This should be a bipartisan issue. It should be illegal for airlines to overbook

[JimBowie1958]

There are private fire departments, numskull.

Volunteer fire departments are usually understaffed since they dont get paid and consequently fire insurance is a bit higher in places that have volunteer departments instead of full time professional FDs. While it is much better than no FD at all, a volunteer FD is not quite the same.

And, 'Numskull'? Thanks for pulling your punch, roflmao.

You claimed that private companies intentionally kill people to make money. Now you're admitting that you lied.

I said that these companies put people AT RISK OF LIFE, and limb too.

The facts bear that out.

 

[bripat9643]

There are private fire departments, numskull.

Volunteer fire departments are usually understaffed since they dont get paid and consequently fire insurance is a bit higher in places that have volunteer departments instead of full time professional FDs. While it is much better than no FD at all, a volunteer FD is not quite the same.

And, 'Numskull'? Thanks for pulling your punch, roflmao.

You claimed that private companies intentionally kill people to make money. Now you're admitting that you lied.

I said that these companies put people AT RISK OF LIFE, and limb too.

The facts bear that out.

I didn't say anything about "volunteer" fire departments. I said private fire departments.

So your argument boils down to the price of insurance being slightly higher? That's the justification for this vast regulatory fascist state?

 

[JimBowie1958]

So your argument boils down to the price of insurance being slightly higher? That's the justification for this vast regulatory fascist state?

No that is merely evidence that Volunteer FDs tend to be a bit less effective as they are usually understaffed and supply their own equipment typically.

And this is not a fascist state, not by a long shot.

 

[bripat9643]

So your argument boils down to the price of insurance being slightly higher? That's the justification for this vast regulatory fascist state?

No that is merely evidence that Volunteer FDs tend to be a bit less effective as they are usually understaffed and supply their own equipment typically.

And this is not a fascist state, not by a long shot.

This country has been fascist since FDR ascended to the throne. The New Deal was nothing but pure distilled fascism.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So your argument boils down to the price of insurance being slightly higher? That's the justification for this vast regulatory fascist state?

No that is merely evidence that Volunteer FDs tend to be a bit less effective as they are usually understaffed and supply their own equipment typically.

And this is not a fascist state, not by a long shot.

This country has been fascist since FDR ascended to the throne. The New Deal was nothing but pure distilled fascism.

OK, dude, you go with that.

I dont think that what we have had since FDR is anywhere near what the textbook definition of fascism is.

 

[Timmy]

Lol, you are so mistaken. Bad products kill consumers all the time.

Here is a list of contaminated food incidents and that does not include so many other problematic industries like the automobile industry, toy makers, etc.

• 1968 - Yushō disease; mass poisoning resulting from contamination of rice bran oil with PCBs in Kyūshū, Japan
• 1972 – mercury poisoning in Iraq kills 100 to 400 as seeds treated with mercury as a fungicide that are meant for planting are used as food[13][14] "Informed travelers from Baghdad say Iraq is in the grip of a severe mercury-poisoning outbreak. The travelers, who arrived last night, reported that 100 to 400 people had died since the outbreak began early in February."
• 1973 – Widespread poisoning of populace following Michigan cattle contamination following feed contamination with flame retardant[15][16][17]
• 1974–1976 – Afghanistan: widespread poisoning (an estimated 7800 people affected with hepatic veno-occlusive disease (liver damage) and about 1600 deaths) was attributed to wheat contaminated with weed seeds known as charmac (Heliotropium popovii. H Riedl) that contain pyrrolizidine alkaloids.[7]
• 1976 – Seveso dioxin contamination in Italy.
• 1981 – Spanish Toxic Oil Syndrome. Thousands permanently damaged due to eating industrial colza oil denatured with aniline sold as olive oil. There was strong suspicion that the cause was in fact insecticide in Spanish tomatoes, and that official agencies actively supported the contaminated oil position, suppressing evidence contradicting it.[18]
• 1985 – Adulteration of Austrian wines with diethylene glycol.[19]
• 1986 – Adulteration of Italian wines with ethylene glycol killed more than 18 people[19]
• 1987 – Beech-Nut Nutrition Corporation paid $2.2 million, then the largest fine issued, for violating the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act by selling artificially flavored sugar water as apple juice. John F. Lavery, the company's vice president for operations was convicted in criminal court and sentenced to a year and a day in jail; Niels L. Hoyvald, the president of the company, also convicted, served six months of community service. Each of them also paid a $100,000 fine[20]
• 1989 – Milk contamination with dioxin in Belgium[21]
• 1994 – Ground paprika in Hungary was found to be adulterated with lead oxide, causing deaths of several people, while dozens of others became sick.[22]
• 1998 – In New Delhi, India adulteration of edible mustard oil with Argemone mexicana seed oil caused epidemic dropsy in thousands of people.[23] Epidemic dropsy is a clinical state resulting from consumption of edible oils adulterated with Argemone mexicana seed oil that contains the toxic alkaloids sanguinarine and dihydrosanguinarine. The epidemic in 1998 at New Delhi is the largest so far, in which over 60 persons lost their lives and more than 3000 victims were hospitalized.Even after that the epidemics occurred at alarming frequency at Gwalior (2000), Kannauj (2002) and Lucknow (2005) cities of India.[24]
• 1998 – In Germany and the Netherlands, meat and milk were found with elevated dioxin concentrations. The dioxin was traced to citrus pulp from Brazil that had been neutralized with dioxin-contaminated lime. 92,000 tons of citrus pulp was discarded. The citrus pulp market collapsed in some European countries. A tolerance level for dioxins in citrus pulp was set by the European Commission.[25]
• 1999 – In Belgium, animal feed contaminated with dioxins and polychlorinated biphenyls affected more than 2500 poultry and pig farms. This incident led to the formation of the Belgium Federal Food Safety Agency. The loss to the Belgium economy was estimated at €1500-€2000M.[26][27]
• 1999–2000 – In Afghanistan, there were an estimated 400 cases of liver damage and over 100 deaths due to pyrrolizidine poisoning. The food source was not identified.[7]
• 2001 – Spanish olive pomace oil was contaminated with polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Contaminated product was recalled.[28]
• 2002 – In Northern Ireland, nitrofurans were detected in 5 (of 45) samples of chicken imported from Thailand and Brazil. The product was withdrawn and destroyed.[29]
• 2002 – In the UK, nitrofurans were detected in 16 (of 77) samples of prawns and shrimps imported from SE Asia. Affected batches were withdrawn and destroyed.[30]
• 2002 – In the UK and Canada, the banned antibiotic, chloramphenicol, was found in honey from China[31]
• 2003 – dioxins were found in animal feed that was contaminated with bakery waste that had been dried by firing with waste wood.[1]
• 2003 – The banned veterinary antibiotic nitrofurans were found in chicken from Portugal. Poultry from 43 farms was destroyed. Nitrofurans are banned from food because of concerns including a possible increased risk of cancer in humans through long-term consumption.[32]
• 2004 – Organic free-range chicken was found to contain traces of the banned veterinary drug, nitrofuran. Up to 23 tonnes of affected chicken, originating from a farm in Northern Ireland, was distributed to supermarkets across the UK resulting in a voluntary product recall and consumer warnings.[33]
• 2004 – The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) detected chloramphenicol in honey labelled as product of Canada. Chloramphenicol is banned for use in food-producing animals, including honey bees, in Canada as well as in a number of other countries. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) informed Health Canada that five lots of honey labelled as "Product of Canada" were distributed in British Columbia and were found to contain residues of the banned drug chloramphenicol. A voluntary food recall occurred.[34]
• 2004 – New Zealand soy milk manufactured with added kelp contained toxic levels of iodine. Consumption of this product was linked to five cases of thyrotoxicosos. The manufacturer ceased production and re-formulated the product line.[35][36]
• 2004 – New Zealand cornflour and cornflour-containing products were contaminated with lead, thought to have occurred as a result of bulk shipping of corn (maize) contaminated by previous cargo in the same storage. Affected product was distributed in New Zealand, Fiji and Australia. Four products were recalled.[37]
• 2004 – Aflatoxin-contaminated maize in Kenya resulted in 317 cases of hepatic failure and 125 deaths.[38]
• 2004 – EHEC O104:H4 in South Korea, researchers pointed at contaminated hamburgers as a possible cause.[39][40]
• 2005 – Worcester sauce in the UK was found to contain the banned food colouring, Sudan I dye, that was traced to imported adulterated chilli powder. 576 food products were recalled.[41][42]
• 2005 – Farmed salmon in British Columbia, Canada was found to contain the banned fungicide malachite green. 54 tonnes of fish was recalled. The incident resulted in an estimated $2.4-13M (USD) lost revenue.[43]
• 2006 – Pork, in China, containing clenbuterol when pigs were illegally fed the banned chemical to enhance fat burning and muscle growth, affected over 300 persons.[44]
• 2007 – Pet food recalls occurred in North America, Europe, and South Africa as a result of Chinese protein export contamination using melamine as an adulterant.
• 2008 – Baby milk scandal, in China. 300,000 babies affected, 51,900 hospitalisations and 6 infant deaths. Lost revenue compensation~$30M, bankruptcy, trade restrictions imposed (by 68 countries, 60 or more arrests, two executions, one life sentence, and loss of consumer confidence.[45][46] Melamine from the contaminated protein worked into the food chain a year later[47]
• 2008 – Wheat flour contaminated with naturally-occurring pyrrolidizine alkaloids is thought to be the cause of 38 cases of hepatic veno-occlusive disease including 4 deaths in Afghanistan[7]
• 2008 – Irish pork crisis of 2008: Irish pork and pork products exported to 23 countries was traced and much was recalled when animal feed was contaminated with dioxins in the feed drying process. The cost of cattle and pig culling exceeded €4M, compensation for lost revenue was estimated to be €200M.[48][49]
• 2008 – It was discovered that additives included substances like sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid had been used to dilute wines in Italy.[50]
• 2009 – Pork, in China, containing the banned chemical clenbuterol when pigs were illegally fed it to enhance fat burning and muscle growth. 70 persons were hospitalised in Guangzhou with stomach pains and diarrhoea after eating contaminated pig organs[44]
• 2009 – Hoola Pops from Mexico contaminated with lead[51]
• 2009 – Bonsoy-brand Soymilk in Australia, enriched with 'Kombu' seaweed resulted in high levels of iodine, and 48 cases of thyroid problems. The product was voluntarily recalled and a settlement of 25 million AUS$ later reached with the victims.[52][53]
• 2010 – Snakes in China were contaminated with clenbuterol when fed frogs treated with clenbuterol. 13 people were hospitalised after eating contaminated snake. There were 113 prosecutions in 2011 relating to clenbuterol, with sentences ranging from three years imprisonment to death.[54][55]
• 2011 – Poor-quality illegal alcohol in West Bengal has resulted in an estimated 126 deaths. The alcohol may have contained ammonium nitrate and/or methanol.[56]
• 2011 – German E. coli O104:H4 outbreak was caused by EHEC O104:H4 contaminated fenugreek seeds imported from Egypt in 2009 and 2010, from which sprouts were grown in Germany.
• 2011 – Vinegar from China contaminated with ethylene glycol when stored in tanks that previously contained antifreeze, led to 11 deaths and an estimated 120 cases of illness.[57]
• 2011 – Meat, eggs and egg products in Germany contaminated from animal feed containing fat contaminated with dioxins. 4,700 German farms affected. 8,000 hens and hundreds of pigs were culled. Imports from Germany to China were banned[58][59]
• 2012 – More than a quarter of a million chicken eggs were recalled in Germany after in-house testing discovered "excessive levels" of the poisonous chemical, dioxin.[60]
• 2012, June – A Brazilian housewife discovered an apparently used condom at the bottom of a can of Knorr tomato paste. Unilever was fined £3,100 ($4,800) by the Supreme Federal Court. She was awarded £1,110 ($1,700) for moral damages, as she and her family had consumed a meal prepared with the paste.[61][62]
• 2012, July – Around 1 million pots of herbs had to be destroyed in North Rhine-Westphalia after treatment with an apparently organic plant growth strengthener was found to contain DDAC (didecyl dimethyl ammonium chloride) which resulted in contamination levels above the EU MRL of 0.01 mg/kg. This has resulted in significant additional costs to member states across the EU who put in place a monitoring programme until February 2013 for DDAC and other quaternary ammonium compounds across a wide range of commodity groups.
• 2012, August to September – Multiple American Licorice Company black licorice products recalled due to high lead levels in the products. Consuming a bag of product could give children lead levels as high as 13.2 micrograms/daily limit, double the amount regulators consider actionable.[63]
• 2013, January – It was disclosed that horse meat contaminated beef burgers had been on sale in Britain and Ireland. Two companies, ABP Food Group and Liffey Meats, had supplied various supermarkets with contaminated own brand burgers from their meat factories in the U.K. and Ireland.
• 2013, February – In Germany 200 farms are suspected of selling eggs as "organic" but not adhering to the conditions required for the label.[64]
• 2013, March – A batch of 1800 almond cakes with butter cream and butterscotch from the Swedish supplier, Almondy, on its way to the IKEA store in Shanghai were found by Chinese authorities to have a too high amount of coliform bacteria and were subsequently destroyed.[65]
• 2013, March – A vegetable seller in western Germany, Rhine Main, realized that the lettuce he had been selling throughout the day contained rat poison. The poison appears as small blue kernels.[66]
• 2013, February–March – Contamination with aflatoxins results in a milk recall in Europe and a dog food recall in the United States. See 2013 aflatoxin contamination for further details.
• 2013, May – A Chinese crime ring was found to have passed off rat, mink, and small mammal meat as mutton for more than 1 million USD in Shanghai and Jiangsu province markets.[67]
• 2013, May – Halal Lamb Burgers contained samples of Pork DNA, affected schools 19 schools in Leicester, UK.[68]
• 2013, July – Bihar school meal poisoning incident, India.[69]
• 2013, October – 2013 Taiwan food scandal
• 2014, May – CRF Frozen Foods recall
• 2014, September – 2014 Taiwan food scandal
• 2015, April – Contaminated milk tea resulted in the deaths of two individuals and affected another[70] in Sampaloc, Manila,[71][72] the cause of which was determined to have been oxalic acid being deliberately laced at more than the lethal oral dose.[73] Murder charges were filed against Lloyd Abrigo, son of the milk tea shop owner who was among those killed in the incident; Abrigo denied the allegations,[74] and the charges were later dropped.
• 2015, July – 2015 Caraga candy poisonings in the Philippines
• 2015, November–December – 2015 United States E. coli outbreak[75]
• 2016, February–March – Mars Chocolates contamination incident, in which plastic found in candy bars lead to a recall affecting 55 countries.[76]
• 2016, April–May - 2016 Punjab sweet poisoning

Yes, business owners will still risk human lives to cut costs and make more profit! FACT!

And businesses are heavily regulated. I can only assume a couple of things from that. That regulations don't save lives or that regulations kill. I can only assume that, if I'm using the logic you use that capitalism and the free market kills. Since we don't have a truu free market and didn't back then either, there is still zero examples of the free market or capitalism killing anyone.

Lol! Read a history book! All these agencies and regs came into existence because of some awful story of business mis behavior .

In other words, the "solution" came after the fact, when the whole regulation mumbo-jumbo is based on the claim of preventing such incidents from ever happening.

Yep. For example . A bunch of people are killed by some drug company . People the. Want regulation!

Do you know how many people have died because the FDA dragged its feet about approving life saving drugs?

Do you know how many have died from drug fuckups ?

 

[PredFan]

And businesses are heavily regulated. I can only assume a couple of things from that. That regulations don't save lives or that regulations kill. I can only assume that, if I'm using the logic you use that capitalism and the free market kills. Since we don't have a truu free market and didn't back then either, there is still zero examples of the free market or capitalism killing anyone.

Lol! Read a history book! All these agencies and regs came into existence because of some awful story of business mis behavior .

Not only do I read history books but I have a minor in history. Perhaps you should take your own advice. People and businesses did that, not capitalism.

A very minor I'm sure!

You act as if things are going fine , and congress decides to create an agency just for the fuck of it!?

Take a look at us history around the start of the 1900s. Pretty much no regulation. See all the issues that came up during the industrial rev. And the outcry that caused regulation.

Hey you stupid dense moron, for the 100th fucking time, no one is talking about no regulations at all. How fucking stupid are you anyway?

Read the post I was responding too. I didnt bring it up.

Wether you started it or not is irrelevant.

 

[PredFan]

No we don't. We need a basic set of laws that are already in place and we need to get rid of the ones that are nothing but job killers and let the free market do the rest. No one is going to die, it simply is not true.

Lol, you are so mistaken. Bad products kill consumers all the time.

Here is a list of contaminated food incidents and that does not include so many other problematic industries like the automobile industry, toy makers, etc.

• 1968 - Yushō disease; mass poisoning resulting from contamination of rice bran oil with PCBs in Kyūshū, Japan
• 1972 – mercury poisoning in Iraq kills 100 to 400 as seeds treated with mercury as a fungicide that are meant for planting are used as food[13][14] "Informed travelers from Baghdad say Iraq is in the grip of a severe mercury-poisoning outbreak. The travelers, who arrived last night, reported that 100 to 400 people had died since the outbreak began early in February."
• 1973 – Widespread poisoning of populace following Michigan cattle contamination following feed contamination with flame retardant[15][16][17]
• 1974–1976 – Afghanistan: widespread poisoning (an estimated 7800 people affected with hepatic veno-occlusive disease (liver damage) and about 1600 deaths) was attributed to wheat contaminated with weed seeds known as charmac (Heliotropium popovii. H Riedl) that contain pyrrolizidine alkaloids.[7]
• 1976 – Seveso dioxin contamination in Italy.
• 1981 – Spanish Toxic Oil Syndrome. Thousands permanently damaged due to eating industrial colza oil denatured with aniline sold as olive oil. There was strong suspicion that the cause was in fact insecticide in Spanish tomatoes, and that official agencies actively supported the contaminated oil position, suppressing evidence contradicting it.[18]
• 1985 – Adulteration of Austrian wines with diethylene glycol.[19]
• 1986 – Adulteration of Italian wines with ethylene glycol killed more than 18 people[19]
• 1987 – Beech-Nut Nutrition Corporation paid $2.2 million, then the largest fine issued, for violating the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act by selling artificially flavored sugar water as apple juice. John F. Lavery, the company's vice president for operations was convicted in criminal court and sentenced to a year and a day in jail; Niels L. Hoyvald, the president of the company, also convicted, served six months of community service. Each of them also paid a $100,000 fine[20]
• 1989 – Milk contamination with dioxin in Belgium[21]
• 1994 – Ground paprika in Hungary was found to be adulterated with lead oxide, causing deaths of several people, while dozens of others became sick.[22]
• 1998 – In New Delhi, India adulteration of edible mustard oil with Argemone mexicana seed oil caused epidemic dropsy in thousands of people.[23] Epidemic dropsy is a clinical state resulting from consumption of edible oils adulterated with Argemone mexicana seed oil that contains the toxic alkaloids sanguinarine and dihydrosanguinarine. The epidemic in 1998 at New Delhi is the largest so far, in which over 60 persons lost their lives and more than 3000 victims were hospitalized.Even after that the epidemics occurred at alarming frequency at Gwalior (2000), Kannauj (2002) and Lucknow (2005) cities of India.[24]
• 1998 – In Germany and the Netherlands, meat and milk were found with elevated dioxin concentrations. The dioxin was traced to citrus pulp from Brazil that had been neutralized with dioxin-contaminated lime. 92,000 tons of citrus pulp was discarded. The citrus pulp market collapsed in some European countries. A tolerance level for dioxins in citrus pulp was set by the European Commission.[25]
• 1999 – In Belgium, animal feed contaminated with dioxins and polychlorinated biphenyls affected more than 2500 poultry and pig farms. This incident led to the formation of the Belgium Federal Food Safety Agency. The loss to the Belgium economy was estimated at €1500-€2000M.[26][27]
• 1999–2000 – In Afghanistan, there were an estimated 400 cases of liver damage and over 100 deaths due to pyrrolizidine poisoning. The food source was not identified.[7]
• 2001 – Spanish olive pomace oil was contaminated with polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Contaminated product was recalled.[28]
• 2002 – In Northern Ireland, nitrofurans were detected in 5 (of 45) samples of chicken imported from Thailand and Brazil. The product was withdrawn and destroyed.[29]
• 2002 – In the UK, nitrofurans were detected in 16 (of 77) samples of prawns and shrimps imported from SE Asia. Affected batches were withdrawn and destroyed.[30]
• 2002 – In the UK and Canada, the banned antibiotic, chloramphenicol, was found in honey from China[31]
• 2003 – dioxins were found in animal feed that was contaminated with bakery waste that had been dried by firing with waste wood.[1]
• 2003 – The banned veterinary antibiotic nitrofurans were found in chicken from Portugal. Poultry from 43 farms was destroyed. Nitrofurans are banned from food because of concerns including a possible increased risk of cancer in humans through long-term consumption.[32]
• 2004 – Organic free-range chicken was found to contain traces of the banned veterinary drug, nitrofuran. Up to 23 tonnes of affected chicken, originating from a farm in Northern Ireland, was distributed to supermarkets across the UK resulting in a voluntary product recall and consumer warnings.[33]
• 2004 – The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) detected chloramphenicol in honey labelled as product of Canada. Chloramphenicol is banned for use in food-producing animals, including honey bees, in Canada as well as in a number of other countries. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) informed Health Canada that five lots of honey labelled as "Product of Canada" were distributed in British Columbia and were found to contain residues of the banned drug chloramphenicol. A voluntary food recall occurred.[34]
• 2004 – New Zealand soy milk manufactured with added kelp contained toxic levels of iodine. Consumption of this product was linked to five cases of thyrotoxicosos. The manufacturer ceased production and re-formulated the product line.[35][36]
• 2004 – New Zealand cornflour and cornflour-containing products were contaminated with lead, thought to have occurred as a result of bulk shipping of corn (maize) contaminated by previous cargo in the same storage. Affected product was distributed in New Zealand, Fiji and Australia. Four products were recalled.[37]
• 2004 – Aflatoxin-contaminated maize in Kenya resulted in 317 cases of hepatic failure and 125 deaths.[38]
• 2004 – EHEC O104:H4 in South Korea, researchers pointed at contaminated hamburgers as a possible cause.[39][40]
• 2005 – Worcester sauce in the UK was found to contain the banned food colouring, Sudan I dye, that was traced to imported adulterated chilli powder. 576 food products were recalled.[41][42]
• 2005 – Farmed salmon in British Columbia, Canada was found to contain the banned fungicide malachite green. 54 tonnes of fish was recalled. The incident resulted in an estimated $2.4-13M (USD) lost revenue.[43]
• 2006 – Pork, in China, containing clenbuterol when pigs were illegally fed the banned chemical to enhance fat burning and muscle growth, affected over 300 persons.[44]
• 2007 – Pet food recalls occurred in North America, Europe, and South Africa as a result of Chinese protein export contamination using melamine as an adulterant.
• 2008 – Baby milk scandal, in China. 300,000 babies affected, 51,900 hospitalisations and 6 infant deaths. Lost revenue compensation~$30M, bankruptcy, trade restrictions imposed (by 68 countries, 60 or more arrests, two executions, one life sentence, and loss of consumer confidence.[45][46] Melamine from the contaminated protein worked into the food chain a year later[47]
• 2008 – Wheat flour contaminated with naturally-occurring pyrrolidizine alkaloids is thought to be the cause of 38 cases of hepatic veno-occlusive disease including 4 deaths in Afghanistan[7]
• 2008 – Irish pork crisis of 2008: Irish pork and pork products exported to 23 countries was traced and much was recalled when animal feed was contaminated with dioxins in the feed drying process. The cost of cattle and pig culling exceeded €4M, compensation for lost revenue was estimated to be €200M.[48][49]
• 2008 – It was discovered that additives included substances like sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid had been used to dilute wines in Italy.[50]
• 2009 – Pork, in China, containing the banned chemical clenbuterol when pigs were illegally fed it to enhance fat burning and muscle growth. 70 persons were hospitalised in Guangzhou with stomach pains and diarrhoea after eating contaminated pig organs[44]
• 2009 – Hoola Pops from Mexico contaminated with lead[51]
• 2009 – Bonsoy-brand Soymilk in Australia, enriched with 'Kombu' seaweed resulted in high levels of iodine, and 48 cases of thyroid problems. The product was voluntarily recalled and a settlement of 25 million AUS$ later reached with the victims.[52][53]
• 2010 – Snakes in China were contaminated with clenbuterol when fed frogs treated with clenbuterol. 13 people were hospitalised after eating contaminated snake. There were 113 prosecutions in 2011 relating to clenbuterol, with sentences ranging from three years imprisonment to death.[54][55]
• 2011 – Poor-quality illegal alcohol in West Bengal has resulted in an estimated 126 deaths. The alcohol may have contained ammonium nitrate and/or methanol.[56]
• 2011 – German E. coli O104:H4 outbreak was caused by EHEC O104:H4 contaminated fenugreek seeds imported from Egypt in 2009 and 2010, from which sprouts were grown in Germany.
• 2011 – Vinegar from China contaminated with ethylene glycol when stored in tanks that previously contained antifreeze, led to 11 deaths and an estimated 120 cases of illness.[57]
• 2011 – Meat, eggs and egg products in Germany contaminated from animal feed containing fat contaminated with dioxins. 4,700 German farms affected. 8,000 hens and hundreds of pigs were culled. Imports from Germany to China were banned[58][59]
• 2012 – More than a quarter of a million chicken eggs were recalled in Germany after in-house testing discovered "excessive levels" of the poisonous chemical, dioxin.[60]
• 2012, June – A Brazilian housewife discovered an apparently used condom at the bottom of a can of Knorr tomato paste. Unilever was fined £3,100 ($4,800) by the Supreme Federal Court. She was awarded £1,110 ($1,700) for moral damages, as she and her family had consumed a meal prepared with the paste.[61][62]
• 2012, July – Around 1 million pots of herbs had to be destroyed in North Rhine-Westphalia after treatment with an apparently organic plant growth strengthener was found to contain DDAC (didecyl dimethyl ammonium chloride) which resulted in contamination levels above the EU MRL of 0.01 mg/kg. This has resulted in significant additional costs to member states across the EU who put in place a monitoring programme until February 2013 for DDAC and other quaternary ammonium compounds across a wide range of commodity groups.
• 2012, August to September – Multiple American Licorice Company black licorice products recalled due to high lead levels in the products. Consuming a bag of product could give children lead levels as high as 13.2 micrograms/daily limit, double the amount regulators consider actionable.[63]
• 2013, January – It was disclosed that horse meat contaminated beef burgers had been on sale in Britain and Ireland. Two companies, ABP Food Group and Liffey Meats, had supplied various supermarkets with contaminated own brand burgers from their meat factories in the U.K. and Ireland.
• 2013, February – In Germany 200 farms are suspected of selling eggs as "organic" but not adhering to the conditions required for the label.[64]
• 2013, March – A batch of 1800 almond cakes with butter cream and butterscotch from the Swedish supplier, Almondy, on its way to the IKEA store in Shanghai were found by Chinese authorities to have a too high amount of coliform bacteria and were subsequently destroyed.[65]
• 2013, March – A vegetable seller in western Germany, Rhine Main, realized that the lettuce he had been selling throughout the day contained rat poison. The poison appears as small blue kernels.[66]
• 2013, February–March – Contamination with aflatoxins results in a milk recall in Europe and a dog food recall in the United States. See 2013 aflatoxin contamination for further details.
• 2013, May – A Chinese crime ring was found to have passed off rat, mink, and small mammal meat as mutton for more than 1 million USD in Shanghai and Jiangsu province markets.[67]
• 2013, May – Halal Lamb Burgers contained samples of Pork DNA, affected schools 19 schools in Leicester, UK.[68]
• 2013, July – Bihar school meal poisoning incident, India.[69]
• 2013, October – 2013 Taiwan food scandal
• 2014, May – CRF Frozen Foods recall
• 2014, September – 2014 Taiwan food scandal
• 2015, April – Contaminated milk tea resulted in the deaths of two individuals and affected another[70] in Sampaloc, Manila,[71][72] the cause of which was determined to have been oxalic acid being deliberately laced at more than the lethal oral dose.[73] Murder charges were filed against Lloyd Abrigo, son of the milk tea shop owner who was among those killed in the incident; Abrigo denied the allegations,[74] and the charges were later dropped.
• 2015, July – 2015 Caraga candy poisonings in the Philippines
• 2015, November–December – 2015 United States E. coli outbreak[75]
• 2016, February–March – Mars Chocolates contamination incident, in which plastic found in candy bars lead to a recall affecting 55 countries.[76]
• 2016, April–May - 2016 Punjab sweet poisoning

Yes, business owners will still risk human lives to cut costs and make more profit! FACT!

And businesses are heavily regulated. I can only assume a couple of things from that. That regulations don't save lives or that regulations kill. I can only assume that, if I'm using the logic you use that capitalism and the free market kills. Since we don't have a truu free market and didn't back then either, there is still zero examples of the free market or capitalism killing anyone.

Lol! Read a history book! All these agencies and regs came into existence because of some awful story of business mis behavior .

In other words, the "solution" came after the fact, when the whole regulation mumbo-jumbo is based on the claim of preventing such incidents from ever happening.

Yep. For example . A bunch of people are killed by some drug company . People the. Want regulation!

When did that happen? Specifically when did it happen where regulations would have stopped it? Don't we already have the FDA?

 

[bripat9643]

And businesses are heavily regulated. I can only assume a couple of things from that. That regulations don't save lives or that regulations kill. I can only assume that, if I'm using the logic you use that capitalism and the free market kills. Since we don't have a truu free market and didn't back then either, there is still zero examples of the free market or capitalism killing anyone.

Lol! Read a history book! All these agencies and regs came into existence because of some awful story of business mis behavior .

In other words, the "solution" came after the fact, when the whole regulation mumbo-jumbo is based on the claim of preventing such incidents from ever happening.

Yep. For example . A bunch of people are killed by some drug company . People the. Want regulation!

Do you know how many people have died because the FDA dragged its feet about approving life saving drugs?

Do you know how many have died from drug fuckups ?

What is the definition of "drug fuck up?"

 

[PredFan]

And businesses are heavily regulated. I can only assume a couple of things from that. That regulations don't save lives or that regulations kill. I can only assume that, if I'm using the logic you use that capitalism and the free market kills. Since we don't have a truu free market and didn't back then either, there is still zero examples of the free market or capitalism killing anyone.

Lol! Read a history book! All these agencies and regs came into existence because of some awful story of business mis behavior .

In other words, the "solution" came after the fact, when the whole regulation mumbo-jumbo is based on the claim of preventing such incidents from ever happening.

Yep. For example . A bunch of people are killed by some drug company . People the. Want regulation!

Do you know how many people have died because the FDA dragged its feet about approving life saving drugs?

Do you know how many have died from drug fuckups ?

No, how many?

 

[bripat9643]

So your argument boils down to the price of insurance being slightly higher? That's the justification for this vast regulatory fascist state?

No that is merely evidence that Volunteer FDs tend to be a bit less effective as they are usually understaffed and supply their own equipment typically.

And this is not a fascist state, not by a long shot.

This country has been fascist since FDR ascended to the throne. The New Deal was nothing but pure distilled fascism.

OK, dude, you go with that.

I dont think that what we have had since FDR is anywhere near what the textbook definition of fascism is.

The New Deal conformed exactly to the text book definition of fascism.

 

[Dr Grump]

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It's all in the fine print when you buy your ticket. Not United's fault if you don't read it.

Are you saying the government should step in and create some laws to protect you from making uninformed decisions?

Apparently there are already laws there, thus the legality of the fine print. That aside, they shouldn't be allowed to do it. Why should people pay for their lack of foresight?

 

[PredFan]

You can list all the incidents of bad behavior by corporations going back to the beginning of the Industrial Age, but none of that proves that capitalism kills people. No one is talking about having no regulations, it's just that there isn't a need for a lot of regulations. Such as the one that would make it illegal to overbook a plane.

 

[Dr Grump]

Sooo..if I book a seat on a flight, but do not show up at the gate, the airline should hire bounty hunters, track me down, and drag me onto the plane....

I do not see this ending well.

No, you lose your money..

 

[Dr Grump]

Is Dao a US citizen?

Yes. and so what if he wasn't...

 

[Dr Grump]

The same people that bitch about over booking will scream bloody murder if the ticket price goes up.

Why does that have to do with the topic?

 

[Dr Grump]

While I agree that overbooking is a terrible practice, realize that if it were to go away, so would refundable fares and change fees will skyrocket.

They overbook because their systems tell them that 5-10% of passengers never show up and expect refunds or revised travel arrangements.

I don't have a problem with overbooking at all. it is the reaction when it goes pear shaped. And in this case, to give jump seats to staff? the airline can fuck off.

As somebody already mentioned, when it comes to over booking, it should be last on, first off when it relates to non airline staff...

 

[Timmy]

Lol, you are so mistaken. Bad products kill consumers all the time.

Here is a list of contaminated food incidents and that does not include so many other problematic industries like the automobile industry, toy makers, etc.

• 1968 - Yushō disease; mass poisoning resulting from contamination of rice bran oil with PCBs in Kyūshū, Japan
• 1972 – mercury poisoning in Iraq kills 100 to 400 as seeds treated with mercury as a fungicide that are meant for planting are used as food[13][14] "Informed travelers from Baghdad say Iraq is in the grip of a severe mercury-poisoning outbreak. The travelers, who arrived last night, reported that 100 to 400 people had died since the outbreak began early in February."
• 1973 – Widespread poisoning of populace following Michigan cattle contamination following feed contamination with flame retardant[15][16][17]
• 1974–1976 – Afghanistan: widespread poisoning (an estimated 7800 people affected with hepatic veno-occlusive disease (liver damage) and about 1600 deaths) was attributed to wheat contaminated with weed seeds known as charmac (Heliotropium popovii. H Riedl) that contain pyrrolizidine alkaloids.[7]
• 1976 – Seveso dioxin contamination in Italy.
• 1981 – Spanish Toxic Oil Syndrome. Thousands permanently damaged due to eating industrial colza oil denatured with aniline sold as olive oil. There was strong suspicion that the cause was in fact insecticide in Spanish tomatoes, and that official agencies actively supported the contaminated oil position, suppressing evidence contradicting it.[18]
• 1985 – Adulteration of Austrian wines with diethylene glycol.[19]
• 1986 – Adulteration of Italian wines with ethylene glycol killed more than 18 people[19]
• 1987 – Beech-Nut Nutrition Corporation paid $2.2 million, then the largest fine issued, for violating the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act by selling artificially flavored sugar water as apple juice. John F. Lavery, the company's vice president for operations was convicted in criminal court and sentenced to a year and a day in jail; Niels L. Hoyvald, the president of the company, also convicted, served six months of community service. Each of them also paid a $100,000 fine[20]
• 1989 – Milk contamination with dioxin in Belgium[21]
• 1994 – Ground paprika in Hungary was found to be adulterated with lead oxide, causing deaths of several people, while dozens of others became sick.[22]
• 1998 – In New Delhi, India adulteration of edible mustard oil with Argemone mexicana seed oil caused epidemic dropsy in thousands of people.[23] Epidemic dropsy is a clinical state resulting from consumption of edible oils adulterated with Argemone mexicana seed oil that contains the toxic alkaloids sanguinarine and dihydrosanguinarine. The epidemic in 1998 at New Delhi is the largest so far, in which over 60 persons lost their lives and more than 3000 victims were hospitalized.Even after that the epidemics occurred at alarming frequency at Gwalior (2000), Kannauj (2002) and Lucknow (2005) cities of India.[24]
• 1998 – In Germany and the Netherlands, meat and milk were found with elevated dioxin concentrations. The dioxin was traced to citrus pulp from Brazil that had been neutralized with dioxin-contaminated lime. 92,000 tons of citrus pulp was discarded. The citrus pulp market collapsed in some European countries. A tolerance level for dioxins in citrus pulp was set by the European Commission.[25]
• 1999 – In Belgium, animal feed contaminated with dioxins and polychlorinated biphenyls affected more than 2500 poultry and pig farms. This incident led to the formation of the Belgium Federal Food Safety Agency. The loss to the Belgium economy was estimated at €1500-€2000M.[26][27]
• 1999–2000 – In Afghanistan, there were an estimated 400 cases of liver damage and over 100 deaths due to pyrrolizidine poisoning. The food source was not identified.[7]
• 2001 – Spanish olive pomace oil was contaminated with polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Contaminated product was recalled.[28]
• 2002 – In Northern Ireland, nitrofurans were detected in 5 (of 45) samples of chicken imported from Thailand and Brazil. The product was withdrawn and destroyed.[29]
• 2002 – In the UK, nitrofurans were detected in 16 (of 77) samples of prawns and shrimps imported from SE Asia. Affected batches were withdrawn and destroyed.[30]
• 2002 – In the UK and Canada, the banned antibiotic, chloramphenicol, was found in honey from China[31]
• 2003 – dioxins were found in animal feed that was contaminated with bakery waste that had been dried by firing with waste wood.[1]
• 2003 – The banned veterinary antibiotic nitrofurans were found in chicken from Portugal. Poultry from 43 farms was destroyed. Nitrofurans are banned from food because of concerns including a possible increased risk of cancer in humans through long-term consumption.[32]
• 2004 – Organic free-range chicken was found to contain traces of the banned veterinary drug, nitrofuran. Up to 23 tonnes of affected chicken, originating from a farm in Northern Ireland, was distributed to supermarkets across the UK resulting in a voluntary product recall and consumer warnings.[33]
• 2004 – The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) detected chloramphenicol in honey labelled as product of Canada. Chloramphenicol is banned for use in food-producing animals, including honey bees, in Canada as well as in a number of other countries. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) informed Health Canada that five lots of honey labelled as "Product of Canada" were distributed in British Columbia and were found to contain residues of the banned drug chloramphenicol. A voluntary food recall occurred.[34]
• 2004 – New Zealand soy milk manufactured with added kelp contained toxic levels of iodine. Consumption of this product was linked to five cases of thyrotoxicosos. The manufacturer ceased production and re-formulated the product line.[35][36]
• 2004 – New Zealand cornflour and cornflour-containing products were contaminated with lead, thought to have occurred as a result of bulk shipping of corn (maize) contaminated by previous cargo in the same storage. Affected product was distributed in New Zealand, Fiji and Australia. Four products were recalled.[37]
• 2004 – Aflatoxin-contaminated maize in Kenya resulted in 317 cases of hepatic failure and 125 deaths.[38]
• 2004 – EHEC O104:H4 in South Korea, researchers pointed at contaminated hamburgers as a possible cause.[39][40]
• 2005 – Worcester sauce in the UK was found to contain the banned food colouring, Sudan I dye, that was traced to imported adulterated chilli powder. 576 food products were recalled.[41][42]
• 2005 – Farmed salmon in British Columbia, Canada was found to contain the banned fungicide malachite green. 54 tonnes of fish was recalled. The incident resulted in an estimated $2.4-13M (USD) lost revenue.[43]
• 2006 – Pork, in China, containing clenbuterol when pigs were illegally fed the banned chemical to enhance fat burning and muscle growth, affected over 300 persons.[44]
• 2007 – Pet food recalls occurred in North America, Europe, and South Africa as a result of Chinese protein export contamination using melamine as an adulterant.
• 2008 – Baby milk scandal, in China. 300,000 babies affected, 51,900 hospitalisations and 6 infant deaths. Lost revenue compensation~$30M, bankruptcy, trade restrictions imposed (by 68 countries, 60 or more arrests, two executions, one life sentence, and loss of consumer confidence.[45][46] Melamine from the contaminated protein worked into the food chain a year later[47]
• 2008 – Wheat flour contaminated with naturally-occurring pyrrolidizine alkaloids is thought to be the cause of 38 cases of hepatic veno-occlusive disease including 4 deaths in Afghanistan[7]
• 2008 – Irish pork crisis of 2008: Irish pork and pork products exported to 23 countries was traced and much was recalled when animal feed was contaminated with dioxins in the feed drying process. The cost of cattle and pig culling exceeded €4M, compensation for lost revenue was estimated to be €200M.[48][49]
• 2008 – It was discovered that additives included substances like sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid had been used to dilute wines in Italy.[50]
• 2009 – Pork, in China, containing the banned chemical clenbuterol when pigs were illegally fed it to enhance fat burning and muscle growth. 70 persons were hospitalised in Guangzhou with stomach pains and diarrhoea after eating contaminated pig organs[44]
• 2009 – Hoola Pops from Mexico contaminated with lead[51]
• 2009 – Bonsoy-brand Soymilk in Australia, enriched with 'Kombu' seaweed resulted in high levels of iodine, and 48 cases of thyroid problems. The product was voluntarily recalled and a settlement of 25 million AUS$ later reached with the victims.[52][53]
• 2010 – Snakes in China were contaminated with clenbuterol when fed frogs treated with clenbuterol. 13 people were hospitalised after eating contaminated snake. There were 113 prosecutions in 2011 relating to clenbuterol, with sentences ranging from three years imprisonment to death.[54][55]
• 2011 – Poor-quality illegal alcohol in West Bengal has resulted in an estimated 126 deaths. The alcohol may have contained ammonium nitrate and/or methanol.[56]
• 2011 – German E. coli O104:H4 outbreak was caused by EHEC O104:H4 contaminated fenugreek seeds imported from Egypt in 2009 and 2010, from which sprouts were grown in Germany.
• 2011 – Vinegar from China contaminated with ethylene glycol when stored in tanks that previously contained antifreeze, led to 11 deaths and an estimated 120 cases of illness.[57]
• 2011 – Meat, eggs and egg products in Germany contaminated from animal feed containing fat contaminated with dioxins. 4,700 German farms affected. 8,000 hens and hundreds of pigs were culled. Imports from Germany to China were banned[58][59]
• 2012 – More than a quarter of a million chicken eggs were recalled in Germany after in-house testing discovered "excessive levels" of the poisonous chemical, dioxin.[60]
• 2012, June – A Brazilian housewife discovered an apparently used condom at the bottom of a can of Knorr tomato paste. Unilever was fined £3,100 ($4,800) by the Supreme Federal Court. She was awarded £1,110 ($1,700) for moral damages, as she and her family had consumed a meal prepared with the paste.[61][62]
• 2012, July – Around 1 million pots of herbs had to be destroyed in North Rhine-Westphalia after treatment with an apparently organic plant growth strengthener was found to contain DDAC (didecyl dimethyl ammonium chloride) which resulted in contamination levels above the EU MRL of 0.01 mg/kg. This has resulted in significant additional costs to member states across the EU who put in place a monitoring programme until February 2013 for DDAC and other quaternary ammonium compounds across a wide range of commodity groups.
• 2012, August to September – Multiple American Licorice Company black licorice products recalled due to high lead levels in the products. Consuming a bag of product could give children lead levels as high as 13.2 micrograms/daily limit, double the amount regulators consider actionable.[63]
• 2013, January – It was disclosed that horse meat contaminated beef burgers had been on sale in Britain and Ireland. Two companies, ABP Food Group and Liffey Meats, had supplied various supermarkets with contaminated own brand burgers from their meat factories in the U.K. and Ireland.
• 2013, February – In Germany 200 farms are suspected of selling eggs as "organic" but not adhering to the conditions required for the label.[64]
• 2013, March – A batch of 1800 almond cakes with butter cream and butterscotch from the Swedish supplier, Almondy, on its way to the IKEA store in Shanghai were found by Chinese authorities to have a too high amount of coliform bacteria and were subsequently destroyed.[65]
• 2013, March – A vegetable seller in western Germany, Rhine Main, realized that the lettuce he had been selling throughout the day contained rat poison. The poison appears as small blue kernels.[66]
• 2013, February–March – Contamination with aflatoxins results in a milk recall in Europe and a dog food recall in the United States. See 2013 aflatoxin contamination for further details.
• 2013, May – A Chinese crime ring was found to have passed off rat, mink, and small mammal meat as mutton for more than 1 million USD in Shanghai and Jiangsu province markets.[67]
• 2013, May – Halal Lamb Burgers contained samples of Pork DNA, affected schools 19 schools in Leicester, UK.[68]
• 2013, July – Bihar school meal poisoning incident, India.[69]
• 2013, October – 2013 Taiwan food scandal
• 2014, May – CRF Frozen Foods recall
• 2014, September – 2014 Taiwan food scandal
• 2015, April – Contaminated milk tea resulted in the deaths of two individuals and affected another[70] in Sampaloc, Manila,[71][72] the cause of which was determined to have been oxalic acid being deliberately laced at more than the lethal oral dose.[73] Murder charges were filed against Lloyd Abrigo, son of the milk tea shop owner who was among those killed in the incident; Abrigo denied the allegations,[74] and the charges were later dropped.
• 2015, July – 2015 Caraga candy poisonings in the Philippines
• 2015, November–December – 2015 United States E. coli outbreak[75]
• 2016, February–March – Mars Chocolates contamination incident, in which plastic found in candy bars lead to a recall affecting 55 countries.[76]
• 2016, April–May - 2016 Punjab sweet poisoning

Yes, business owners will still risk human lives to cut costs and make more profit! FACT!

And businesses are heavily regulated. I can only assume a couple of things from that. That regulations don't save lives or that regulations kill. I can only assume that, if I'm using the logic you use that capitalism and the free market kills. Since we don't have a truu free market and didn't back then either, there is still zero examples of the free market or capitalism killing anyone.

Lol! Read a history book! All these agencies and regs came into existence because of some awful story of business mis behavior .

In other words, the "solution" came after the fact, when the whole regulation mumbo-jumbo is based on the claim of preventing such incidents from ever happening.

Yep. For example . A bunch of people are killed by some drug company . People the. Want regulation!

When did that happen? Specifically when did it happen where regulations would have stopped it? Don't we already have the FDA?

Here ya go !

Trial Begins In Meningitis Case That Reshaped Compounding Pharmacies

This is a recent example . 64 people died. Because it was a drug compounding place it felll outside FDA regs . This was 2 years ago!

People flip out over 3 deaths in the Boston bombings . But 64 killed by a drug company , barley makes news .

 

[bripat9643]

You can list all the incidents of bad behavior by corporations going back to the beginning of the Industrial Age, but none of that proves that capitalism kills people. No one is talking about having no regulations, it's just that there isn't a need for a lot of regulations. Such as the one that would make it illegal to overbook a plane.

Actually, I do support abolishing all regulations. That's a basic principle of libertarianism. These issues can all be handled much better by the tort system. Fear of getting sued is a much better motivator than some government 3 letter agency.

 

[PredFan]

And businesses are heavily regulated. I can only assume a couple of things from that. That regulations don't save lives or that regulations kill. I can only assume that, if I'm using the logic you use that capitalism and the free market kills. Since we don't have a truu free market and didn't back then either, there is still zero examples of the free market or capitalism killing anyone.

Lol! Read a history book! All these agencies and regs came into existence because of some awful story of business mis behavior .

In other words, the "solution" came after the fact, when the whole regulation mumbo-jumbo is based on the claim of preventing such incidents from ever happening.

Yep. For example . A bunch of people are killed by some drug company . People the. Want regulation!

When did that happen? Specifically when did it happen where regulations would have stopped it? Don't we already have the FDA?

Here ya go !

Trial Begins In Meningitis Case That Reshaped Compounding Pharmacies

This is a recent example . 64 people died. Because it was a drug compounding place it felll outside FDA regs . This was 2 years ago!

People flip out over 3 deaths in the Boston bombings . But 64 killed by a drug company , barley makes news .

FAIL.

That was a pharmacist, not a pharmacy and not a drug company. The guy murdered people, no regulation will stop that.