The wind blew over Trump’s “wall”

Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977.

Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.
 
Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977.

Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
pssssst - There seems to be no preventing people who believe they are Paul Bunyan from posting online....<giggle>

I have tossed bricks up, but three scaffolds high takes some pretty good aim, and is a little dangerous. But you can't do that with cement. He's talking about the mid 70's, and the older laborers used a device called a Hud to transport cement and bricks. It's a V shaped object that they loaded the mortar on, and they put it on their shoulders and climbed the scaffold with it. Amazing to see really. I was too young to try it out myself.
Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then. :thup:
 
Hey Billy, do you lock your doors at night? In your case your mother's door, but it's nearly the same idea.
 
Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977.

Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
pssssst - There seems to be no preventing people who believe they are Paul Bunyan from posting online....<giggle>

I have tossed bricks up, but three scaffolds high takes some pretty good aim, and is a little dangerous. But you can't do that with cement. He's talking about the mid 70's, and the older laborers used a device called a Hud to transport cement and bricks. It's a V shaped object that they loaded the mortar on, and they put it on their shoulders and climbed the scaffold with it. Amazing to see really. I was too young to try it out myself.
Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then. :thup:

I was young, but correct, it's extremely hard work. That's why I got out of it. My father did it until he retired, but we used to laugh and say, if pop ever hit the lottery, he'd be back at work tomorrow. He loved his work, and he was an artist at it as well.
 
Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977.

Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.

I don't believe you for a minute. First of all, throwing bricks by hand is very hard to do because it's the weight and aim. You can't do that with a board. Secondly, there is no possible way to throw a shovel of cement. It's very weight heavy on the metal part where the cement is. If you threw a shovel of cement in the air, the first thing that would happen is the shovel would go downwards and all you would have is a shovel of cement on the ground. There is no physical way to throw a loaded shovel in the air and expect it to stay level for one foot yet alone three scaffolds high.

I've worked with a lot of bricklayers and laborers. I've never heard or seen anything like that in my life.
 
Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977.

Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
pssssst - There seems to be no preventing people who believe they are Paul Bunyan from posting online....<giggle>

I have tossed bricks up, but three scaffolds high takes some pretty good aim, and is a little dangerous. But you can't do that with cement. He's talking about the mid 70's, and the older laborers used a device called a Hud to transport cement and bricks. It's a V shaped object that they loaded the mortar on, and they put it on their shoulders and climbed the scaffold with it. Amazing to see really. I was too young to try it out myself.
Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then. :thup:

I was young, but correct, it's extremely hard work. That's why I got out of it. My father did it until he retired, but we used to laugh and say, if pop ever hit the lottery, he'd be back at work tomorrow. He loved his work, and he was an artist at it as well.
Could not find video of slinging brick but here is one slinging shovels of mortar.
 
It's not stupid to build a wall between the United States and Mexico. Why would you think it is?
I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent

We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump
The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.
 
Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977.

Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
pssssst - There seems to be no preventing people who believe they are Paul Bunyan from posting online....<giggle>

I have tossed bricks up, but three scaffolds high takes some pretty good aim, and is a little dangerous. But you can't do that with cement. He's talking about the mid 70's, and the older laborers used a device called a Hud to transport cement and bricks. It's a V shaped object that they loaded the mortar on, and they put it on their shoulders and climbed the scaffold with it. Amazing to see really. I was too young to try it out myself.
Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then. :thup:

I found a picture of it. I had it wrong. It's called a Hod, not a Hud. Too much politics for me. LOL. Anyway, this is what they are.

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Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977.

Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.
One man's "strength" is another man's weakness. Most people cannot get away with consecutive self-immolation that brings on disability sooner rather than later. Maybe you ate your wheaties and survived it somehow. It did not, however, bring you to a state of caring about all Americans, only those who use calumny against good men and try to pass it off as the truth when it's as far away from the truth as it can be.

I guess it will take us lifetimes of doing the right thing to convince you that the Constitution has withstood the tests of times including one civil war as the Democrats are pushing for a state of pure communism they are obfuscating by calling it "socialism" (which sounds good, but has a link that brings it into communism when it becomes a nation's first love.) - that only ends up with the Communist "winners" killing everybody who disagrees with them in 100% of the communist countries who have to kill off their opponents rather than using reason and fairness for all.

Our Constitution encourages men and women to be their best, do their best, get positive results, and share their method with other countries interested in fairness for all rather than using sarin and other WOMDs on entire communities because they can.

Russian communists--killed off the Czar, his wife, and every last child they had including two who were mere infants, then went on to killing all people considered next of kin to the Czar they just murdered sans a fair trial in public, they did it deep into the woods shielded from all who would be sickened by people killing a newborn and a child who could barely speak and could not defend himself or herself. They killed all relatives who did not flee the nation of newly-empowered Bolshevik communists, then went out and found all the friends of the Czar who objected to their murders as well as their families.


When Stalin came to power, they went after entire associated states with the Bolsheviks who dared to say a discouraging word about the murderous history of the Bolshevik party, which was almost every single farmer in the state of Ukraine by sending KGB agents into the country to deprive each and every farmhouse of its hidden stores of sustenance, took children away and brainwashed them in special schools, sending intellectuals who wrote preferences to other forms of government than the one the murderous Bolsheviks used to instill pure fear into the populace of the government whom they called "Mother Russia" an old adage Russians have always used to mean a caring environment. The Bolsheviks tried successfully to hide their estimated twenty million to one hundred million elimination of people owning real estate who were reluctant to give their properties over to abject murderers that the Stalin government had evolved into by World War II, when the killings went on into the fifties, and even beyond.

Hate someone? Under Communism in Russia, all you had to do is call the KGB and claim someone you hated whispered something bad about the oppressive Stalin government who was still slaying dissidents by the village community and even farming communities who provided them food, into the 1950s when lines at the supermarket were growing longer and longer due to their failure to love everyone including protesters, whom they eliminated with snakelike venom of power in the wrong hands.

I believe in and will fight for the Constitution of the United States of America. It's been working for 244 years.
 
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Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
pssssst - There seems to be no preventing people who believe they are Paul Bunyan from posting online....<giggle>

I have tossed bricks up, but three scaffolds high takes some pretty good aim, and is a little dangerous. But you can't do that with cement. He's talking about the mid 70's, and the older laborers used a device called a Hud to transport cement and bricks. It's a V shaped object that they loaded the mortar on, and they put it on their shoulders and climbed the scaffold with it. Amazing to see really. I was too young to try it out myself.
Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then. :thup:

I was young, but correct, it's extremely hard work. That's why I got out of it. My father did it until he retired, but we used to laugh and say, if pop ever hit the lottery, he'd be back at work tomorrow. He loved his work, and he was an artist at it as well.
Could not find video of slinging brick but here is one slinging shovels of mortar.


I've never seen that done before. But that was not three scaffolds high, and certainly much more work than a bucket and a pulley. There is not that much cement on the shovel, and you'd be there all day, probably with a broken back.
 
Oh, you did, huh? Can you show me how you tossed shovels of mortar up three scaffolds high? Because I grew up laboring for my father on side jobs, and I've worked with a lot of laborers during that time. I even joined the bricklayers union when I was 18 and worked a summer building condominiums. I've never seen that done before.
pssssst - There seems to be no preventing people who believe they are Paul Bunyan from posting online....<giggle>

I have tossed bricks up, but three scaffolds high takes some pretty good aim, and is a little dangerous. But you can't do that with cement. He's talking about the mid 70's, and the older laborers used a device called a Hud to transport cement and bricks. It's a V shaped object that they loaded the mortar on, and they put it on their shoulders and climbed the scaffold with it. Amazing to see really. I was too young to try it out myself.
Sounds like a recipe for a lifelong back damage issue. I'm glad you were too busy for self-damaging folly back then. :thup:

I was young, but correct, it's extremely hard work. That's why I got out of it. My father did it until he retired, but we used to laugh and say, if pop ever hit the lottery, he'd be back at work tomorrow. He loved his work, and he was an artist at it as well.
Could not find video of slinging brick but here is one slinging shovels of mortar.

I only see one scaffold there. lol
 
For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.
You would probably be arrested in NYC if you did that [at the very least your company would be fined and probably sued]...What happens when something goes wrong using this method? has anyone ever gotten seriously injured or killed? You describe the "brick toss" in such a manner that I don't doubt you really did this but even if I saw it with my own eyes I think I would doubt it...that's just crazy.
 
It's not stupid to build a wall between the United States and Mexico. Why would you think it is?
I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent

We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump
The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.
 
For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.
You would probably be arrested in NYC if you did that [at the very least your company would be fined and probably sued]...What happens when something goes wrong using this method? has anyone ever gotten seriously injured or killed? You describe the "brick toss" in such a manner that I don't doubt you really did this but even if I saw it with my own eyes I think I would doubt it...that's just crazy.

I've tossed bricks up before. It was very common to do it that way. But they usually did it when the labor was short. Bricklayers make a lot of money up this way, and they don't want to stop a bricklayer from his work by catching bricks. So if they did toss bricks, it's usually another laborer on top catching them.

They only do that on small jobs. The larger jobs have trucks with forks on them to lift pallets of bricks and containers of cement up to the job site.
 
Dude have you ever worked any type of construction?
Wind can come up at a moments notice. Worked on many projects. Have seen engineers tell companies things that have no bearing in real life. So an engineer could have claimed it was fine. No way to tell from the article since it is very short on any facts.
If you really think that Trump was personally responsible for hiring that contractor you need a serious mental evaluation. But it is fun to pretend that any failure is his fault right?

Worked a lot of jobsites, while in outside sales for a wholesaler. Actually took a job after retirement as a department specialist for Lowes. Sold installed fencing among other things installed exterior and interior. If it is windy, the fencing contractor rescheduled and you called the customer. They would not start a job if the ground was soaked either. Picture I saw of the fence in question looked like 16 - 20 foot with the bottom, steel tubing, top 5 feet or so solid, taking complete wind load only at elevation furthest from the ground. Contractor Error. I don't actually think Trump personally awarded the contract, and frankly do not care. Contractor was a dumb ass. If you live in So Cal, maybe you can hire him for your fencing job, after he finishes the nice government contract. Good luck.
No way in hell I would live anywhere in California. Thirty or forty years ago diffrent story.
Still you are making assumptions. You have no facts. Maybe you might want to learn the old saying about assuming.
Other then that even if it was contractor error the fact you wanted to blame Trump for something he had no control over speaks volumes.
Agree about living in Califonia. Assumptions based on multiple article about it being a windy day. Not one article said a freak wind. Saw pictures of the sandy soil at jobsite of failure and understand about building on high sand content soil. Still think contractor should have not been attempting on strong wind day, unfit for tower work, or tall fencing. Luckily the tree lined street on the Mexico side prevented injury or death under tons of elevated metal fence.The Mexicans were lucky. The contract got by on dumb luck.
What part of "I don't actually think Trump personally awarded the contract, and frankly do not care." , did you not understand? For the Fkn record I DO NOT BLAME THE DUMB ASS DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE THIS CONTRACTOR SCREWED UP. Accidents do not just happen. Ask any safety officer or supervisor in military or civilian world.
So you went to the location and took soil samples. You checked to see if any rigging was used to tie the fencing structure to any supports or if there was internal structures that were in place to hold the fencing. You checked to make sure there was no failure of any rigging that might have been used. You spoke to the supervisor on site and heard what he had to say. You checked with workers to make sure that they were aware of any safety instructions or precautions they may have been given and were followed. You looked into the meteorological data for the day and know that the winds were in fact sustained winds.

In all probability you sat on your nice comfy chair watched the same video clip presented by few different news agencies and made the determination.

By the way when I asked if you had ever worked in construction I meant as in used equipment and worked with your hands.
Nope, just looked at still pictures, showing the sandy soil and the wall. If rigging was an issue or their internal bacing structure were substandard or improperly placed, as you infer the possibility, that is on the contractor's lack of supervision. Two different articles described a "windy day", nobody reported and freak winds, but no, I did not check meteorologiical data.
Yes, my desk chair is quite comfy.
Last I did hands on jobsite work was working for a bricking contractor, mixing mortar and slinging brick three scaffolds high, along with tossing shovels of mortar up to the same height, back in 1977. I did personally construct about 500 feet of decorative privacy fencing in my back yard, about 15 years ago and still standing strong.. In civilian life I was a millwork professional, often teaching application of product and demonstrating, sometimes at jobsites, or at the plant, a lot to do with proper stairway construction, the only structural aspect of the millwork trade. All of my safety investigations involved broken bones, crushed skulls, severe bleeding, etc, mostly not my personnel. All were a direct result of human error, many supervisory error. No injuries in this blown down wall incident, probably not resulting in an OSHA investigation. The contractor was a lucky dumb ass.
If you did actual investigations of workplace accidents I hope you were more thorough then what you claim to have done here.

I have built two houses with the help of part time jr. High or high school help. I went from blank ground to finished product the only professional help I had was a plumber that was required by city code to make the taps into the city services. I spent many hours in investigating and mitigating injuries on job sites for the company I worked for.

Could it be that the contractor made a mistake that led to the accident? Yes it is. Is it possible that someone did not follow procedures as they were required? Yes. Is it possible that an engineer made a call that was wrong and cost the accident? Yes it is. Could supports, slings or other material that looked safe have given out? Yes. The point is I have enough of an understanding of construction and accident investigation that I don't jump to conclusions based on politics or snap decisions based on a picture or two.
 
It's not stupid to build a wall between the United States and Mexico. Why would you think it is?
I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent

We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump
The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.
 
I've tossed bricks up before. It was very common to do it that way. But they usually did it when the labor was short. Bricklayers make a lot of money up this way, and they don't want to stop a bricklayer from his work by catching bricks. So if they did toss bricks, it's usually another laborer on top catching them.

They only do that on small jobs. The larger jobs have trucks with forks on them to lift pallets of bricks and containers of cement up to the job site.
Yeah, he convinced me it was done that way, but here where I live anyone in charge at a job site would immediately stop you from doing that...we used power ladders to load roofs no matter what it was, very fast.
 
For tossing brick, you lay of a smooth flat board 3 to 5 at a time, swing the board underhanded making the brick fly upward, they stay mostlly together because all accelerating at same rate. The bricklayer catches at the top, clamping in both hands at end bricks as a loose unit. Hard work in the heat, but faster than loading a pulley. As for mortar by the shovel, get as much on shovel as you can throw (shove and all) and throw it up, so that shovel stays approximately level, again faster than sending up buckets by pulley, hard on the guy at bottom, relatively easy on guy at top. Make you strong. Left for military. Pushups? No problem.
You would probably be arrested in NYC if you did that [at the very least your company would be fined and probably sued]...What happens when something goes wrong using this method? has anyone ever gotten seriously injured or killed? You describe the "brick toss" in such a manner that I don't doubt you really did this but even if I saw it with my own eyes I think I would doubt it...that's just crazy.
I can name dozens of places where even if tossing things like was described were done without any injury the project would be shut down and the contractors license pulled. Perhaps even large fines involved.
 
It's not stupid to build a wall between the United States and Mexico. Why would you think it is?
I have breached walls. As a fixed fortification, any of them can be breached or avoided. This one was destroyed by a 37 mile per hour breeze after it was re-enforced. My house doesn't even lose shingles in a 37 mile per hour breeze. At least, nobody was hurt.

The Independent

We're going to have a wall, we're going to have safety: Trump
The concrete had not cured before it was hit with the winds.

Anyone who knows anything about concrete knows structures need to be supported until the concrete cures enough to support it's load. Evidently the idiots who were given the contract to build that stupid wall didn't even have that much basic understanding of what was required.

I'm sure it was supported, but trust me, wind hitting an object that large is a lot of force, thus pulling the supports out.

We have a lot of wind here in Cleveland; more windy than Chicago. I'm a truck driver, and I can tell you that when that thing is loaded and weights 75,000 lbs and the wind hits you, it's tough to keep that truck in your lane. Being empty (about 31,000 lbs) is even worse. Think of how large an object that wall is compared to a 53' trailer.

A qualified company would know how much wind would load the wall and take precautions. Most calculations for things like that include at least a 100% safety factor for the highest expected load.
Yeah keep telling yourself that. Most things are only rated at 10% over.
Years ago a Exxon engineer assured a pipeline company that they could get a pig out of a newly welded quarter mile by using compressed air at 110 psi the pig did come out. It was found over six miles away. Someone later calculated that there was almost a half million pounds of force behind the thing. No one is infallible.
 

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