The ultimate irony of the "Russian hack" conspiracy theory

[AnCap'n_Murica]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

 

[Pogo]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

 

[toomuchtime_]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The FBI seems to disagree with that assessment according to the Washington Post.

"Sitting before the House Intelligence Committee was a senior FBI counterintelligence official. The question the Republicans and Democrats in attendance wanted answered was whether the bureau concurred with the conclusions the CIA had just shared with senators that Russia “quite” clearly intended to help Republican Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton and clinch the White House.

For the Democrats in the room, the FBI’s response was frustrating — even shocking.

During a similar Senate Intelligence Committee briefing held the previous week, the CIA’s statements, as reflected in the letter the lawmakers now held in their hands, were “direct and bald and unqualified” about Russia’s intentions to help Trump, according to one of the officials who attended the House briefing.

The FBI official’s remarks to the lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee were, in comparison, “fuzzy” and “ambiguous,” suggesting to those in the room that the bureau and the agency weren’t on the same page, the official said.


The divergent messages from the CIA and the FBI put a spotlight on the difficulty faced by intelligence and law enforcement officials as they try to draw conclusions about the Kremlin’s motives for hacking Democratic Party emails during the 2016 race. Officials are frequently looking at information that is fragmentary. They also face issues assessing the intentions of a country expert at conducting sophisticated “influence” operations that made it hard — if not impossible — to conclusively detect the Kremlin’s elusive fingerprints.

The competing messages, according to officials in attendance, also reflect cultural differences between the FBI and the CIA. The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behavior.

“The FBI briefers think in terms of criminal standards — can we prove this in court,” one of the officials said. “The CIA briefers weigh the preponderance of intelligence and then make judgment calls to help policymakers make informed decisions. High confidence for them means ‘we’re pretty damn sure.’ It doesn’t mean they can prove it in court.”

The FBI is not sold on the idea that Russia had a particular aim in its meddling. “There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official."

FBI and CIA give differing accounts to lawmakers on Russia’s motives in 2016 hacks

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Yeah, the CIA has scads of credibility.

 

[Pogo]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The FBI seems to disagree with that assessment according to the Washington Post.

"Sitting before the House Intelligence Committee was a senior FBI counterintelligence official. The question the Republicans and Democrats in attendance wanted answered was whether the bureau concurred with the conclusions the CIA had just shared with senators that Russia “quite” clearly intended to help Republican Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton and clinch the White House.

For the Democrats in the room, the FBI’s response was frustrating — even shocking.

During a similar Senate Intelligence Committee briefing held the previous week, the CIA’s statements, as reflected in the letter the lawmakers now held in their hands, were “direct and bald and unqualified” about Russia’s intentions to help Trump, according to one of the officials who attended the House briefing.

The FBI official’s remarks to the lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee were, in comparison, “fuzzy” and “ambiguous,” suggesting to those in the room that the bureau and the agency weren’t on the same page, the official said.


The divergent messages from the CIA and the FBI put a spotlight on the difficulty faced by intelligence and law enforcement officials as they try to draw conclusions about the Kremlin’s motives for hacking Democratic Party emails during the 2016 race. Officials are frequently looking at information that is fragmentary. They also face issues assessing the intentions of a country expert at conducting sophisticated “influence” operations that made it hard — if not impossible — to conclusively detect the Kremlin’s elusive fingerprints.

The competing messages, according to officials in attendance, also reflect cultural differences between the FBI and the CIA. The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behavior.

“The FBI briefers think in terms of criminal standards — can we prove this in court,” one of the officials said. “The CIA briefers weigh the preponderance of intelligence and then make judgment calls to help policymakers make informed decisions. High confidence for them means ‘we’re pretty damn sure.’ It doesn’t mean they can prove it in court.”

The FBI is not sold on the idea that Russia had a particular aim in its meddling. “There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official."

FBI and CIA give differing accounts to lawmakers on Russia’s motives in 2016 hacks

So the last line:

“There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official."

-- seems to conclude everybody agrees that Russia was behind it in the stated direction, but there's variance of opinion on what their end goal was?

Who cares what the end goal was? Kind of missing the point of the whole event, innit?

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

So the last line:

“There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official."

-- seems to conclude everybody agrees that Russia was behind it in the stated direction, but there's variance of opinion on what their end goal was?

Who cares what the end goal was? Kind of missing the point of the whole event, innit?

The end goal is very relevant, when it's the losers who are trying to push this narrative as a reason that their dreadfully corrupt and hopelessly shitty candidate lost.

That the Russians -along with the Chinese, NorKs, Israelis, and just about every other player on the world stage- might wan to hack into Murican intel should be a "well duh" moment.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The FBI seems to disagree with that assessment according to the Washington Post.

"Sitting before the House Intelligence Committee was a senior FBI counterintelligence official. The question the Republicans and Democrats in attendance wanted answered was whether the bureau concurred with the conclusions the CIA had just shared with senators that Russia “quite” clearly intended to help Republican Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton and clinch the White House.

For the Democrats in the room, the FBI’s response was frustrating — even shocking.

During a similar Senate Intelligence Committee briefing held the previous week, the CIA’s statements, as reflected in the letter the lawmakers now held in their hands, were “direct and bald and unqualified” about Russia’s intentions to help Trump, according to one of the officials who attended the House briefing.

The FBI official’s remarks to the lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee were, in comparison, “fuzzy” and “ambiguous,” suggesting to those in the room that the bureau and the agency weren’t on the same page, the official said.


The divergent messages from the CIA and the FBI put a spotlight on the difficulty faced by intelligence and law enforcement officials as they try to draw conclusions about the Kremlin’s motives for hacking Democratic Party emails during the 2016 race. Officials are frequently looking at information that is fragmentary. They also face issues assessing the intentions of a country expert at conducting sophisticated “influence” operations that made it hard — if not impossible — to conclusively detect the Kremlin’s elusive fingerprints.

The competing messages, according to officials in attendance, also reflect cultural differences between the FBI and the CIA. The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behavior.

“The FBI briefers think in terms of criminal standards — can we prove this in court,” one of the officials said. “The CIA briefers weigh the preponderance of intelligence and then make judgment calls to help policymakers make informed decisions. High confidence for them means ‘we’re pretty damn sure.’ It doesn’t mean they can prove it in court.”

The FBI is not sold on the idea that Russia had a particular aim in its meddling. “There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official."

FBI and CIA give differing accounts to lawmakers on Russia’s motives in 2016 hacks

So the last line:

“There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official."

-- seems to conclude everybody agrees that Russia was behind it in the stated direction, but there's variance of opinion on what their end goal was?

Who cares what the end goal was? Kind of missing the point of the whole event, innit?

I have seen no evidence the Russian government was involved, just that some people who are believed to have unspecified connections to the Kremlin may have been involved. The claim that these people also hacked the GOP but did not release any damaging information is not substantiated since no one knows what they may have found.

The fact is, as the FBI claims, the CIA claims are not supported by facts.

 

[kaz]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The liberals are the moonbats who think it's OK to know your Gods are lying to you because you aren't supposed to know that ...

 

[miketx]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

Who is in charge of the cia right now? Hint: It starts with an O and ends with a bama.

 

[Pogo]

So the last line:

“There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official."

-- seems to conclude everybody agrees that Russia was behind it in the stated direction, but there's variance of opinion on what their end goal was?

Who cares what the end goal was? Kind of missing the point of the whole event, innit?

The end goal is very relevant, when it's the losers who are trying to push this narrative as a reason that their dreadfully corrupt and hopelessly shitty candidate lost.

Exactly *HOW* is it relevant?

If a car loses control, crashes into a building and kills 13 people, does it really matter what the car's original destination was?

Are you saying the CIA ran a candidate? Did the FBI run one too?

That the Russians -along with the Chinese, NorKs, Israelis, and just about every other player on the world stage- might wan to hack into Murican intel should be a "well duh" moment.

Again ---- whatever that means....

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Exactly *HOW* is it relevant?

If a car loses control, crashes into a building and kills 13 people, does it really matter what the car's original destination was?

Are you saying the CIA ran a candidate? Did the FBI run one too?

I get it, you're being obtuse on purpose.

 

[Pogo]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

Who is in charge of the cia right now? Hint: It starts with an O and ends with a bama.

Actually it starts with a "B" and ends with "rennan" Perhaps you're thinking of who appoints him. Oh look -- same guy that appointed the director of the FBI. That starts with a "Come".

Well there goes that.

 

[Pogo]

Exactly *HOW* is it relevant?

If a car loses control, crashes into a building and kills 13 people, does it really matter what the car's original destination was?

Are you saying the CIA ran a candidate? Did the FBI run one too?

I get it, you're being obtuse on purpose.

I get it --- you have no answer.
In the interest of full disclosure I must admit I already knew that before I threw the question out there.

 

[miketx]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

Who is in charge of the cia right now? Hint: It starts with an O and ends with a bama.

Actually it starts with a "B" and ends with "rennan" Perhaps you're thinking of who appoints him. Oh look -- same guy that appointed the director of the FBI. That starts with a "Come".

Well there goes that.

You live in LALA land if you don't think obama controls that yes man.

 

[PredFan]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The CIA does not state that the Russians hacked the election. That is a complete fabrication from the left. The CIA says that the Russians hacked into servers and obtained emails and then exposed the ones damaging to Hillary. There is a HUGE difference there, so obvious that an idiot such as yourself should be able to understand it.

 

[miketx]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The CIA does not state that the Russians hacked the election. That is a complete fabrication from the left. The CIA says that the Russians hacked into servers and obtained emails and then exposed the ones damaging to Hillary. There is a HUGE difference there, so obvious that an idiot such as yourself should be able to understand it.

You give them too much credit.

 

[Pogo]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The CIA does not state that the Russians hacked the election. That is a complete fabrication from the left. The CIA says that the Russians hacked into servers and obtained emails and then exposed the ones damaging to Hillary. There is a HUGE difference there, so obvious that an idiot such as yourself should be able to understand it.

Tell that to the poster I quoted --- it's his phrase.

And learn how to read.

 

[PredFan]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The CIA does not state that the Russians hacked the election. That is a complete fabrication from the left. The CIA says that the Russians hacked into servers and obtained emails and then exposed the ones damaging to Hillary. There is a HUGE difference there, so obvious that an idiot such as yourself should be able to understand it.

Tell that to the poster I quoted --- it's his phrase.

And learn how to read.

And you backed that false statement up, nit wit.

 

[Pogo]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The CIA does not state that the Russians hacked the election. That is a complete fabrication from the left. The CIA says that the Russians hacked into servers and obtained emails and then exposed the ones damaging to Hillary. There is a HUGE difference there, so obvious that an idiot such as yourself should be able to understand it.

Tell that to the poster I quoted --- it's his phrase.

And learn how to read.

And you backed that false statement up, nit wit.

I didn't even comment on that part nitwit -- which is one word, nitwit, not two. I simply didn't bother to split hairs over an errant phrase that even morons can understand.

As I just said --- learn how to read.

 

[PredFan]

The moonbats who were such peacenicks during the Bush years, claim that Russians hacked the Murican election to elect the candidate that doesn't want to go to war with Russia. That without their alleged interference, the woman who almost certainly would have incited WWIII would have won the election.

On a related note: Has anyone even heard so much as a peep from Code Pink in the last eight years?

Actually the CIA says that. On the basis of evidence which is kinda what they do.

The "moonbats" would be those still desperately trying to get anyone who will listen to believe that "three million illegals" voted and denied Rump the popular victory the same wags tried to claim in spite of numbers, based on nothing but some Head Moonbat wrote the idea on the internets without any evidence whatsoever.

(Apparently the "three million Amish" story didn't hunt, so they morphed "Amish" to "illegals" and had them vote the other way. Which is I guess the kind of measure you take when you can't handle reality.)

The CIA does not state that the Russians hacked the election. That is a complete fabrication from the left. The CIA says that the Russians hacked into servers and obtained emails and then exposed the ones damaging to Hillary. There is a HUGE difference there, so obvious that an idiot such as yourself should be able to understand it.

Tell that to the poster I quoted --- it's his phrase.

And learn how to read.

And you backed that false statement up, nit wit.

I didn't even comment on that part nitwit -- which is one word, nitwit, not two. I simply didn't bother to split hairs over an errant phrase that even morons can understand.

As I just said --- learn how to read.

Typical liar. It's right there. Good bye nitwit.