There is no doubt that Trump's legacy in history is sealed.

[LeftofLeft]

He's also going to be the only US president that founded a terrorist movement.

^^^^ TERRORISM: Any credible threat to Democrats for undercutting their power base.

Meantime, Barack Obumma is the only US president to ever actually find a REAL terror organization, like ISIS, then overlook and underestimate it for two years letting it grow until they killed millions of people and destabilized 1/4 of the world, all so as to not displease Obumma's radical voter base.

Oh BTW: Trump defeated and cleaned up Obumma's ISIS mess as well.

Give Obama some credit..... Osama Bin Ladin was killed thanks to the intel infrastructure built by Bush-Cheney. While Obama “didn’t build that”, he was smart enough not to mess with the intel infrastructure. The closest he ever got to doing that was all of his talk about closing GITMO.

Killing Osama Bin Laden was to prevent us from getting his side of the story, not to accomplish anything.

And GITMO was and is totally illegal.
We illegally took GITMO with an invasion of Cuba after a lie about who sunk the USS Maine.
It is against US and international law to take POWs from Afghanistan to GITMO.
Under the US constitution EVERYONE is entitled to full rights, like a trial, and under international law you not only have to give them trial, but you can not remove them from the country they were captured in.
Being on a military base in Cuba does in no way diminish their rights under the Constitution, just as if they were citizens.

He did not close GITMO. You are blaming the US history with GITMO as an excuse for not closing the base nor its mission in the wake of terrorist attacks against the US.

 

[Fugazi]

There is no doubt that Trump's legacy in history is sealed.

He will be known as the President who mishandled the COVID-19 pandemic ending in hundred of thousands of deaths in the USA. The mishandling of the pandemic crushed our economy resulting in a GDP of negative 3.5%.

He will be know as the President who unsuccessfully tried to overturn a valid democratic election. A conservative court system put a stop to his disgusting attempt.

Those who supported Trump will be an embarrassment to their family for generations.

the fact he is hated by both partys is a sign he was for the country and not china like the bidens and so many of both partys are,,,

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that he never took his job as President seriously, in fact I doubt he's ever taken anything seriously in his entire life, other than stroking his ego.

 

[Rigby5]

Why does Trump still scare you so? Is it that he is and will continue to be the most powerful man in America?

He is powerful because he has control over the Deplorables and can use them to Primary any Republican who displeases him.

Because Republicans are so spineless in being unwilling to discard the worst leader in American History ...we are stuck with him

No, Trump was reasonably popular because everyone else, in both parties, is so obviously bad.
Trump comes off like a third party independent, which most people are desperate for.
I just prefer Bernie Sanders.
But the appeal of Trump as an outsider should be obvious to everyone.

And it was hideous for Hillary to come up with the term "deplorables".
While there are extremists out there with views I strongly disagree with, that does not and can not make them "deplorable".
Even someone with criminal ideas, such as segregation, white supremacists, etc., are NOT deplorable.
They have reasons for their wrong ideas, and are just ignorant.
The only people who might be deplorable are the ones who wish harm to others for profit, and that is the leadership of both parties.

 

[Rigby5]

He's also going to be the only US president that founded a terrorist movement.

^^^^ TERRORISM: Any credible threat to Democrats for undercutting their power base.

Meantime, Barack Obumma is the only US president to ever actually find a REAL terror organization, like ISIS, then overlook and underestimate it for two years letting it grow until they killed millions of people and destabilized 1/4 of the world, all so as to not displease Obumma's radical voter base.

Oh BTW: Trump defeated and cleaned up Obumma's ISIS mess as well.

Give Obama some credit..... Osama Bin Ladin was killed thanks to the intel infrastructure built by Bush-Cheney. While Obama “didn’t build that”, he was smart enough not to mess with the intel infrastructure. The closest he ever got to doing that was all of his talk about closing GITMO.

Killing Osama Bin Laden was to prevent us from getting his side of the story, not to accomplish anything.

And GITMO was and is totally illegal.
We illegally took GITMO with an invasion of Cuba after a lie about who sunk the USS Maine.
It is against US and international law to take POWs from Afghanistan to GITMO.
Under the US constitution EVERYONE is entitled to full rights, like a trial, and under international law you not only have to give them trial, but you can not remove them from the country they were captured in.
Being on a military base in Cuba does in no way diminish their rights under the Constitution, just as if they were citizens.

He did not close GITMO. You are blaming the US history with GITMO as an excuse for not closing the base nor its mission in the wake of terrorist attacks against the US.

That is the point, he SHOULD have closed GITMO.
GITMO never had a legitimate mission.
It was always illegal to put Afghan POWs there.

 

[progressive hunter]

There is no doubt that Trump's legacy in history is sealed.

He will be known as the President who mishandled the COVID-19 pandemic ending in hundred of thousands of deaths in the USA. The mishandling of the pandemic crushed our economy resulting in a GDP of negative 3.5%.

He will be know as the President who unsuccessfully tried to overturn a valid democratic election. A conservative court system put a stop to his disgusting attempt.

Those who supported Trump will be an embarrassment to their family for generations.

the fact he is hated by both partys is a sign he was for the country and not china like the bidens and so many of both partys are,,,

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that he never took his job as President seriously, in fact I doubt he's ever taken anything seriously in his entire life, other than stroking his ego.

what do you mean by seriously??
for a progressive that means enacting more authoritarian actions,, so if youre a prog then he hasnt taken it serious,,,

 

[Rigby5]

There is no doubt that Trump's legacy in history is sealed.

He will be known as the President who mishandled the COVID-19 pandemic ending in hundred of thousands of deaths in the USA. The mishandling of the pandemic crushed our economy resulting in a GDP of negative 3.5%.

He will be know as the President who unsuccessfully tried to overturn a valid democratic election. A conservative court system put a stop to his disgusting attempt.

Those who supported Trump will be an embarrassment to their family for generations.

the fact he is hated by both partys is a sign he was for the country and not china like the bidens and so many of both partys are,,,

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that he never took his job as President seriously, in fact I doubt he's ever taken anything seriously in his entire life, other than stroking his ego.

When it comes to the 2 most important things, not over spending and not murdering people by starting illegal wars, then Trump comes off better than any president in the last 50 years, except Carter.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

There is no doubt that Trump's legacy in history is sealed.

He will be known as the President who mishandled the COVID-19 pandemic ending in hundred of thousands of deaths in the USA. The mishandling of the pandemic crushed our economy resulting in a GDP of negative 3.5%.

He will be know as the President who unsuccessfully tried to overturn a valid democratic election. A conservative court system put a stop to his disgusting attempt.

Those who supported Trump will be an embarrassment to their family for generations.

next dems will be taking credit for operation warp speed ......... and you will fall in line with that falsehood .

Warp Speed credit belong to Trump and his administration...

 

[LeftofLeft]

He's also going to be the only US president that founded a terrorist movement.

^^^^ TERRORISM: Any credible threat to Democrats for undercutting their power base.

Meantime, Barack Obumma is the only US president to ever actually find a REAL terror organization, like ISIS, then overlook and underestimate it for two years letting it grow until they killed millions of people and destabilized 1/4 of the world, all so as to not displease Obumma's radical voter base.

Oh BTW: Trump defeated and cleaned up Obumma's ISIS mess as well.

Give Obama some credit..... Osama Bin Ladin was killed thanks to the intel infrastructure built by Bush-Cheney. While Obama “didn’t build that”, he was smart enough not to mess with the intel infrastructure. The closest he ever got to doing that was all of his talk about closing GITMO.

Killing Osama Bin Laden was to prevent us from getting his side of the story, not to accomplish anything.

And GITMO was and is totally illegal.
We illegally took GITMO with an invasion of Cuba after a lie about who sunk the USS Maine.
It is against US and international law to take POWs from Afghanistan to GITMO.
Under the US constitution EVERYONE is entitled to full rights, like a trial, and under international law you not only have to give them trial, but you can not remove them from the country they were captured in.
Being on a military base in Cuba does in no way diminish their rights under the Constitution, just as if they were citizens.

He did not close GITMO. You are blaming the US history with GITMO as an excuse for not closing the base nor its mission in the wake of terrorist attacks against the US.

That is the point, he SHOULD have closed GITMO.
GITMO never had a legitimate mission.
It was always illegal to put Afghan POWs there.

Exactly......Obama knew it was a key part of the intelligence infrastructure. Perhaps he should have relocated it or outsourced it?

 

[Correll]

He's also going to be the only US president that founded a terrorist movement.

Let me guess, you're just fine with the fact that the Democrats started the KKK, right?

Ancient history. Right now the haters love your president like no other American politician since George Wallace. Your president loves them too. After he is out of office watch him surround himself with open white supremacists. Pretty sure this will not be a deal breaker with you.

THe haters, on the right anyway, are an irrelevant fringe.

They are Trump's most ardent supporters. Remember how insanely pissed the right became over the removal or confederate monuments? That's their influence in the party.

1. They are an insignificant fringe and you focus on them to smear and marginalize Traditional Americans, because you are too cowardly to argue issues honestly.


2. Far more than ws are outraged by the removal of confederate monuments. you filthy liar.

3.They have no influence in the republican party and never had. This nation has had a bi-partisan consensus on equality for blacks, since YOUR party flipped on the issue, back in the early 60s.

4. You race baiting fucktard.

If there is any distinction between White supremacists and regular everyday Trumpbots you've failed to make it. It's not my job to differentiate between one angry redneck and another. If you are pissed off about this bitch about black people less and save some of your rage for the assholes who make you all look like racists.

So, you admit that you are just assuming that anyone that supports Trump is a ws, and that, in your mind, it is up to others to prove otherwise?

My God, you might be the biggest fucking asshole on this site. And that is some serious competition.


FUck you, you cocksucking faggot.

 

[toobfreak]

Give Obama some credit..... Osama Bin Ladin was killed thanks to the intel infrastructure built by Bush-Cheney.

We illegally took GITMO with an invasion of Cuba

You know Rigby, I'm sick of your bellyaching-- -- it smacks of malcontent naiveté. Taking GITMO was illegal, seizing the Japanese into concentration camps during WWII was illegal, using our Social Security money was illegal, taking land from Mexico was illegal, stealing land from the Indians was illegal, breaking off from England was illegal!

You think there is a law permitting any of this? There would be no USA otherwise.

It is a battle of the stronger over the weaker. The stronger win out every time.

If you want to bitch, at one time or other, England has invaded or seized control of and occupied virtually EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET! Save for a handful of tiny territories.


Bitch about that for a while. There are no perfect, wholly legal nations and governments. It is an imperfect world. Just that the USA is less bad and tries to do more good than most.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Give Obama some credit..... Osama Bin Ladin was killed thanks to the intel infrastructure built by Bush-Cheney.

We illegally took GITMO with an invasion of Cuba

You know Rigby, I'm sick of your bellyaching-- -- it smacks of malcontent naiveté. Taking GITMO was illegal, seizing the Japanese into concentration camps during WWII was illegal, using our Social Security money was illegal, taking land from Mexico was illegal, stealing land from the Indians was illegal, breaking off from England was illegal!

You think there is a law permitting any of this? There would be no USA otherwise.

It is a battle of the stronger over the weaker. The stronger win out every time.

If you want to bitch, at one time or other, England has invaded or seized control of and occupied virtually EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET! Save for a handful of tiny territories.


Bitch about that for a while. There are no perfect, wholly legal nations and governments. It is an imperfect world. Just that the USA is less bad and tries to do more good than most.

Yet somehow crossing across borders without following immigration laws is NOT illegal in some people’s eyes.

 

[Rigby5]

Give Obama some credit..... Osama Bin Ladin was killed thanks to the intel infrastructure built by Bush-Cheney.

We illegally took GITMO with an invasion of Cuba

You know Rigby, I'm sick of your bellyaching-- -- it smacks of malcontent naiveté. Taking GITMO was illegal, seizing the Japanese into concentration camps during WWII was illegal, using our Social Security money was illegal, taking land from Mexico was illegal, stealing land from the Indians was illegal, breaking off from England was illegal!

You think there is a law permitting any of this? There would be no USA otherwise.

It is a battle of the stronger over the weaker. The stronger win out every time.

If you want to bitch, at one time or other, England has invaded or seized control of and occupied virtually EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET! Save for a handful of tiny territories.


Bitch about that for a while. There are no perfect, wholly legal nations and governments. It is an imperfect world. Just that the USA is less bad and tries to do more good than most.

Actually I never said that the American Revolution from England was illegal.
The Tea tax and other taxation without representation was sufficient violation of inherent individual rights to make a rebellion legal.
England deserved to be dinged quite a bit in the past, but they no longer cheat and murder very much any more.
Now it is the US that is doing almost all of the cheating and murdering. Who else would assassinate people, except the US and Israel?
Where we disagree is that I think almost everything the US does is bad and our government does no good at all.
For example, we have a couple of supposed medical charities in Africa, and what I suspect is that actually that is just where they test things on unsuspecting natives, that they would not be allowed to test in the US.

 

[Rigby5]

Give Obama some credit..... Osama Bin Ladin was killed thanks to the intel infrastructure built by Bush-Cheney.

We illegally took GITMO with an invasion of Cuba

You know Rigby, I'm sick of your bellyaching-- -- it smacks of malcontent naiveté. Taking GITMO was illegal, seizing the Japanese into concentration camps during WWII was illegal, using our Social Security money was illegal, taking land from Mexico was illegal, stealing land from the Indians was illegal, breaking off from England was illegal!

You think there is a law permitting any of this? There would be no USA otherwise.

It is a battle of the stronger over the weaker. The stronger win out every time.

If you want to bitch, at one time or other, England has invaded or seized control of and occupied virtually EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET! Save for a handful of tiny territories.


Bitch about that for a while. There are no perfect, wholly legal nations and governments. It is an imperfect world. Just that the USA is less bad and tries to do more good than most.

Yet somehow crossing across borders without following immigration laws is NOT illegal in some people’s eyes.

But you have to remember that Mexicans are over 80% native, all natives in Mexico, Central, or South American, came from ancestors who lived in what is now the USA, at one time.
You also need to remember we are the descendants of European immigrants.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Give Obama some credit..... Osama Bin Ladin was killed thanks to the intel infrastructure built by Bush-Cheney.

We illegally took GITMO with an invasion of Cuba

You know Rigby, I'm sick of your bellyaching-- -- it smacks of malcontent naiveté. Taking GITMO was illegal, seizing the Japanese into concentration camps during WWII was illegal, using our Social Security money was illegal, taking land from Mexico was illegal, stealing land from the Indians was illegal, breaking off from England was illegal!

You think there is a law permitting any of this? There would be no USA otherwise.

It is a battle of the stronger over the weaker. The stronger win out every time.

If you want to bitch, at one time or other, England has invaded or seized control of and occupied virtually EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET! Save for a handful of tiny territories.


Bitch about that for a while. There are no perfect, wholly legal nations and governments. It is an imperfect world. Just that the USA is less bad and tries to do more good than most.

Yet somehow crossing across borders without following immigration laws is NOT illegal in some people’s eyes.

But you have to remember that Mexicans are over 80% native, all natives in Mexico, Central, or South American, came from ancestors who lived in what is now the USA, at one time.
You also need to remember we are the descendants of European immigrants.

I am of European descent happily married to a Mexican.