The U.S. Military Welfare Empire

bucs90

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This may touch some nerves. But thats ok. I think we have created a Welfare Empire with the U.S. Military. Hear me out.

Some have said this about the military internally. How someone can sign on at age 18, be a non-combat employee- like a cook, dentist, gym attendant, human resources employee. I know a female officer (LT) at the Air Force base here. Her job is to do presentations to new families about the schools, recreation and nightlife of Charleston. Never deployed. Made an entire career in uniform of giving lifestyle presentations to newly located families. And thats fine, its honest, noble work. But, some have said joining at 18, doing 20 years in a non-combat role, then "retiring" at age 38 with lifetime pay and benefits is just...well, too sweet a deal. Not me. Im ok with that.

What Im talking about is external welfare. You know, the kind right wingers hate. The "get something for nothing" kind. And our military is providing it. How?

We have bases all over the world. We intervene in so many conflicts. How many nations dont spend much on military...because they depend on the assumption that the US will save their asses? Canada for example. They have a fine military, but far smaller than ours. They dont need a big one. We're next door. So, they free up far more of their tax money for domestic services.

Or how about South Korea? How much money do we the taxpayers waste on that area? Japan, by law, couldnt have a big military. We will protect them. Same with Australia. And Mexico. And France. And England. And Germany. And Norway. And Sweden. And Greenland. And.........well, lets just assume that outside of China, Russia, the Axis of Evil (well, Saudi Arabia we'll protect obviously) that we'll step into just about any major conflict outside of Africa.


So I gotta ask, right wingers espsecially: Why are you so OK with foreign people getting "something for nothing", in this case military protection, off your tax dollar, but are so against your fellow countrymen getting "something for nothing"??? I mean, if you are gonna have your tax money spent giving someone something for nothing, why aren't you more angry that foreigners are getting it than your own neighbors?

Why not pull all those troops out of England, Germany, France, Australia, South Korea, etc, etc??

Some say it would make it harder to fight a foreign war without those foward bases. Well, thats a GOOD thing. Our foreign wars haven't done shit but nearly bankrupt us. Maybe that would be a good thing, to make it very hard to send our troops to some shithole to fight. Maybe then, we'd only go to war when absolutely necessary.

BUT....that would make life hard for defense contractors. And lots of GOP candidates depend heavily on lobbyist money from those folks.

So, I guess the Military Welfare Empire will continue. And billions of foreigners will keep getting free military protection from us, so they can have more of their own money stay in-country for their own people, since our people will pay for their protection........or in other words, "getting something for nothing".:(
 
As a result, other nations can spend more on their infrastructure. They can spend more on their nation's healthcare (see: no obesity epedimic). They can reduce corporate taxes, and thus, draw business AWAY from the US. All because they dont have to fund a massive military. Because they rely on ours, even if only through an assumed fact that the US will intervene (see: Kuwait).

So, foreign nations are getting "something for nothing" off our tax dollar.

And right wingers are OK with it. Either that, or they are simply silent on it, which if I know right wingers, they aren't silent on ANYTHING.
 
The US Government doesn't run the Military. The Military Industrial Complex of Multinational Corporations as well as a "Technological Elite" run the military.

Obama and Panetta have already stated the the US Military serves the UN not the US so get that idea out of your head.

All Americans get to do is pay for it all.
 
As a result, other nations can spend more on their infrastructure. They can spend more on their nation's healthcare (see: no obesity epedimic). They can reduce corporate taxes, and thus, draw business AWAY from the US. All because they dont have to fund a massive military. Because they rely on ours, even if only through an assumed fact that the US will intervene (see: Kuwait).

So, foreign nations are getting "something for nothing" off our tax dollar.

And right wingers are OK with it. Either that, or they are simply silent on it, which if I know right wingers, they aren't silent on ANYTHING.

1) We spend a ton on infrastructure currently.. and we waste even more
2) Military and national defense are an actual charge of the federal government via the constitution
3) Your personal upkeep is NOT an actual charge of the federal government via the constitution
4) You reduce or eliminate welfare and you can reduce corporate taxes too
5) 'right wingers' are 'ok' with being a world police force??

ROFLingly priceless
 
Been saying this for a while now. We can't help other countries unless we can help ourselves first. We should not be cutting welfare and closing domestic military bases while we're giving welfare to other countries and have hundreds of foreign bases.

America first.
 
good post buc90b, have been bitching about the freeloading world forever. as an example Our navy protects china's oil. let those fuckheads use their own navy and not ours.
 
This may touch some nerves. But thats ok. I think we have created a Welfare Empire with the U.S. Military. Hear me out.

Some have said this about the military internally. How someone can sign on at age 18, be a non-combat employee- like a cook, dentist, gym attendant, human resources employee. I know a female officer (LT) at the Air Force base here. Her job is to do presentations to new families about the schools, recreation and nightlife of Charleston. Never deployed. Made an entire career in uniform of giving lifestyle presentations to newly located families. And thats fine, its honest, noble work. But, some have said joining at 18, doing 20 years in a non-combat role, then "retiring" at age 38 with lifetime pay and benefits is just...well, too sweet a deal. Not me. Im ok with that.

What Im talking about is external welfare. You know, the kind right wingers hate. The "get something for nothing" kind. And our military is providing it. How?

We have bases all over the world. We intervene in so many conflicts. How many nations dont spend much on military...because they depend on the assumption that the US will save their asses? Canada for example. They have a fine military, but far smaller than ours. They dont need a big one. We're next door. So, they free up far more of their tax money for domestic services.

Or how about South Korea? How much money do we the taxpayers waste on that area? Japan, by law, couldnt have a big military. We will protect them. Same with Australia. And Mexico. And France. And England. And Germany. And Norway. And Sweden. And Greenland. And.........well, lets just assume that outside of China, Russia, the Axis of Evil (well, Saudi Arabia we'll protect obviously) that we'll step into just about any major conflict outside of Africa.


So I gotta ask, right wingers espsecially: Why are you so OK with foreign people getting "something for nothing", in this case military protection, off your tax dollar, but are so against your fellow countrymen getting "something for nothing"??? I mean, if you are gonna have your tax money spent giving someone something for nothing, why aren't you more angry that foreigners are getting it than your own neighbors?

Why not pull all those troops out of England, Germany, France, Australia, South Korea, etc, etc??

Some say it would make it harder to fight a foreign war without those foward bases. Well, thats a GOOD thing. Our foreign wars haven't done shit but nearly bankrupt us. Maybe that would be a good thing, to make it very hard to send our troops to some shithole to fight. Maybe then, we'd only go to war when absolutely necessary.

BUT....that would make life hard for defense contractors. And lots of GOP candidates depend heavily on lobbyist money from those folks.

So, I guess the Military Welfare Empire will continue. And billions of foreigners will keep getting free military protection from us, so they can have more of their own money stay in-country for their own people, since our people will pay for their protection........or in other words, "getting something for nothing".:(
and the biggest slap in the face is a lot of the countries we spend billions protecting hate our guts !!
 
As Fletch says:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCGxutt7GiQ&playnext=1&list=PL364A0AEA4DC88F2A&feature=results_main]Interview with Colonel Fletcher Prouty - YouTube[/ame]
 
As a result, other nations can spend more on their infrastructure. They can spend more on their nation's healthcare (see: no obesity epedimic). They can reduce corporate taxes, and thus, draw business AWAY from the US. All because they dont have to fund a massive military. Because they rely on ours, even if only through an assumed fact that the US will intervene (see: Kuwait).

So, foreign nations are getting "something for nothing" off our tax dollar.

And right wingers are OK with it. Either that, or they are simply silent on it, which if I know right wingers, they aren't silent on ANYTHING.

1) We spend a ton on infrastructure currently.. and we waste even more
2) Military and national defense are an actual charge of the federal government via the constitution
3) Your personal upkeep is NOT an actual charge of the federal government via the constitution
4) You reduce or eliminate welfare and you can reduce corporate taxes too
5) 'right wingers' are 'ok' with being a world police force??

ROFLingly priceless


You missed the entire point. Critical thinking was never a strong point of right wingers though.

Lets see.......#3. You said it is not the job of the federal govt to provide for personal upkeep. Very true.

So, why are you ok with providing military welfare protection to the rest of the world??? Canada, Norway, Germany, France, etc, etc, dont have to spend for a massive military. We do it for them. We keep the waterways open in the Middle East for shipping oil....oil that everyone uses. WHY US? Why should YOUR tax dollar go to provide free military services to all those foreigners?

Are you ok with them getting "something for nothing"??? And if not, why aren't you all bitching about it? Why aren't you all demanding we pull out of all those nations, and let their people pay for their own protection, rather than you paying for it?

Our corporate tax rates are higher than many of those places. If we didnt have to pay for their protection, and they had to pay for their own, wouldnt those rates even out a bit, and make business better for America?

But, the right wing will keep rallying against welfare for our own people, but passionately support providing military welfare for the rest of the world.
 
What's the saying, "When in Rome do as the Romans." That worked out great for their empire.
 
good post buc90b, have been bitching about the freeloading world forever. as an example Our navy protects china's oil. let those fuckheads use their own navy and not ours.

One day, right wingers will get angry and be consistent with their hatred of welfare. Lots of people get "something for nothing". Right wingers just seem to focus only the certain few who live in their country. They're ok with giving "something for nothing" to 3 billion or so foreigners. But to 300 million fellow countrymen? Heck no.

"Something for nothing". The exact idea of the US military welfare empire. And it is in NO WAY the fault or choice of the members of our military to do that. Heck, I bet they'd prefer not being shipped all over bumfuck-who-knows-whereistan.
 
Well, you know how leftists, socialists, marxists, progressives, communists and other witless dupes in this country are always whimpering about only having the best for our troops..................

Because they care.........lol
 
As a result, other nations can spend more on their infrastructure. They can spend more on their nation's healthcare (see: no obesity epedimic). They can reduce corporate taxes, and thus, draw business AWAY from the US. All because they dont have to fund a massive military. Because they rely on ours, even if only through an assumed fact that the US will intervene (see: Kuwait).

So, foreign nations are getting "something for nothing" off our tax dollar.

And right wingers are OK with it. Either that, or they are simply silent on it, which if I know right wingers, they aren't silent on ANYTHING.

1) We spend a ton on infrastructure currently.. and we waste even more
2) Military and national defense are an actual charge of the federal government via the constitution
3) Your personal upkeep is NOT an actual charge of the federal government via the constitution
4) You reduce or eliminate welfare and you can reduce corporate taxes too
5) 'right wingers' are 'ok' with being a world police force??

ROFLingly priceless


You missed the entire point. Critical thinking was never a strong point of right wingers though.

Lets see.......#3. You said it is not the job of the federal govt to provide for personal upkeep. Very true.

So, why are you ok with providing military welfare protection to the rest of the world??? Canada, Norway, Germany, France, etc, etc, dont have to spend for a massive military. We do it for them. We keep the waterways open in the Middle East for shipping oil....oil that everyone uses. WHY US? Why should YOUR tax dollar go to provide free military services to all those foreigners?

Are you ok with them getting "something for nothing"??? And if not, why aren't you all bitching about it? Why aren't you all demanding we pull out of all those nations, and let their people pay for their own protection, rather than you paying for it?

Our corporate tax rates are higher than many of those places. If we didnt have to pay for their protection, and they had to pay for their own, wouldnt those rates even out a bit, and make business better for America?

But, the right wing will keep rallying against welfare for our own people, but passionately support providing military welfare for the rest of the world.

I guess you could not get #5.. I, nor conservatives, are NOT ok with using the us military and national defense for a world police force

We are not the sole protection for Canada, GB, etc.. they are our ALLIES by TREATY for MUTUAL defense

You are an idiot
 
good post buc90b, have been bitching about the freeloading world forever. as an example Our navy protects china's oil. let those fuckheads use their own navy and not ours.

One day, right wingers will get angry and be consistent with their hatred of welfare. Lots of people get "something for nothing". Right wingers just seem to focus only the certain few who live in their country. They're ok with giving "something for nothing" to 3 billion or so foreigners. But to 300 million fellow countrymen? Heck no.

"Something for nothing". The exact idea of the US military welfare empire. And it is in NO WAY the fault or choice of the members of our military to do that. Heck, I bet they'd prefer not being shipped all over bumfuck-who-knows-whereistan.

? for the most part I am a right winger lol... but I do have some common sense.
 
This may touch some nerves. But thats ok. I think we have created a Welfare Empire with the U.S. Military. Hear me out.

Some have said this about the military internally. How someone can sign on at age 18, be a non-combat employee- like a cook, dentist, gym attendant, human resources employee. I know a female officer (LT) at the Air Force base here. Her job is to do presentations to new families about the schools, recreation and nightlife of Charleston. Never deployed. Made an entire career in uniform of giving lifestyle presentations to newly located families. And thats fine, its honest, noble work. But, some have said joining at 18, doing 20 years in a non-combat role, then "retiring" at age 38 with lifetime pay and benefits is just...well, too sweet a deal. Not me. Im ok with that.

What Im talking about is external welfare. You know, the kind right wingers hate. The "get something for nothing" kind. And our military is providing it. How?

We have bases all over the world. We intervene in so many conflicts. How many nations dont spend much on military...because they depend on the assumption that the US will save their asses? Canada for example. They have a fine military, but far smaller than ours. They dont need a big one. We're next door. So, they free up far more of their tax money for domestic services.

Or how about South Korea? How much money do we the taxpayers waste on that area? Japan, by law, couldnt have a big military. We will protect them. Same with Australia. And Mexico. And France. And England. And Germany. And Norway. And Sweden. And Greenland. And.........well, lets just assume that outside of China, Russia, the Axis of Evil (well, Saudi Arabia we'll protect obviously) that we'll step into just about any major conflict outside of Africa.


So I gotta ask, right wingers espsecially: Why are you so OK with foreign people getting "something for nothing", in this case military protection, off your tax dollar, but are so against your fellow countrymen getting "something for nothing"??? I mean, if you are gonna have your tax money spent giving someone something for nothing, why aren't you more angry that foreigners are getting it than your own neighbors?

Why not pull all those troops out of England, Germany, France, Australia, South Korea, etc, etc??

Some say it would make it harder to fight a foreign war without those foward bases. Well, thats a GOOD thing. Our foreign wars haven't done shit but nearly bankrupt us. Maybe that would be a good thing, to make it very hard to send our troops to some shithole to fight. Maybe then, we'd only go to war when absolutely necessary.

BUT....that would make life hard for defense contractors. And lots of GOP candidates depend heavily on lobbyist money from those folks.

So, I guess the Military Welfare Empire will continue. And billions of foreigners will keep getting free military protection from us, so they can have more of their own money stay in-country for their own people, since our people will pay for their protection........or in other words, "getting something for nothing".:(

so ungrateful you should move to a country of your choice..Iran, North Korea, Cuba
 
This may touch some nerves. But thats ok. I think we have created a Welfare Empire with the U.S. Military. Hear me out.

Some have said this about the military internally. How someone can sign on at age 18, be a non-combat employee- like a cook, dentist, gym attendant, human resources employee. I know a female officer (LT) at the Air Force base here. Her job is to do presentations to new families about the schools, recreation and nightlife of Charleston. Never deployed. Made an entire career in uniform of giving lifestyle presentations to newly located families. And thats fine, its honest, noble work. But, some have said joining at 18, doing 20 years in a non-combat role, then "retiring" at age 38 with lifetime pay and benefits is just...well, too sweet a deal. Not me. Im ok with that.

What Im talking about is external welfare. You know, the kind right wingers hate. The "get something for nothing" kind. And our military is providing it. How?

We have bases all over the world. We intervene in so many conflicts. How many nations dont spend much on military...because they depend on the assumption that the US will save their asses? Canada for example. They have a fine military, but far smaller than ours. They dont need a big one. We're next door. So, they free up far more of their tax money for domestic services.

Or how about South Korea? How much money do we the taxpayers waste on that area? Japan, by law, couldnt have a big military. We will protect them. Same with Australia. And Mexico. And France. And England. And Germany. And Norway. And Sweden. And Greenland. And.........well, lets just assume that outside of China, Russia, the Axis of Evil (well, Saudi Arabia we'll protect obviously) that we'll step into just about any major conflict outside of Africa.


So I gotta ask, right wingers espsecially: Why are you so OK with foreign people getting "something for nothing", in this case military protection, off your tax dollar, but are so against your fellow countrymen getting "something for nothing"??? I mean, if you are gonna have your tax money spent giving someone something for nothing, why aren't you more angry that foreigners are getting it than your own neighbors?

Why not pull all those troops out of England, Germany, France, Australia, South Korea, etc, etc??

Some say it would make it harder to fight a foreign war without those foward bases. Well, thats a GOOD thing. Our foreign wars haven't done shit but nearly bankrupt us. Maybe that would be a good thing, to make it very hard to send our troops to some shithole to fight. Maybe then, we'd only go to war when absolutely necessary.

BUT....that would make life hard for defense contractors. And lots of GOP candidates depend heavily on lobbyist money from those folks.

So, I guess the Military Welfare Empire will continue. And billions of foreigners will keep getting free military protection from us, so they can have more of their own money stay in-country for their own people, since our people will pay for their protection........or in other words, "getting something for nothing".:(
You should not be so quick to insult someone's ability to think critically when you exhibit a decided lack of the trait yourself.

The military does none of this. In case you missed it, everything you listed and talked about in your little false premise is based upon the fact that it is the elected civilian politicians that have done this. The military is subjugated to the civilian government. But you knew that, right?

Learn to form you premise and petty little diatribes BEFORE you actually post them, okay sport?
 
good post buc90b, have been bitching about the freeloading world forever. as an example Our navy protects china's oil. let those fuckheads use their own navy and not ours.

One day, right wingers will get angry and be consistent with their hatred of welfare. Lots of people get "something for nothing". Right wingers just seem to focus only the certain few who live in their country. They're ok with giving "something for nothing" to 3 billion or so foreigners. But to 300 million fellow countrymen? Heck no.

"Something for nothing". The exact idea of the US military welfare empire. And it is in NO WAY the fault or choice of the members of our military to do that. Heck, I bet they'd prefer not being shipped all over bumfuck-who-knows-whereistan.

? for the most part I am a right winger lol... but I do have some common sense.

I agree.

I'm a fiscal conservative and I'm LMAO at Bucs and his thinking that any American is happy about giving anyone, or any country something for nothing. That any American is happy to fork over tax dollars to any country or person.

I think we should get rid of all foreign aid and adhere to the letter of any and all treaties we have with other countries.

Of course its our Govt that makes those calls. Perhaps Bucs should address his latest diatribe to the current fuck in the WH. I mean really. The way they all bitched about Iraq and Astan one would think they would be bitching about Libya, Egypt and Syria. Our Govt does indeed stick its big fat nose in everywhere and thats the policy of the whoever the CIC at the time is.
 

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