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Gave you the increase in gun crime....and gun crime victims..... gun control is failing in Canada, just like it is failing in Britain, Australia, and now Canada....
We had this talk before. You still don't understand statistics. We don't need to know about percentage increases, we need to know about the number of mass shootings per capita. If a country had 2 mass shootings last year, and had 3 the next, that would give them a higher percentage increase than if a country had 50 one year and then 60 the next. So does that mean the country with an increase of only one did worse than the country with an increase of 10? Stop the silly shit.
Doesn't matter, they average about 1 mass shooting a year ....... their gun control laws are not stopping their mass shooters, as rare as they are..... and their gun control is not stopping their criminals from getting guns.....gun crime is going up.
Going up is not going down, which is what it should be doing if their gun control laws worked......they haven't.
Yet another fail about statistics. There are things called anomalies... where one year might be different than another due to factors that are beyond any type of control. Not to mention, NOTHING works 100% of the time.
No..... Canada thinks that law abiding gun owners are driving their crime rate, which is why their gun control laws target law abiding gun owners..... since they won't face the truth, that criminals drive the crime rate and ignore their gun control laws, they won't get a handle on this....
Their gun crime rate is a mere fraction of that in the U.S. and here you are trying to use the same type of mental midget reasoning that Holocaust deniers use with fudging statistics to fit your agenda.
Lol, dude you are just fucking hilarious with this shit.Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....
They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....
this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...
The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...
Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada
Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.
The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.
- The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
- Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didnāt stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
- Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didnāt register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
- Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldnāt shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
- Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
- Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isnāt much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
- Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.
Everybody but your dumb ass knows gun concrtol can never stop every shooting.
As usual your straw man is weak and poorly constructed.
Dude, you're just stupid if you actually believe that.Lol, dude you are just fucking hilarious with this shit.Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....
They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....
this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...
The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...
Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada
Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.
The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.
- The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
- Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didnāt stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
- Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didnāt register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
- Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldnāt shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
- Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
- Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isnāt much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
- Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.
Everybody but your dumb ass knows gun concrtol can never stop every shooting.
As usual your straw man is weak and poorly constructed.
It's not stopping any shootings in Canada...... their criminals are increasingly shooting people.... but keep pretending that criminals can be stopped with gun control targeted at law abiding people..... it is just going to get worse.
Please...pleaseWow
Is this the part where we get to compare our murder rate to Canadaās?
Yeah..... considering gun crime is going up.....you can try to hide that fact in their low murder rate....but their criminals have more guns, and are shooting people more often...
Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problemāand Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca
Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isnāt treated as a serious problem here. And when itās discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. Thatās not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootingsāan average of one shooting every dayāwhich left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this yearās numbers are on par with the previous yearās, too.
But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.
Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.
In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.
Confidence in the federal governmentās ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.
Meanwhile.... in the United States...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nationās population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearmāassaults, robberies and sex crimesāwas 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
Can we get rid of our guns so we can go down to Canadaās murder rate?
We had this talk before. You still don't understand statistics. We don't need to know about percentage increases, we need to know about the number of mass shootings per capita. If a country had 2 mass shootings last year, and had 3 the next, that would give them a higher percentage increase than if a country had 50 one year and then 60 the next. So does that mean the country with an increase of only one did worse than the country with an increase of 10? Stop the silly shit.
Doesn't matter, they average about 1 mass shooting a year ....... their gun control laws are not stopping their mass shooters, as rare as they are..... and their gun control is not stopping their criminals from getting guns.....gun crime is going up.
Going up is not going down, which is what it should be doing if their gun control laws worked......they haven't.
Yet another fail about statistics. There are things called anomalies... where one year might be different than another due to factors that are beyond any type of control. Not to mention, NOTHING works 100% of the time.
No..... Canada thinks that law abiding gun owners are driving their crime rate, which is why their gun control laws target law abiding gun owners..... since they won't face the truth, that criminals drive the crime rate and ignore their gun control laws, they won't get a handle on this....
Their gun crime rate is a mere fraction of that in the U.S. and here you are trying to use the same type of mental midget reasoning that Holocaust deniers use with fudging statistics to fit your agenda.
And you go to the Holocaust to talk about crime figures.... you really are a stupid human being....tell us.... how much help do you need to dress yourself in the morning? Do you manage to feed yourself or are you too stupid to manage that on your own.....
You will find numbers all over the place. It depends on how you define mass shootings. The FBI defines it as 4. The Congressional Research Service counts 315 with fire arms in 15 years.Wow. The number of mass shootings in Canada is getting close to the 154 mass shootings in the US.
There haven't been 154 mass shootings in the U.S.....
Mother Jones, an anti gun, left wing news source can explain it to you...
In a country of over 320 million people.....
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)
2016....6
2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)
2014....2 (4)
2013....5
2012....7
2011....3
2010....1
2009....4
2008....3
2007....4
2006....3
2005...2
2004....1
2003...1
2002 not listed so more than likely 0
2001....1
2000....1
1999....5
1998...3
1997....2
1996....1
1995...1
1994...1
1993...4
1992...2
1991...3
1990...1
1989...2
1988....1
1987...1
1986...1
1985... not listed so probably 0
1984...2
1983...not listed so probably 0
1982...1
Wow. The number of mass shootings in Canada is getting close to the 154 mass shootings in the US.
You will find numbers all over the place. It depends on how you define mass shootings. The FBI defines it as 4. The Congressional Research Service counts 315 with fire arms in 15 years.Wow. The number of mass shootings in Canada is getting close to the 154 mass shootings in the US.
There haven't been 154 mass shootings in the U.S.....
Mother Jones, an anti gun, left wing news source can explain it to you...
In a country of over 320 million people.....
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)
2016....6
2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)
2014....2 (4)
2013....5
2012....7
2011....3
2010....1
2009....4
2008....3
2007....4
2006....3
2005...2
2004....1
2003...1
2002 not listed so more than likely 0
2001....1
2000....1
1999....5
1998...3
1997....2
1996....1
1995...1
1994...1
1993...4
1992...2
1991...3
1990...1
1989...2
1988....1
1987...1
1986...1
1985... not listed so probably 0
1984...2
1983...not listed so probably 0
1982...1
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44126.pdf
For 15 years (1999-2013), the United States has seen about 31 mass murders per year on average that resulted in four or more persons being murdered in a single incident. Of those incidents, CRS has confirmed that 21 per year on average were committed entirely with firearms.
Obama lowered the FBI number to 3..... and mass murder is different from mass public shootings.... mass public shootings are not criminal related which is why anti gunners mix up the definitions. Otherwise, you get the numbers Mother Jones has...... A family murder, or a gang shooting at a party is not the same as an individual walking into a public space and murdering random people.....
Obama lowered the FBI number to 3..... and mass murder is different from mass public shootings.... mass public shootings are not criminal related which is why anti gunners mix up the definitions. Otherwise, you get the numbers Mother Jones has...... A family murder, or a gang shooting at a party is not the same as an individual walking into a public space and murdering random people.....
People have a lot of leeway in choosing which definition of mass murder applies. It is another example of using statistics to confirm someone's biased story. However, no matter how you want to define it, the mass murders of Canada pales in comparison to the US.
Obama lowered the FBI number to 3..... and mass murder is different from mass public shootings.... mass public shootings are not criminal related which is why anti gunners mix up the definitions. Otherwise, you get the numbers Mother Jones has...... A family murder, or a gang shooting at a party is not the same as an individual walking into a public space and murdering random people.....
People have a lot of leeway in choosing which definition of mass murder applies. It is another example of using statistics to confirm someone's biased story. However, no matter how you want to define it, the mass murders of Canada pales in comparison to the US.
And that has nothing to do with gun control laws. Canadians have guns, Canadians can obviously get illegal guns. Their socieity, so far, is not producing the people who use those guns to walk into public places and shoot people...they do have about one a year. The point to this is that gun control does not stop mass shootings.....take Australia, they claim their gun control laws have stopped mass public shootings like Port Arthur.....if you look at Major crimes in Australia, what do you see? About a dozen mass shootings in public places....that failed to kill 3 or more people...but individuals with illegal guns, walked into public places and shot people....they just didn't shoot 3 or more. It wasn't gun control that stopped them, it was their decision to stop shooting, or they simply missed .....
Just a few of the incidents where individuals with illegal guns walked into public places.....
Can they explain how Australian gun control kept these individuals below, from using their guns to murder people in public places?
Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
25 January 1996 ā Hillcrest murders ā Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]
- 16 August 1998 ā Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
- 3 August 1999 ā La Trobe University shooting ā Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
- 21 October 2002 ā Monash University shooting ā Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
- 26 May 2002 ā A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
- 21 October 2002 ā Monash University shooting ā Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
- 18 June 2007 ā Melbourne CBD shooting ā Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
- 28 April 2011 ā 2011 Hectorville siege ā Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
- 28 April 2012 ā A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
- 23 May 2012 ā Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
- 8 March 2013 ā Queen Street mall siege ā Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
- 15 December 2014 ā 2014 Sydney hostage crisis ā Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[131]
- 7 March 2016 - Finks bikie gang member Wayne Williams armed himself with an AK 47 rifle and shot and killed Michael Bassal and shot and wounded his brothers Terry Bassal and Mark Bassal outside an industrial building in the suburb of Ingleburn Sydney. Williams then barricaded himself inside the building and took three hostages, resulting in a siege and stand off with police. He later released the three hostages and shot himself dead. The shootings were committed as a result of a business deal gone wrong.[citation needed]
- 29 April 2016 - A gunman opened fire inside the Centro shopping centre in Bankstown, Sydney. He shot and killed convicted criminal Walid Ahmad, shot and wounded a man who was with Ahmad, and also wounded a woman who was an innocent bystander. The shooting was targeted and was committed as a result of an ongoing feud between two rival Middle Eastern organised crime gangs.[144]
- 7 June 2017 - 2017 Brighton siege. Somali immigrant Yacqub Khayre took a female prostitute hostage in a serviced apartment complex in the suburb of Brighton in Melbourne and then shot dead the complex clerk Nick Hao. He enticed police to the complex and made references to Islamic terrorist groups before dying in a shoot-out with police with three police officers wounded.[153]
Obama lowered the FBI number to 3..... and mass murder is different from mass public shootings.... mass public shootings are not criminal related which is why anti gunners mix up the definitions. Otherwise, you get the numbers Mother Jones has...... A family murder, or a gang shooting at a party is not the same as an individual walking into a public space and murdering random people.....
People have a lot of leeway in choosing which definition of mass murder applies. It is another example of using statistics to confirm someone's biased story. However, no matter how you want to define it, the mass murders of Canada pales in comparison to the US.
And that has nothing to do with gun control laws. Canadians have guns, Canadians can obviously get illegal guns. Their socieity, so far, is not producing the people who use those guns to walk into public places and shoot people...they do have about one a year. The point to this is that gun control does not stop mass shootings.....take Australia, they claim their gun control laws have stopped mass public shootings like Port Arthur.....if you look at Major crimes in Australia, what do you see? About a dozen mass shootings in public places....that failed to kill 3 or more people...but individuals with illegal guns, walked into public places and shot people....they just didn't shoot 3 or more. It wasn't gun control that stopped them, it was their decision to stop shooting, or they simply missed .....
Just a few of the incidents where individuals with illegal guns walked into public places.....
Can they explain how Australian gun control kept these individuals below, from using their guns to murder people in public places?
Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
25 January 1996 ā Hillcrest murders ā Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]
- 16 August 1998 ā Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
- 3 August 1999 ā La Trobe University shooting ā Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
- 21 October 2002 ā Monash University shooting ā Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
- 26 May 2002 ā A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
- 21 October 2002 ā Monash University shooting ā Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
- 18 June 2007 ā Melbourne CBD shooting ā Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
- 28 April 2011 ā 2011 Hectorville siege ā Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
- 28 April 2012 ā A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
- 23 May 2012 ā Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
- 8 March 2013 ā Queen Street mall siege ā Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
- 15 December 2014 ā 2014 Sydney hostage crisis ā Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[131]
- 7 March 2016 - Finks bikie gang member Wayne Williams armed himself with an AK 47 rifle and shot and killed Michael Bassal and shot and wounded his brothers Terry Bassal and Mark Bassal outside an industrial building in the suburb of Ingleburn Sydney. Williams then barricaded himself inside the building and took three hostages, resulting in a siege and stand off with police. He later released the three hostages and shot himself dead. The shootings were committed as a result of a business deal gone wrong.[citation needed]
- 29 April 2016 - A gunman opened fire inside the Centro shopping centre in Bankstown, Sydney. He shot and killed convicted criminal Walid Ahmad, shot and wounded a man who was with Ahmad, and also wounded a woman who was an innocent bystander. The shooting was targeted and was committed as a result of an ongoing feud between two rival Middle Eastern organised crime gangs.[144]
- 7 June 2017 - 2017 Brighton siege. Somali immigrant Yacqub Khayre took a female prostitute hostage in a serviced apartment complex in the suburb of Brighton in Melbourne and then shot dead the complex clerk Nick Hao. He enticed police to the complex and made references to Islamic terrorist groups before dying in a shoot-out with police with three police officers wounded.[153]
The OP was about Canada.
Yes.... and I was showing that the low number of mass shootings in Canada has nothing to do with their gun control laws....
