The Winning Message on Abortion: Boldly and Courageously Defend/Promote Human Life

[Mashmont]

Everything I'm saying is scientific.

You said " A blastocyst is not a human being and you couldn't tell a human one from a pig or a horse's. A fetus is not reasonably human at least until the 10-12 week period. Scinetifically, an organism is of some species or another. An organism from human beings is a human being. By definition.

Only on a genetic level.

A human is a human is a human on every level. I think what you mean is it doesn't look like anything like an adult human that we are all familiar with until a certain later point, which is true. But looks are irrelevant.

Of course it is! It is an unhatched chicken!

The eggs you make for breakfast could never have become chickens because they were never fertilized

On a genetic level. But if it were really human, you would not be calling it a fetus. Do you understand what fetus means?

A fetus is an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage

And unfortunately, you just don't get it. I've failed to reach you. And if Trump loses and the democrats reverse all restrictions on abortion, we will have people like YOU to thank for that. When millions more babies are aborted thanks to your pig-headed stupidity, what do you think God will say about that?!

I think you're thinking something can only be human if it looks like a fully formed born person. But looks are irrelevant. It's human long before that. Trump basically agrees with Democrats and you on abortion, but pro-lifers like me, though disappointed, certainly see Trump as the superior candidate on the abortion issue, so we will vote for him.

No thanks, don't even bother replying, you are incapable of lucid, independent thought.

My thoughts are completely lucid and logical. Yours seem to be about what you feel. I'm only interested in what is logical, correct, and moral. It doesn't matter how many agree or disagree with me. The truth is the truth.

 

[berg80]

In past threads, I have lamented the lost opportunity for Trump and Republicans of doing the right thing on the abortion issue and the folly of doing the seemingly safe but wrong thing. Unfortunately, our side chose the latter. The longtime GOP platform declared human life as sacred. That wording was changed this cycle. Major mistake. We have now ceded the false premise to the Democrats that abortion pertains to the woman, and not what it really is. Gone from the presidential debate is the question: "Do you think abortion is morally right?", It is now a given on both sides that abortion is permissible in the blue states. Here's what we should have done, and how we should pivot now:

1. Definitively and aggressively proclaim the sanctity of human life. Boldly and unequivocally denounce abortion as the destruction of living, growing developing babies in the womb. Show pictures of beautiful toddlers. Change the narrative. This is the way to change hearts and minds.

2. Constantly point out the Harris campaign's and Democrats' #1 agenda item is the destruction of little babies in the womb. Challenge any and all claims that abortion is about women, women's healthcare, etc.

3. Demonstrate that the ultimate goal of the left is forced abortion, like the Communists have done in China, North Korea, and Russia. Remind women that this shows the left has zero regard for their freedom or worth.

4. Work to change wording on all state abortion referenda to describe what abortion really is. Have it phrased: "Do you believe it should be illegal to kill human beings in the womb?" It's a leftwing lie that most people think killing their offspring is acceptable. Most people don't know what abortion really is because the leftwing and its media has convinced them it's a minor surgical procedure that somehow protects women's health. That needs to change.

5. Brand the Democrat leadership as racists for promoting abortion which disproportionately kills black children. Provide the history of racist Margaret Sanger and the founding of Planned Parenthood

6. Stigmatize abortion and sex outside marriage. Point out 85% of abortions are had by the unmarried.

7. Restore the strong pro-life statement to the GOP platform.

8. Demonize the abortion mill Planned Parenthood as the money-grubbing entity it is. Point out the vast $$$ involved in abortion, and the hypocrisy that PP is "about women".

Be actively pro-life, first and foremost, because it is the RIGHT thing. You can never go wrong doing the right thing. And don't be shy about it.
As the Bible commands in Joshua 1: “Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.” People innately are drawn to good if God's perfect word is given to them. Good has a way of prevailing. Doing the right thing will not only send more people to Heaven, it will also eventually work in our favor politically.

Fulton County Superior Judge Robert McBurney issued an order Monday striking down the state’s six-week abortion ban and allowing the procedure to be performed again in the state up until 22 weeks of pregnancy.

The order means that Georgia is now one of the most permissive states in the South when it comes to abortion access, joining Virginia, the only other state in the region that allows the procedure up until about 26 weeks of pregnancy — though Georgia’s status as such is likely only temporary.

“A review of our higher courts’ interpretations of ‘liberty’ demonstrates that liberty in Georgia includes in its meaning, in its protections, and in its bundle of rights the power of a woman to control her own body, to decide what happens to it and in it, and to reject state interference with her health care choices,” McBurney wrote. “That power is not, however, unlimited. When a fetus growing inside a woman reaches viability, when society can assume care and responsibility for that separate life, then — and only then — may society intervene.”

Georgia Judge’s Abortion Decision Will Reverberate Across The South, Albeit Temporarily

Fulton County Superior Judge Robert McBurney issued an order Monday striking down the state's six-week abortion ban and allowing the procedure to be performed again in the state up until 22 weeks of…

talkingpointsmemo.com

Well said.

 

[Mashmont]

So you aren't pro life. Because women are dying while being forced to carry non viable fetuses who are dead upon birth.

In today's leftist world, women who choose to have sex and get pregnant are "slaves", and people who voluntarily work at minimum wage jobs are "slaves". It just really demeans what true slaves of the 1800s really went through.

 

[Mashmont]

Fulton County Superior Judge Robert McBurney issued an order Monday striking down the state’s six-week abortion ban and allowing the procedure to be performed again in the state up until 22 weeks of pregnancy.

The order means that Georgia is now one of the most permissive states in the South when it comes to abortion access, joining Virginia, the only other state in the region that allows the procedure up until about 26 weeks of pregnancy — though Georgia’s status as such is likely only temporary.

“A review of our higher courts’ interpretations of ‘liberty’ demonstrates that liberty in Georgia includes in its meaning, in its protections, and in its bundle of rights the power of a woman to control her own body, to decide what happens to it and in it, and to reject state interference with her health care choices,” McBurney wrote. “That power is not, however, unlimited. When a fetus growing inside a woman reaches viability, when society can assume care and responsibility for that separate life, then — and only then — may society intervene.”

Georgia Judge’s Abortion Decision Will Reverberate Across The South, Albeit Temporarily

Fulton County Superior Judge Robert McBurney issued an order Monday striking down the state's six-week abortion ban and allowing the procedure to be performed again in the state up until 22 weeks of…

talkingpointsmemo.com

Well said.

This is why we have to get rid of neanderthal leftwing judges. who make ridiculous illogical rulings like this.

 

[toobfreak]

My thoughts are completely lucid and logical. Yours seem to be about what you feel. I'm only interested in what is logical, correct, and moral.

 

[dblack]

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That's the emoji I've been looking for! We really need to add it to the board defaults.

 

[HeyNorm]

This is why we have to get rid of neanderthal leftwing judges. who make ridiculous illogical rulings like this.

So women now have a legal right to take illegal drugs?

Who knew?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In past threads, I have lamented the lost opportunity for Trump and Republicans of doing the right thing on the abortion issue and the folly of doing the seemingly safe but wrong thing. Unfortunately, our side chose the latter. The longtime GOP platform declared human life as sacred. That wording was changed this cycle. Major mistake. We have now ceded the false premise to the Democrats that abortion pertains to the woman, and not what it really is. Gone from the presidential debate is the question: "Do you think abortion is morally right?", It is now a given on both sides that abortion is permissible in the blue states. Here's what we should have done, and how we should pivot now:

1. Definitively and aggressively proclaim the sanctity of human life. Boldly and unequivocally denounce abortion as the destruction of living, growing developing babies in the womb. Show pictures of beautiful toddlers. Change the narrative. This is the way to change hearts and minds.

2. Constantly point out the Harris campaign's and Democrats' #1 agenda item is the destruction of little babies in the womb. Challenge any and all claims that abortion is about women, women's healthcare, etc.

3. Demonstrate that the ultimate goal of the left is forced abortion, like the Communists have done in China, North Korea, and Russia. Remind women that this shows the left has zero regard for their freedom or worth.

4. Work to change wording on all state abortion referenda to describe what abortion really is. Have it phrased: "Do you believe it should be illegal to kill human beings in the womb?" It's a leftwing lie that most people think killing their offspring is acceptable. Most people don't know what abortion really is because the leftwing and its media has convinced them it's a minor surgical procedure that somehow protects women's health. That needs to change.

5. Brand the Democrat leadership as racists for promoting abortion which disproportionately kills black children. Provide the history of racist Margaret Sanger and the founding of Planned Parenthood

6. Stigmatize abortion and sex outside marriage. Point out 85% of abortions are had by the unmarried.

7. Restore the strong pro-life statement to the GOP platform.

8. Demonize the abortion mill Planned Parenthood as the money-grubbing entity it is. Point out the vast $$$ involved in abortion, and the hypocrisy that PP is "about women".

Be actively pro-life, first and foremost, because it is the RIGHT thing. You can never go wrong doing the right thing. And don't be shy about it.
As the Bible commands in Joshua 1: “Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.” People innately are drawn to good if God's perfect word is given to them. Good has a way of prevailing. Doing the right thing will not only send more people to Heaven, it will also eventually work in our favor politically.

Easily defeated by instead promoting quality of life.

Talk about light work.