The unspoken moral dilemma of socialists

[Onyx]

I believe this happens because socialists have a bad track record of creating good environmental, charitable, and international NGO groups that have no capacity for a robin hood complex.

 

[washamericom]

I believe this happens because socialists have a bad track record of creating good environmental, charitable, and international NGO groups that have no capacity for a robin hood complex.

it's because conservatives can't get a 501-c

 

[owebo]

I believe this happens because liberals have a bad track record of creating good environmental, charitable, and international NGO groups that have no capacity for a robin hood complex.

I agree with the graphic however, I disagree with your analysis...

It happens because leviathan must be served.....As a conservative, we know this and constantly struggle to reduce the size of .gov, in hopes of choking the life out of leviathan.....

Democrats serve leviathan and as such, if feeds from and grows because of them....

 

[Onyx]

It happens because leviathan must be served.....As a conservative, we know this and constantly struggle to reduce the size of .gov, in hopes of choking the life out of leviathan.....

Or so you guys think.

Conservatives are just as easily manipulated into supporting an authoritarian big government agenda. For gods sake, you guys supported Reagan, Bush, Romney, and now Trump.

All four of them were or still are corporate government whores.

 

[owebo]

It happens because leviathan must be served.....As a conservative, we know this and constantly struggle to reduce the size of .gov, in hopes of choking the life out of leviathan.....

Or so you guys think.

Conservatives are just as easily manipulated into supporting an authoritarian big government agenda. For gods sake, you guys supported Reagan, Bush, Romney, and now Trump.

All four of them were or still are corporate government whores.

You have no clue what a conservative is, being that you are not one....so be careful or you will look foolish......

 

[Onyx]

You have no clue what a conservative is, being that you are not one....so be careful or you will look foolish......

Wow, I am so scared of being made to look foolish in front of partisan hacks...

 

[jwoodie]

I believe my threads die relatively short, because neither side I criticize can address the issues being brought up in an intellectually honest manner. Try and prove me wrong.

You just did:

you guys supported Reagan, Bush, Romney, and now Trump.

All four of them were or still are corporate government whores.

 

[Onyx]

You just did

What?

 

[owebo]

You have no clue what a conservative is, being that you are not one....so be careful or you will look foolish......

Wow, I am so scared of being made to look foolish in front of partisan hacks...

See....

 

[hazlnut]

I believe this happens because socialists have a bad track record of creating good environmental, charitable, and international NGO groups that have no capacity for a robin hood complex.

So leave.

 

[Onyx]

See....

See what?

That you are deflecting rather than be held accountable to my contentions?

Talk about intellectual dishonesty...

 

[Onyx]

So leave.

Let me think about that...... fuck no!

It is funny that both liberals and conservatives tell all opposition to get out when they are criticized.

Try defending the injustice you support for a change. I am just as much entitled to live in my beloved homeland as you are.

 

[boilermaker55]

Nothing but your lame opinion.
No facts whatsoever.
Care to elaborate at all, in any manner.
While the right-wing , teabagger , so-called conservatives what to do away with most all moral laws and cabinets.

I believe this happens because socialists have a bad track record of creating good environmental, charitable, and international NGO groups that have no capacity for a robin hood complex.

 

[Onyx]

Nothing but your lame opinion.
No facts whatsoever.

It is common sense logic, genius.

So you don't think taxation is theft? Tell me how forcibly taking money from an individual is not theft when the government does it.

 

[DGS49]

Socialism is only moral when all participants are in it voluntarily, such as in a commune, monastery, or convent. Government-enforced socialism is utterly immoral, because it confiscates wealth from people SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT, and re-distributes it to others SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY LACK IT.

Punish success, reward failure. Great philosophy.

 

[Onyx]

Socialism is only moral when all participants are in it voluntarily, such as in a commune, monastery, or convent. Government-enforced socialism is utterly immoral, because it confiscates wealth from people SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT, and re-distributes it to others SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY LACK IT.

Punish success, reward failure. Great philosophy.

Expanding on that point, policies of forced and systematic "generosity" are used to fulfill a sense of inner disgust and insecurity in those that support them.

Someone with a genuinely kind heart would not use the government to enact greater social change. The government is evil and causes frequent pain to the civil population.

I much prefer an argument with someone that believes the state is necessary, rather than someone that believes the state can be a force for good.

 

[hazlnut]

I believe this happens because socialists have a bad track record of creating good environmental, charitable, and international NGO groups that have no capacity for a robin hood complex.

This is the biggest false analogy ever.


If you don't pay your taxes men don't come with gun.

And only a tiny portion of your taxes goes to social programs for the poor.

FAIL>

FAIL BIG

 

[hazlnut]

Keep in mind the bulk of your tax dollars goes to military and baby boomers living longer because of better drugs.

It's not their fault they're living longer.

 

[Onyx]

This is the biggest false analogy ever.

If you don't pay your taxes men don't come with gun.

It isn't meant to be taken literally.

They will bury you under increasing amounts of interest and debt, and then seize your property and livelihood.

If you resist, you are going to wind up with a bullet in your head or in prison.

What, you think the IRS just says "Man, it ain't a big deal, just pay us whenever you get around to it," when you fail or refuse to pay into their illegal protection racket?

 

[Onyx]

Keep in mind the bulk of your tax dollars goes to military and baby boomers living longer because of better drugs.

It's not their fault they're living longer.

Irrelevant to the fact that the tax dollars are stolen.

That is the immoral means in which most Americans support. The only debate is what immoral ends the state should spend money on.