The wind blew over Trump’s “wall”

[Issa]

Lol I love it. I wouldn’t have expected the wind to blow it over, but let this be a symbolic sign of the stupidity of the policy.

Portion of newly built wall on Mexico border collapses

Translation:
“I hate it when a president tries to protect the citizens of America from needy, dependent foreign filth.”
Read that to yourself several times and listen to how batshit loony you sound.

Lol I love it. I wouldn’t have expected the wind to blow it over, but let this be a symbolic sign of the stupidity of the policy.

Portion of newly built wall on Mexico border collapses

Translation:
“I hate it when a president tries to protect the citizens of America from needy, dependent foreign filth.”
Read that to yourself several times and listen to how batshit loony you sound.

Most aren't against borders, but the racists like you and trump needs to be shamed.

 

[White 6]

pssssst - There seems to be no preventing people who believe they are Paul Bunyan from posting online....<giggle>

I have tossed bricks up, but three scaffolds high takes some pretty good aim, and is a little dangerous. But you can't do that with cement. He's talking about the mid 70's, and the older laborers used a device called a Hud to transport cement and bricks. It's a V shaped object that they loaded the mortar on, and they put it on their shoulders and climbed the scaffold with it. Amazing to see really. I was too young to try it out myself.

Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then.

I was young, but correct, it's extremely hard work. That's why I got out of it. My father did it until he retired, but we used to laugh and say, if pop ever hit the lottery, he'd be back at work tomorrow. He loved his work, and he was an artist at it as well.

Could not find video of slinging brick but here is one slinging shovels of mortar.

I've never seen that done before. But that was not three scaffolds high, and certainly much more work than a bucket and a pulley. There is not that much cement on the shovel, and you'd be there all day, probably with a broken back.

It is rough, usually for fill in, not all day. All residential work. Some in cool of morning. Mostly used pulley and buckets, while actual brick layers on break. 3 scaffold height was only 15-18 feet, so above shoulder your only swinging up another 10-12 feet up. Was waiting for ship out date to training, when factory shut down. Had wife and baby. You can do anything to fill 3 months. He paid well for that time, in cash. Pissed him off when i announced I would not be back on Monday. Had to threaten with broken beer bottle at beer joint to get last weeks wages. Good training for what was to come.

 

[White 6]

For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.

You would probably be arrested in NYC if you did that [at the very least your company would be fined and probably sued]...What happens when something goes wrong using this method? has anyone ever gotten seriously injured or killed? You describe the "brick toss" in such a manner that I don't doubt you really did this but even if I saw it with my own eyes I think I would doubt it...that's just crazy.

Definitely not OSHA approved, but don't think there was an OSHA back then.

 

[White 6]

Worked a lot of jobsites, while in outside sales for a wholesaler. Actually took a job after retirement as a department specialist for Lowes. Sold installed fencing among other things installed exterior and interior. If it is windy, the fencing contractor rescheduled and you called the customer. They would not start a job if the ground was soaked either. Picture I saw of the fence in question looked like 16 - 20 foot with the bottom, steel tubing, top 5 feet or so solid, taking complete wind load only at elevation furthest from the ground. Contractor Error. I don't actually think Trump personally awarded the contract, and frankly do not care. Contractor was a dumb ass. If you live in So Cal, maybe you can hire him for your fencing job, after he finishes the nice government contract. Good luck.

No way in hell I would live anywhere in California. Thirty or forty years ago diffrent story.
Still you are making assumptions. You have no facts. Maybe you might want to learn the old saying about assuming.
Other then that even if it was contractor error the fact you wanted to blame Trump for something he had no control over speaks volumes.

Agree about living in Califonia. Assumptions based on multiple article about it being a windy day. Not one article said a freak wind. Saw pictures of the sandy soil at jobsite of failure and understand about building on high sand content soil. Still think contractor should have not been attempting on strong wind day, unfit for tower work, or tall fencing. Luckily the tree lined street on the Mexico side prevented injury or death under tons of elevated metal fence.The Mexicans were lucky. The contract got by on dumb luck.
What part of "I don't actually think Trump personally awarded the contract, and frankly do not care." , did you not understand? For the Fkn record I DO NOT BLAME THE DUMB ASS DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE THIS CONTRACTOR SCREWED UP. Accidents do not just happen. Ask any safety officer or supervisor in military or civilian world.

So you went to the location and took soil samples. You checked to see if any rigging was used to tie the fencing structure to any supports or if there was internal structures that were in place to hold the fencing. You checked to make sure there was no failure of any rigging that might have been used. You spoke to the supervisor on site and heard what he had to say. You checked with workers to make sure that they were aware of any safety instructions or precautions they may have been given and were followed. You looked into the meteorological data for the day and know that the winds were in fact sustained winds.

In all probability you sat on your nice comfy chair watched the same video clip presented by few different news agencies and made the determination.

By the way when I asked if you had ever worked in construction I meant as in used equipment and worked with your hands.

Nope, just looked at still pictures, showing the sandy soil and the wall. If rigging was an issue or their internal bacing structure were substandard or improperly placed, as you infer the possibility, that is on the contractor's lack of supervision. Two different articles described a "windy day", nobody reported and freak winds, but no, I did not check meteorologiical data.
Yes, my desk chair is quite comfy.
Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977. I did personally construct about 500 feet of decorative privacy fencing in my back yard, about 15 years ago and still standing strong.. In civilian life I was a millwork professional, often teaching application of product and demonstrating, sometimes at jobsites, or at the plant, a lot to do with proper stairway construction, the only structural aspect of the millwork trade. All of my safety investigations involved broken bones, crushed skulls, severe bleeding, etc, mostly not my personnel. All were a direct result of human error, many supervisory error. No injuries in this blown down wall incident, probably not resulting in an OSHA investigation. The contractor was a lucky dumb ass.

If you did actual investigations of workplace accidents I hope you were more thorough then what you claim to have done here.

I have built two houses with the help of part time jr. High or high school help. I went from blank ground to finished product the only professional help I had was a plumber that was required by city code to make the taps into the city services. I spent many hours in investigating and mitigating injuries on job sites for the company I worked for.

Could it be that the contractor made a mistake that led to the accident? Yes it is. Is it possible that someone did not follow procedures as they were required? Yes. Is it possible that an engineer made a call that was wrong and cost the accident? Yes it is. Could supports, slings or other material that looked safe have given out? Yes. The point is I have enough of an understanding of construction and accident investigation that I don't jump to conclusions based on politics or snap decisions based on a picture or two.

Definitely more thorough, documented, school trained.

 

[depotoo]

It's not stupid to build a wall between the United States and Mexico. Why would you think it is?

I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent
We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

Let’s see, 100 miles built without incident, one small section gets hit with wind before cured and anchors set, and you want to imply the com0any is now unqualified? No, you just want to gripe as you have tds bad.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I have tossed bricks up, but three scaffolds high takes some pretty good aim, and is a little dangerous. But you can't do that with cement. He's talking about the mid 70's, and the older laborers used a device called a Hud to transport cement and bricks. It's a V shaped object that they loaded the mortar on, and they put it on their shoulders and climbed the scaffold with it. Amazing to see really. I was too young to try it out myself.

Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then.

I was young, but correct, it's extremely hard work. That's why I got out of it. My father did it until he retired, but we used to laugh and say, if pop ever hit the lottery, he'd be back at work tomorrow. He loved his work, and he was an artist at it as well.

Could not find video of slinging brick but here is one slinging shovels of mortar.

I've never seen that done before. But that was not three scaffolds high, and certainly much more work than a bucket and a pulley. There is not that much cement on the shovel, and you'd be there all day, probably with a broken back.

It is rough, usually for fill in, not all day. All residential work. Some in cool of morning. Mostly used pulley and buckets, while actual brick layers on break. 3 scaffold height was only 15-18 feet, so above shoulder your only swinging up another 10-12 feet up. Was waiting for ship out date to training, when factory shut down. Had wife and baby. You can do anything to fill 3 months. He paid well for that time, in cash. Pissed him off when i announced I would not be back on Monday. Had to threaten with broken beer bottle at beer joint to get last weeks wages. Good training for what was to come.

Nearly my entire family on my fathers side were in construction. At one time they got together and formed their own company. As I stated, I grew up with a brick clamp in my hand. I've probably been on over a hundred jobs growing up. And I've never seen or heard of anybody doing it that way. The only time I threw bricks is if whoever got the job didn't hire another laborer and I was there by myself, and I couldn't supply the bricks fast enough.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.

You would probably be arrested in NYC if you did that [at the very least your company would be fined and probably sued]...What happens when something goes wrong using this method? has anyone ever gotten seriously injured or killed? You describe the "brick toss" in such a manner that I don't doubt you really did this but even if I saw it with my own eyes I think I would doubt it...that's just crazy.

I can name dozens of places where even if tossing things like was described were done without any injury the project would be shut down and the contractors license pulled. Perhaps even large fines involved.

Correct. On the union jobs, that would never be allowed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's not stupid to build a wall between the United States and Mexico. Why would you think it is?

I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent
We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

If they were expecting that wind, they probably wouldn't have put it up in the first place.

 

[White 6]

Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then.

I was young, but correct, it's extremely hard work. That's why I got out of it. My father did it until he retired, but we used to laugh and say, if pop ever hit the lottery, he'd be back at work tomorrow. He loved his work, and he was an artist at it as well.

Could not find video of slinging brick but here is one slinging shovels of mortar.

I've never seen that done before. But that was not three scaffolds high, and certainly much more work than a bucket and a pulley. There is not that much cement on the shovel, and you'd be there all day, probably with a broken back.

It is rough, usually for fill in, not all day. All residential work. Some in cool of morning. Mostly used pulley and buckets, while actual brick layers on break. 3 scaffold height was only 15-18 feet, so above shoulder your only swinging up another 10-12 feet up. Was waiting for ship out date to training, when factory shut down. Had wife and baby. You can do anything to fill 3 months. He paid well for that time, in cash. Pissed him off when i announced I would not be back on Monday. Had to threaten with broken beer bottle at beer joint to get last weeks wages. Good training for what was to come.

Nearly my entire family on my fathers side were in construction. At one time they got together and formed their own company. As I stated, I grew up with a brick clamp in my hand. I've probably been on over a hundred jobs growing up. And I've never seen or heard of anybody doing it that way. The only time I threw bricks is if whoever got the job didn't hire another laborer and I was there by myself, and I couldn't supply the bricks fast enough.

There were two laborers, I and a buddy, feeding four very good bricklayers middle aged, to freaking old, brothers of the same family. They were hard core, even the 70 something year old alchoholic guy. They wanted what they wanted, when they wanted it and would raise unholy hell if it wasn't there or didn't show up momentarily. They often drank beer on the job instead of water. I didn't. Hard labor in heat and beer didn't and don't mix for me. I swear, they were actually faster and smoother after three or four than when they walked on the job sober. Their work was highly rated back in the day, and always had a waiting list. All dead now. Seems to be a lot of that going around now.

 

[beautress]

I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent
We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

If they were expecting that wind, they probably wouldn't have put it up in the first place.

Three homeruns in a row. Goodness, gracious.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I was young, but correct, it's extremely hard work. That's why I got out of it. My father did it until he retired, but we used to laugh and say, if pop ever hit the lottery, he'd be back at work tomorrow. He loved his work, and he was an artist at it as well.

Could not find video of slinging brick but here is one slinging shovels of mortar.

I've never seen that done before. But that was not three scaffolds high, and certainly much more work than a bucket and a pulley. There is not that much cement on the shovel, and you'd be there all day, probably with a broken back.

It is rough, usually for fill in, not all day. All residential work. Some in cool of morning. Mostly used pulley and buckets, while actual brick layers on break. 3 scaffold height was only 15-18 feet, so above shoulder your only swinging up another 10-12 feet up. Was waiting for ship out date to training, when factory shut down. Had wife and baby. You can do anything to fill 3 months. He paid well for that time, in cash. Pissed him off when i announced I would not be back on Monday. Had to threaten with broken beer bottle at beer joint to get last weeks wages. Good training for what was to come.

Nearly my entire family on my fathers side were in construction. At one time they got together and formed their own company. As I stated, I grew up with a brick clamp in my hand. I've probably been on over a hundred jobs growing up. And I've never seen or heard of anybody doing it that way. The only time I threw bricks is if whoever got the job didn't hire another laborer and I was there by myself, and I couldn't supply the bricks fast enough.

There were two laborers, I and a buddy, feeding four very good bricklayers middle aged, to freaking old, brothers of the same family. They were hard core, even the 70 something year old alchoholic guy. They wanted what they wanted, when they wanted it and would raise unholy hell if it wasn't there or didn't show up momentarily. They often drank beer on the job instead of water. I didn't. Hard labor in heat and beer didn't and don't mix for me. I swear, they were actually faster and smoother after three or four than when they walked on the job sober. Their work was highly rated back in the day, and always had a waiting list. All dead now. Seems to be a lot of that going around now.

Not on a union job. That doesn't happen. My father is still collecting his pension, so the union sends their retirees updates on the profession. A few years ago, they were asking their retirees to help them find younger people who might be interested in the work. They found people, but few that could pass a drug screen.

My father was not much of a drinker, but when his brothers were working on the job with us, or they got my father the job, they went out to the bar at lunch time and had a few beers. My Uncle was an alcoholic at the time, so he would run to his car for a few shots during the job. But that was side work and not union sponsored jobs.

 

[beautress]

I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent
We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

Let’s see, 100 miles built without incident, one small section gets hit with wind before cured and anchors set, and you want to imply the com0any is now unqualified? No, you just want to gripe as you have tds bad.
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The Demonrats at home office says they have to push the Orange Man Bad narrative today, now that the impeachment is due to end, and they haven't won a single "orange man bad" lie. And George Soros is depressed because the billions of dollars he lavished on the Democrats has done nothing but show them up for the liars they are. I guess the rains do rain on the rich and the poor alike.

 

[Siete]

I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent
We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

Let’s see, 100 miles built without incident, one small section gets hit with wind before cured and anchors set, and you want to imply the com0any is now unqualified? No, you just want to gripe as you have tds bad.
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thats ^^^^^^^^^^^^ a solid wood structure ( or looks wooden)

fences have space between the slats allowing wind to pass through without damage

just sayin'

 

[depotoo]

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

Let’s see, 100 miles built without incident, one small section gets hit with wind before cured and anchors set, and you want to imply the com0any is now unqualified? No, you just want to gripe as you have tds bad.
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thats ^^^^^^^^^^^^ a solid wood structure ( or looks wooden)

fences have space between the slats allowing wind to pass through without damage

just sayin'

No, it’s not.
Portion of US border wall in California falls over in high winds and lands on Mexican side - CNNPolitics
The National Weather Service reports that winds in the area gusted as high as 37 mph Wednesday. Video from CNN affiliate KYMA shows the metal panels leaning against trees adjacent to a Mexicali, Mexico, street as the wind whips up dirt from the construction site on the other side of the border.
Strong winds blow over new section of U.S. border wall with Mexico
The wall consisted of 30-foot-tall steel bollard panels, the Los Angeles Times reports. There were no reports of injuries or property damage.
Portion of new border wall falls in Mexicali - KYMA
video showing it is steel and the winds that hit.

 

[BULLDOG]

I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent
We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

Yeah keep telling yourself that. Most things are only rated at 10% over.
Years ago a Exxon engineer assured a pipeline company that they could get a pig out of a newly welded quarter mile by using compressed air at 110 psi the pig did come out. It was found over six miles away. Someone later calculated that there was almost a half million pounds of force behind the thing. No one is infallible.

yes. Simple arithmetic is amazing.

 

[BULLDOG]

I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent
We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

Let’s see, 100 miles built without incident, one small section gets hit with wind before cured and anchors set, and you want to imply the com0any is now unqualified? N.o, you just want to gripe as you have tds bad.
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I drove 100 miles without running over a single group of children. I hit a single group of 5, and you want to imply I'm unqualified to drive that bus. No, you just want to gripe.

 

[BULLDOG]

I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent
We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

If they were expecting that wind, they probably wouldn't have put it up in the first place.

You're getting a lot dumber than I expected now.

 

[BULLDOG]

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

If they were expecting that wind, they probably wouldn't have put it up in the first place.

Three homeruns in a row. Goodness, gracious.

You're really smart, aren't you?

 

[depotoo]

The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.

Let’s see, 100 miles built without incident, one small section gets hit with wind before cured and anchors set, and you want to imply the com0any is now unqualified? N.o, you just want to gripe as you have tds bad.
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I drove 100 miles without running over a single group of children. I hit a single group of 5, and you want to imply I'm unqualified to drive that bus. No, you just want to gripe.

You described yourself perfectly!

 

[Maxdeath]

For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.

You would probably be arrested in NYC if you did that [at the very least your company would be fined and probably sued]...What happens when something goes wrong using this method? has anyone ever gotten seriously injured or killed? You describe the "brick toss" in such a manner that I don't doubt you really did this but even if I saw it with my own eyes I think I would doubt it...that's just crazy.

Definitely not OSHA approved, but don't think there was an OSHA back then.

OSHA was law in 1971.