This one is for the gun grabbers. Explain this.

[Brain357]

Yes lets make it as easy for mass shooters as possible. Don't make them reload.

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

Have you noticed how often we are having the worst mass shooting in history? Last year it was Orlando. Now it's Vegas. Maybe you aren't aware, but most consider more people dying in mass shootings bad.

Yet our two biggest mass murders (911 and Oklahoma City Bombing) didn't involve one gun.

Man allegedly inspired by ISIS arrested in plot to bomb shopping center

 

[jbander]

Yes lets make it as easy for mass shooters as possible. Don't make them reload.

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

Have you noticed how often we are having the worst mass shooting in history? Last year it was Orlando. Now it's Vegas. Maybe you aren't aware, but most consider more people dying in mass shootings bad.

IT's not the gun it's the criminal , the gun bubba's response ,except can you figure out how one of these mass murdering gun bubba's would do it from the 30th floor with only a knife in has hand or just a sharp stick. Now the gun bubba's say you take the guns away totally and only the bad guys will have guns , no they won't. it is a smorgas board for them now with 2.2 or whatever guns in every house on average. They don't even have to know if a house has guns. they just break in and these gun bubba's have them displayed like trophies all over the house.Easy pickings and Tell me how your scenario works when there is no long a smorgasbord of guns, if there was no guns in anyone's house. The ones they have would disappear quickly over time. They are such idiots.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Who says this guy is a professional shooter? There are courses that teach these kinds of tactics, and you post videos of people just practicing the technique.

Why don't you post a video of a kid behind the wheel of a car for the first time?

And many of them are people who have shot a lot. The fact of the matter is reload failures happen to everybody. And I prefer they happen often to mass shooters. You however want them to be as well armed as possible for maximum death.

And you want to create some idiotic law that won't stop one mass shooting or any other shooting for that matter.

Yes saving lives is idiotic. Idiotic is arming people legally with mass killing weapons. Look at Orlando. Even with an off duty officer for security he killed 50 and injured over 50. That is with armed police there from the very start! Idiotic arming people that way legally.

So how would limiting magazines would have stopped it?

The off duty officer would not have been completely outgunned. He could have stopped it rather than have to retreat.

How, by the half-second it took the shooter to put in a new magazine?

 

[Brain357]

Yes lets make it as easy for mass shooters as possible. Don't make them reload.

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Yes it dropped with Bill Clinton passed his crime bill and gun control. Now with concealed carry ramping up we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

Have you noticed how often we are having the worst mass shooting in history? Last year it was Orlando. Now it's Vegas. Maybe you aren't aware, but most consider more people dying in mass shootings bad.

Yet our two biggest mass murders (911 and Oklahoma City Bombing) didn't involve one gun.

Bomb making is illegal...

And your point is?????????

 

[Brain357]

And many of them are people who have shot a lot. The fact of the matter is reload failures happen to everybody. And I prefer they happen often to mass shooters. You however want them to be as well armed as possible for maximum death.

And you want to create some idiotic law that won't stop one mass shooting or any other shooting for that matter.

Yes saving lives is idiotic. Idiotic is arming people legally with mass killing weapons. Look at Orlando. Even with an off duty officer for security he killed 50 and injured over 50. That is with armed police there from the very start! Idiotic arming people that way legally.

So how would limiting magazines would have stopped it?

The off duty officer would not have been completely outgunned. He could have stopped it rather than have to retreat.

How, by the half-second it took the shooter to put in a new magazine?

He would have been able to find an opportunity at reload no doubt. But well that's impossible with the way you arm mass shooters.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Yes it dropped with Bill Clinton passed his crime bill and gun control. Now with concealed carry ramping up we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

CCW laws have been ramping up since the early 90's. Now you are trying to lie that this has only been happening the last two years????

 

[Brain357]

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

Have you noticed how often we are having the worst mass shooting in history? Last year it was Orlando. Now it's Vegas. Maybe you aren't aware, but most consider more people dying in mass shootings bad.

Yet our two biggest mass murders (911 and Oklahoma City Bombing) didn't involve one gun.

Bomb making is illegal...

And your point is?????????

Well you are comparing something legal vs illegal. Crazy you'd let weapons for mass killing be legal. And when something is illegal it can be stopped before people die.
Man allegedly inspired by ISIS arrested in plot to bomb shopping center

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And you want to create some idiotic law that won't stop one mass shooting or any other shooting for that matter.

Yes saving lives is idiotic. Idiotic is arming people legally with mass killing weapons. Look at Orlando. Even with an off duty officer for security he killed 50 and injured over 50. That is with armed police there from the very start! Idiotic arming people that way legally.

So how would limiting magazines would have stopped it?

The off duty officer would not have been completely outgunned. He could have stopped it rather than have to retreat.

How, by the half-second it took the shooter to put in a new magazine?

He would have been able to find an opportunity at reload no doubt. But well that's impossible with the way you arm mass shooters.

It's not impossible at all. A friend of mine has a son who joined the police force. Their advanced training involves quick magazine changes. It's not rocket science, it's practice.

 

[Brain357]

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Yes it dropped with Bill Clinton passed his crime bill and gun control. Now with concealed carry ramping up we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

CCW laws have been ramping up since the early 90's. Now you are trying to lie that this has only been happening the last two years????

It was quite rare until more recent years, not a lie at all. We had more concealed during those two years than ever before. And well that's not working out.

 

[Brain357]

Yes saving lives is idiotic. Idiotic is arming people legally with mass killing weapons. Look at Orlando. Even with an off duty officer for security he killed 50 and injured over 50. That is with armed police there from the very start! Idiotic arming people that way legally.

So how would limiting magazines would have stopped it?

The off duty officer would not have been completely outgunned. He could have stopped it rather than have to retreat.

How, by the half-second it took the shooter to put in a new magazine?

He would have been able to find an opportunity at reload no doubt. But well that's impossible with the way you arm mass shooters.

It's not impossible at all. A friend of mine has a son who joined the police force. Their advanced training involves quick magazine changes. It's not rocket science, it's practice.

The shooter almost never had to reload thanks to how well your armed him.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

Have you noticed how often we are having the worst mass shooting in history? Last year it was Orlando. Now it's Vegas. Maybe you aren't aware, but most consider more people dying in mass shootings bad.

Yet our two biggest mass murders (911 and Oklahoma City Bombing) didn't involve one gun.

Bomb making is illegal...

And your point is?????????

Well you are comparing something legal vs illegal. Crazy you'd let weapons for mass killing be legal. And when something is illegal it can be stopped before people die.
Man allegedly inspired by ISIS arrested in plot to bomb shopping center

Well I have some bad news for ya, and that is all mass murders are illegal.

 

[Brain357]

Have you noticed how often we are having the worst mass shooting in history? Last year it was Orlando. Now it's Vegas. Maybe you aren't aware, but most consider more people dying in mass shootings bad.

Yet our two biggest mass murders (911 and Oklahoma City Bombing) didn't involve one gun.

Bomb making is illegal...

And your point is?????????

Well you are comparing something legal vs illegal. Crazy you'd let weapons for mass killing be legal. And when something is illegal it can be stopped before people die.
Man allegedly inspired by ISIS arrested in plot to bomb shopping center

Well I have some bad news for ya, and that is all mass murders are illegal.

Yes they are. And if they are planned with illegal weapons they can be stopped before they happen. Sad you make so many mass killing weapons legal.

 

[jbander]

Yes lets make it as easy for mass shooters as possible. Don't make them reload.

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

No considering your just showing how stupid you are , first off the shooting were going down anyway, before the the run on guns and since the 90's there are far less people having guns in their houses and this concentration of guns is being collected by inbread gun Bubbas, literally all the increase in guns are going on the walls of these macho gun Bubba's. So who is stupid.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So how would limiting magazines would have stopped it?

The off duty officer would not have been completely outgunned. He could have stopped it rather than have to retreat.

How, by the half-second it took the shooter to put in a new magazine?

He would have been able to find an opportunity at reload no doubt. But well that's impossible with the way you arm mass shooters.

It's not impossible at all. A friend of mine has a son who joined the police force. Their advanced training involves quick magazine changes. It's not rocket science, it's practice.

The shooter almost never had to reload thanks to how well your armed him.

So what. Again, tell me how smaller magazines would have changed the situation. Are you trying to tell us that if a crazy mass murderer doesn't have legal access to high capacity magazines, he will just say "Oh well, F-it. If I can't have big magazines, I'll just forget about it!"

 

[jbander]

Yes lets make it as easy for mass shooters as possible. Don't make them reload.

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

I wonder if that picture is ray from cleveland himselves . kind of looks like a little boy playing cowboys and indians doesn't it. Did you see the little tittle under the picture that says ME MACHO

 

[Brain357]

The off duty officer would not have been completely outgunned. He could have stopped it rather than have to retreat.

How, by the half-second it took the shooter to put in a new magazine?

He would have been able to find an opportunity at reload no doubt. But well that's impossible with the way you arm mass shooters.

It's not impossible at all. A friend of mine has a son who joined the police force. Their advanced training involves quick magazine changes. It's not rocket science, it's practice.

The shooter almost never had to reload thanks to how well your armed him.

So what. Again, tell me how smaller magazines would have changed the situation. Are you trying to tell us that if a crazy mass murderer doesn't have legal access to high capacity magazines, he will just say "Oh well, F-it. If I can't have big magazines, I'll just forget about it!"

I'm saying if he had to reload often the officer there would have had an opportunity to stop him. But since he was just spraying death non stop the officer had to retreat.

 

[jbander]

Yes lets make it as easy for mass shooters as possible. Don't make them reload.

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Again total nonsense, all crimes have been going down, long before the run on guns,even crimes that never have anything to do with guns are down at the same rate. Fact, since the increase in guns there are way way less households that have guns. They are all going into the hands of the weirdo's that think it's the end of the world or are the macho me kill them type. Shoot everyone. Even if they look at me wrong bubba's.

 

[jbander]

Yes lets make it as easy for mass shooters as possible. Don't make them reload.

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

Have you noticed how often we are having the worst mass shooting in history? Last year it was Orlando. Now it's Vegas. Maybe you aren't aware, but most consider more people dying in mass shootings bad.

Yet our two biggest mass murders (911 and Oklahoma City Bombing) didn't involve one gun.

The Nazi said as he carved another notch in his gun.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Again total nonsense, all crimes have been going down, long before the run on guns,even crimes that never have anything to do with guns are down at the same rate. Fact, since the increase in guns there are way way less households that have guns. They are all going into the hands of the weirdo's that think it's the end of the world or are the macho me kill them type. Shoot everyone. Even if they look at me wrong bubba's.

Duh! Did you ever consider the fact that all other non-gun related crimes went down such as rape, assault, burglary because people were afraid of getting gunned down?

When talking about CCW's, it's less the amount of guns than it is the laws that support the victim. Along with CCW laws came the laws that protect the shooter. Years ago people had guns, but laws were created for the attacker and not the victim. If you protected your life with deadly force, you may have (or did) face prosecution or charges.

I have no reservations about using deadly force in my state of Ohio. That's because our laws heavily favor the legal gun carrier. However, even if my CCW license was accepted in commie states like New York or California, I would be afraid to use deadly force; not because I did anything wrong, but because the laws do not favor me using deadly force.