawa. Total waste. Nothing was gain, other than more metals for the military brass.

 

[Markle]

It is all a major conspiracy! The Illumine dropped atomic bombs on Japan to retaliate for sinking JFK's torpedo boat!

What the heck is an "Illumine"?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

Having lived in Japan and developing an understanding of Japanese culture, I believe that the U.S. put them in a position of dying or accepting extreme dishonor. 99% of Japanese people would not consider that a choice. Honor above life EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!

They make it a point to NOT dishonor each other in society or in the workplace. EVERYBODY knows who fucked up at work. There's no need to call attention to it and make the fuck-up feel a sense of duty to restore his/her honor by jumping in front of a train.

Had we allowed them to have some minor concessions to allow them to keep their honor, no bombs would have been necessary.

This fundamental lack of cultural understanding has reared its ugly head other times as well:

Engineer Who Inspected Plane Before Crash Commits Suicide


That resolve is why I am glad they are now one of our best allies.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Japan would have surrendered in 1944, thus saving the lives of thousands of Americans and Japanese, but for FDR’s foolish unconditional surrender terms.

He would never let them keep their honor, so they kept fighting, against their will, because death before dishonor.

 

[gipper]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

Having lived in Japan and developing an understanding of Japanese culture, I believe that the U.S. put them in a position of dying or accepting extreme dishonor. 99% of Japanese people would not consider that a choice. Honor above life EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!

They make it a point to NOT dishonor each other in society or in the workplace. EVERYBODY knows who fucked up at work. There's no need to call attention to it and make the fuck-up feel a sense of duty to restore his/her honor by jumping in front of a train.

Had we allowed them to have some minor concessions to allow them to keep their honor, no bombs would have been necessary.

This fundamental lack of cultural understanding has reared it's ugly head other times as well:

Engineer Who Inspected Plane Before Crash Commits Suicide


That resolve is why I am glad they are now one of our best allies.

Agreed.

By July 1945, all they asked was don’t hang the Emperor. Truman said fuck you, mass murdered thousands of women and children, and then said okay you can keep your Emperor. So much for unconditional surrender.

Truman’s actions were the epitome of a war crime.

 

[gipper]

Japan would have surrendered in 1944, thus saving the lives of thousands of Americans and Japanese, but for FDR’s foolish unconditional surrender terms.

He would never let them keep their honor, so they kept fighting, against their will, because death before dishonor.

The asshole FDR purposely required unconditional surrender, because he knew the a Japanese would never accept this. He wanted to destroy their nation. The war criminal Truman, was a racist pig. He too wanted to wipe out the Japanese people.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The bombing of Pearl Harbor was unnecessary. After that.......well, attacking the USA has consequences.

You seem to be extremely confused. You must be a Democrat.

I think we can safely say that they had paid the price for their attack long before the bombs were dropped.

They WANTED to surrender, and would have accepted mass public executions as one of the terms, as long as they were allowed to keep their honor.

FDR offered them NOTHING but unconditional surrender, so they did the only thing that would maintain their honor. Keep fighting.

.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The war criminal Truman, was a racist pig. He too wanted to wipe out the Japanese people.

He also wanted to test his new weapon on some yellow people that he believed Americans wouldn't give a shit about.

 

[gipper]

The bombing of Pearl Harbor was unnecessary. After that.......well, attacking the USA has consequences.

You seem to be extremely confused. You must be a Democrat.

I think we can safely say that they had paid the price for their attack long before the bombs were dropped.

They WANTED to surrender, and would have accepted mass public executions as one of the terms, as long as they were allowed to keep their honor.

FDR offered them NOTHING but unconditional surrender, so they did the only thing that would maintain their honor. Keep fighting.

.

What you have stated in this post in factual, yet most Americans will dispute it. They have no idea that the Japanese wanted to surrender, long before Truman did his dirty deed. As we have seen by many of the posts in this thread from statists, they are clueless on this simple fact.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

Having lived in Japan and developing an understanding of Japanese culture, I believe that the U.S. put them in a position of dying or accepting extreme dishonor. 99% of Japanese people would not consider that a choice. Honor above life EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!

They make it a point to NOT dishonor each other in society or in the workplace. EVERYBODY knows who fucked up at work. There's no need to call attention to it and make the fuck-up feel a sense of duty to restore his/her honor by jumping in front of a train.

Had we allowed them to have some minor concessions to allow them to keep their honor, no bombs would have been necessary.

This fundamental lack of cultural understanding has reared it's ugly head other times as well:

Engineer Who Inspected Plane Before Crash Commits Suicide


That resolve is why I am glad they are now one of our best allies.

Agreed.

By July 1945, all they asked was don’t hang the Emperor. Truman said fuck you, mass murdered thousands of women and children, and then said okay you can keep your Emperor. So much for unconditional surrender.

Truman’s actions were the epitome of a war crime.

That simply is NOT true The Japanese Army demanded that to end the war all they would accept was a cease fire return to 41 start lines except no concessions in China, no occupation and for the Allies to go away. They repeated this demand after the first atomic bomb and then refused to surrender after the second atomic bomb, I linked to the ACTUAL Japanese documents from them. You can lie all you want about what they really wanted I have the ACTUAL documents and what they ACTUALLY offered.

 

[Markle]

The war criminal Truman, was a racist pig. He too wanted to wipe out the Japanese people.

He also wanted to test his new weapon on some yellow people that he believed Americans wouldn't give a shit about.

The bombs saved millions of Japanese lives.

 

[gipper]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

Having lived in Japan and developing an understanding of Japanese culture, I believe that the U.S. put them in a position of dying or accepting extreme dishonor. 99% of Japanese people would not consider that a choice. Honor above life EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!

They make it a point to NOT dishonor each other in society or in the workplace. EVERYBODY knows who fucked up at work. There's no need to call attention to it and make the fuck-up feel a sense of duty to restore his/her honor by jumping in front of a train.

Had we allowed them to have some minor concessions to allow them to keep their honor, no bombs would have been necessary.

This fundamental lack of cultural understanding has reared it's ugly head other times as well:

Engineer Who Inspected Plane Before Crash Commits Suicide


That resolve is why I am glad they are now one of our best allies.

Agreed.

By July 1945, all they asked was don’t hang the Emperor. Truman said fuck you, mass murdered thousands of women and children, and then said okay you can keep your Emperor. So much for unconditional surrender.

Truman’s actions were the epitome of a war crime.

That simply is NOT true The Japanese Army demanded that to end the war all they would accept was a cease fire return to 41 start lines except no concessions in China, no occupation and for the Allies to go away. They repeated this demand after the first atomic bomb and then refused to surrender after the second atomic bomb, I linked to the ACTUAL Japanese documents from them. You can lie all you want about what they really wanted I have the ACTUAL documents and what they ACTUALLY offered.

All Truman needed to do was accept their surrender terms, which only asked that the US leave the Emperor alone. Then no need to drop those bombs. Truman dropped the bombs then left the Emperor alone.

Does that make sense to you?

 

[Cosmos]

The bombing of Pearl Harbor was unnecessary. After that.......well, attacking the USA has consequences.

You seem to be extremely confused. You must be a Democrat.

I think we can safely say that they had paid the price for their attack long before the bombs were dropped.

They WANTED to surrender, and would have accepted mass public executions as one of the terms, as long as they were allowed to keep their honor.

FDR offered them NOTHING but unconditional surrender, so they did the only thing that would maintain their honor. Keep fighting.

.

No Japanese units surrendered. Their preferred way to be defeated was annihilation. It was their own sick culture of no surrender that left Truman with no choice but to use the atomic bomb. It was the obvious correct decision.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

Having lived in Japan and developing an understanding of Japanese culture, I believe that the U.S. put them in a position of dying or accepting extreme dishonor. 99% of Japanese people would not consider that a choice. Honor above life EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!

They make it a point to NOT dishonor each other in society or in the workplace. EVERYBODY knows who fucked up at work. There's no need to call attention to it and make the fuck-up feel a sense of duty to restore his/her honor by jumping in front of a train.

Had we allowed them to have some minor concessions to allow them to keep their honor, no bombs would have been necessary.

This fundamental lack of cultural understanding has reared it's ugly head other times as well:

Engineer Who Inspected Plane Before Crash Commits Suicide


That resolve is why I am glad they are now one of our best allies.

Agreed.

By July 1945, all they asked was don’t hang the Emperor. Truman said fuck you, mass murdered thousands of women and children, and then said okay you can keep your Emperor. So much for unconditional surrender.

Truman’s actions were the epitome of a war crime.

That simply is NOT true The Japanese Army demanded that to end the war all they would accept was a cease fire return to 41 start lines except no concessions in China, no occupation and for the Allies to go away. They repeated this demand after the first atomic bomb and then refused to surrender after the second atomic bomb, I linked to the ACTUAL Japanese documents from them. You can lie all you want about what they really wanted I have the ACTUAL documents and what they ACTUALLY offered.

All Truman needed to do was accept their surrender terms, which only asked that the US leave the Emperor alone. Then no need to drop those bombs. Truman dropped the bombs then left the Emperor alone.

Does that make sense to you?

You are a bald faced liar that is NOT what they offered they demanded a ceasefire a return to 41 start lines no occupation and no concessions in China.

 

[gipper]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

Having lived in Japan and developing an understanding of Japanese culture, I believe that the U.S. put them in a position of dying or accepting extreme dishonor. 99% of Japanese people would not consider that a choice. Honor above life EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!

They make it a point to NOT dishonor each other in society or in the workplace. EVERYBODY knows who fucked up at work. There's no need to call attention to it and make the fuck-up feel a sense of duty to restore his/her honor by jumping in front of a train.

Had we allowed them to have some minor concessions to allow them to keep their honor, no bombs would have been necessary.

This fundamental lack of cultural understanding has reared it's ugly head other times as well:

Engineer Who Inspected Plane Before Crash Commits Suicide


That resolve is why I am glad they are now one of our best allies.

Agreed.

By July 1945, all they asked was don’t hang the Emperor. Truman said fuck you, mass murdered thousands of women and children, and then said okay you can keep your Emperor. So much for unconditional surrender.

Truman’s actions were the epitome of a war crime.

That simply is NOT true The Japanese Army demanded that to end the war all they would accept was a cease fire return to 41 start lines except no concessions in China, no occupation and for the Allies to go away. They repeated this demand after the first atomic bomb and then refused to surrender after the second atomic bomb, I linked to the ACTUAL Japanese documents from them. You can lie all you want about what they really wanted I have the ACTUAL documents and what they ACTUALLY offered.

All Truman needed to do was accept their surrender terms, which only asked that the US leave the Emperor alone. Then no need to drop those bombs. Truman dropped the bombs then left the Emperor alone.

Does that make sense to you?

You are a bald faced liar that is NOT what they offered they demanded a ceasefire a return to 41 start lines no occupation and no concessions in China.

Good god you’re slow.