True history of the birther movement: Telegraph UK 2011

[Skylar]

Explained over and over to you.

You just won't accept it.

"how would they possibly find the references'?

Well they might read the New York Times- the newspaper with the largest circulation in the United States?

Why do you think the publishers never would have read any of the following publications?

New York Times,February 6, 1990 - daily circulation- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii

Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii

Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii

That last one is interesting- because Miriam Goderich got her Masters at Columbia- and lives in the New York City area- so what are the odds she would- as a literary agent- and Columbia grad- read the New York Times or Columbia Today.

I would think pretty good odds.

Now- who told you that Barack Obama told someone he was born in Kenya?

Again, dim witted moron, you keep saying where the references are. that isn't the question. The question is how in 1991 you find them. You really are just flat out stupid, you can't even comprehend the question

Repeatedly answered- just a partisan idiot like you won't accept anything other than your own fantasy.

How would I find them- as I have said before:

• If I were Miriam Goodrich, I would find them in the New York Times- since she lived in the NY area- which would have brought Barack Obama to her attention in the first place.
• If I were Miriam Goodrich, I would find them in Columbia Today, since she got her Master's degree at Columbia, would get the alumni magazine, and which would have brought Barack Obama to her attention in the first place.
• If I was looking for additional information I would go to the New York Central Library and do basic research- I went to college in the 1980's- and even then there were indexes of articles on people- but the first place I would have looked at was "Who's Who in America".
• And if I was a literary agent who really wanted to know about all of the press on a person I would have contacted a press clipping service- which is what people did before the internet

Meanwhile- where is your evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

Day 11- and wait for Kaz to stop lying about Barack Obama continues.

Let's focus on your first bullet. How would you find it in the NY Times?

It's 1991, I give you a name. How would you find any articles about them in the NY Times?

Let's focus on my last point:

Where is your evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

Sure. It was in his biography. Now focus on my last point:

Save the person that put the 90 word bio blurb together affirms that Obama never told he her he as born in Kenya:

This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

So who claims that Obama told them he was born in Kenya?

Its been *weeks*. And you've never been able to cite a single person who backs up your bullshit. Its just you......citing yourself.

And you're nobody.

It's 1991, I give you a name. How would you find any articles about them in the NY Times?

The same way that Vanity Fair did when they cited the NY Times article in VF's 1990 feature on Obama.

The new president of the Harvard Law Review was somewhat taken aback by the deluge of media coverage that followed hard on the heels of his election. The New York Times ran a “First Black” headline, which probably won’t be the last time that label is affixed to Barack Obama.

You insist this can't be done. Vanity Fair irrefutably did it. Demonstrating once again.....you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[Syriusly]

You confuse your refusing to accept anyone else's answer with not being given one.

Both Skylar and I have pointed out that the biographical information about Barack Obama was available in national media reports- the same reports which likely brought Barack Obama to their attention.

But what you still haven't provided is any proof for your claims that Barack Obama was the first Birther.

None- nada- zilch-zero.

So why do you keep making the same lies- over and over......?

There are two steps. It being there and finding it. Both of you run and hide every time I ask how you'd find it. This is 1991, there is no web.

How ... do ... you ... find ... it ... ?

From the news reports that brought Barack Obama to the agencies attention in the first place.

You confuse your refusing to accept anyone else's answer with not being given one.

Both Skylar and I have pointed out that the biographical information about Barack Obama was available in national media reports- the same reports which likely brought Barack Obama to their attention.

But what you still haven't provided is any proof for your claims that Barack Obama was the first Birther.

None- nada- zilch-zero.

So why do you keep making the same lies- over and over......?

Being in the "national media" doesn't answer the question. The national media is huge. You're begging the question still and just having it appear in your hands. Since you aren't talking to the author ...

How do you find it?

The same way Vanity Fair did when they referenced the NY Times article in their 1990 piece about Obama.

Something you insist can't be done. And Venity Fair demonstrates most definitely could be.

Now....the questions that send you screaming like the were carrying a butcher knife:

1) Who claims Obama told them he was born in Kenya?"

2) Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him?

3) Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

You keep running, I'll keep laughing. You're always great for the endorphins!

you raise a good point sky, where did Kenya come from.
and while were at it, why so much difficulty picking a hospital. and that letter from obama.

Why is everything like this ?? and you think this band of merrymen and women are the most transparent government ever, i just don't get it. As corsi says, everything that comes out, they immediately start back tracking, covering and explaining why it's all so convoluted. this will perplex me for the rest of my life.... unless...



When Slom’s office asked if the senator would be permitted to see the original letter, Smith responded in an email, “Nope sorry, we are not going to do that.”

For weeks, WND has repeatedly left messages with Kapi’olani spokeswomen Kaela Peters and Kristy Wantanabe at their offices in Honolulu, inquiring about the letter, without receiving a reply.



Several WND readers based in Hawaii have at WND’s request toured the public sections of Kapi’olani searching for the Obama birth letter, only to report that it is nowhere to be found.

Slom told WND he plans to continue his efforts to press Kapi’olani to show him the letter and explain why the hospital administrators refuse to put the letter from the White House on public display.

image: http://www.wnd.com/images/090706kapiolanimedicalcenter.jpg

Kapiolani Medical Center
The Obama birth letter first surfaced when then-Rep. Neil Abercrombie unveiled at a Kapi’olani centennial dinner held Jan. 24, 2009, a letter supposedly written by Obama that same day. The letter, on White House stationery, declared Kapi’olani was the hospital where the president was born.

As WND reported, on the same day, Abercrombie’s congressional website posted a notice describing Obama’s letter as “what is believe to be one of the first messages of congratulations” written by Obama after taking office as president only a few days earlier.

Kapiolani published the Obama letter in the spring issue of its Inspire Magazine, using it to solicit donations.

The controversy began in July 2009, when WND analyzed the Obama letter and found that the letter as published by the hospital was not a picture of an actual paper letter but a computer-created likeness.

Within an hour after WND broke the story in July 2009 that the Obama letter the hospital had posted for six months on its website was electronic in composition, Kapi’olani removed the letter from its website without explanation.

In July 2009, Watanabe refused to confirm or deny for WND the veracity of Obama’s letter claiming he was born at the hospital.


Read more at Obama’s ‘birth hospital’ hides White House letter

WND......LOL....

 

[Seawytch]

You have inside information on what?

Since you have a tendency to obfuscate, do you believe that Barack Obama told the publisher he was born in Kenya, yes or no?

LOL, "obfuscate," where did you hear that one? It's the biggest word I've ever seen you use.

What was unclear about my question? My question was how you people know that I actually believe Obama didn't say that since you are saying when I say he told his publisher that he was born in Kenya it's a "lie." For a little girl with a big word, what about that question is unclear to you?

I think of Kaz now when I watch this movie...

Yes, thinking that someone writing a biology about someone would talk to them. Obviously I'm lying when I say I think that.

So I notice you didn't answer the question Skylar keeps hiding from too. You sit down to write a bio about someone. It's 1991. They are unknown other than possibly some blurbs which could be spread across the country. How do you find them without talking to the author? How do you even know if you find a blurb it's about that specific person not someone with the same name? The claim you're backing is that it was their usual process, not just one for Barack Bin Laden Obama. I mean Barack Hussein Obama

Seawytch? Where'd you go? Seawytch?

Kaz, you dance, you dodge, but in the end, you are nothing but birther light. You think President Obama told someone he was born in Kenya, despite that individual saying unequivocally, that he did not. Are you sure you're not supporting Trump? You sound just like his fans.

LOL, you ignore my question then say I "dodge." Let me help you, here's the question you didn't answer while you said I was dodging:

You sit down to write a bio about someone. It's 1991. They are unknown other than possibly some blurbs which could be spread across the country. How do you find them without talking to the author?

You read the newspaper articles about him, duh.

And Trump supporters say Obama lied and said he was born in Kenya but he was actually born in Hawaii. I haven't heard that, link?

You do.

 

[Syriusly]

What lie?

So far the only lie we have clearly identified is your lie that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya.

Wow, Queen Elizabeth, so the British people think I lied that he said he was born in Kenya? Why would the British Empire care about that since your people have no such rule and a bunch of British Monarchs were in fact born outside Britain?

Do tell, I love culture and history ..

Since your post has nothing to do with mine- I will just respond with my post again- since it is as accurate as before:

Kaz- So far the only lie we have clearly identified is your lie that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya

Yet you have not even a theory of who else would make up that he was born in Kenya and put it in his bio without talking to him. All you have so far is it magically appeared and a flamingly incompetent researcher didn't bother to do her job and fact check a 90 word bio.

Do you imagine frequently that words just appear on paper and all humans have to do is fact check them? And since her own story is she flat out doesn't do her job, why would we believe her? I've never noticed any particular affinity for truth either lazy or incompetent people have. In fact it's generally the reverse

I don't need a 'theory' to explain how someone made a mistake. I see people make mistakes every day.

You say we can't believe Goodrich- who actually knows the facts- and then you make up a story about Barack Obama telling her that he was born in Kenya.

Why would we believe you? You have demonstrated over and over and over that you are fine with ignoring the facts and posting your own fantasy as a fact.

She didn't make a "mistake," fact checking was her job and she didn't fact a 90 word bio for basic facts. Why would be believe a self admitted idiot incompetent? And she didn't even say he didn't tell anyone at the firm, just he didn't tell some unnamed group of people she called "us." And she didn't say who did say he was born in Kenya. It was an explanation you could drive several trucks through. Why did she do that if he was innocent?

She said she did. She knows what happened- all you know is what she has told you. Everything else is the product of your fertile imagination.

You keep demanding that everyone else join in on your fantasy.

But it keeps coming back to this- there is absolutely no evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

And the only evidence we have is that he didn't tell Miriam Goodrich that he was born in Kenya

Says you, citing your imagination.

But your made up fantasy still doesn't make the slightest sense. I mean, why would his Literary Agency agree to represent him if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read everything they could get their hands on regarding the man?

And your silly notion that they had no idea what his national media profile was, never heard of nor had ever read any of the numerous articles written about him in publication like the NYT, Vanity Fair, the Boston Globe, LA Times or Chicago Herald....

.......that's just stupid. That's almost certainly how they learned of him in the first place.

So if they know "anything about him" then they don't need to ask him any questions. Got it.

You realize you just stepped into a trap though of your own making. So he didn't tell them he was born in Kenya when they were writing his bio. They asked him when they hired him. I'll stipulate to that, it still makes him the first birther

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

That's not a "fact" that is a statement, and an intentionally ambiguous one

And you 'know' it was 'intentionally ambiguous' how?

From the same source that told you that Barack Obama told the publisher he was born in Kenya?

LOL

Here is a fact- this is a statement by a person who has first hand knowledge of what happened

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie- by someone who has no first hand knowledge, and is just claiming his fantasy is a fact.

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

 

[Syriusly]

Explained over and over to you.

You just won't accept it.

"how would they possibly find the references'?

Well they might read the New York Times- the newspaper with the largest circulation in the United States?

Why do you think the publishers never would have read any of the following publications?

New York Times,February 6, 1990 - daily circulation- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii

Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii

Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii

That last one is interesting- because Miriam Goderich got her Masters at Columbia- and lives in the New York City area- so what are the odds she would- as a literary agent- and Columbia grad- read the New York Times or Columbia Today.

I would think pretty good odds.

Now- who told you that Barack Obama told someone he was born in Kenya?

Again, dim witted moron, you keep saying where the references are. that isn't the question. The question is how in 1991 you find them. You really are just flat out stupid, you can't even comprehend the question

Repeatedly answered- just a partisan idiot like you won't accept anything other than your own fantasy.

How would I find them- as I have said before:

• If I were Miriam Goodrich, I would find them in the New York Times- since she lived in the NY area- which would have brought Barack Obama to her attention in the first place.
• If I were Miriam Goodrich, I would find them in Columbia Today, since she got her Master's degree at Columbia, would get the alumni magazine, and which would have brought Barack Obama to her attention in the first place.
• If I was looking for additional information I would go to the New York Central Library and do basic research- I went to college in the 1980's- and even then there were indexes of articles on people- but the first place I would have looked at was "Who's Who in America".
• And if I was a literary agent who really wanted to know about all of the press on a person I would have contacted a press clipping service- which is what people did before the internet

Meanwhile- where is your evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

Day 11- and wait for Kaz to stop lying about Barack Obama continues.

Let's focus on your first bullet. How would you find it in the NY Times?

It's 1991, I give you a name. How would you find any articles about them in the NY Times?

Let's focus on my last point:

Where is your evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

Sure. It was in his biography. Now focus on my last point:

No- Barack Obama's biography notes that he was born in Hawaii

"Dreams from My Father" 1995-mentions a couple times that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

 

[kaz]

Says you, citing your imagination.

But your made up fantasy still doesn't make the slightest sense. I mean, why would his Literary Agency agree to represent him if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read everything they could get their hands on regarding the man?

And your silly notion that they had no idea what his national media profile was, never heard of nor had ever read any of the numerous articles written about him in publication like the NYT, Vanity Fair, the Boston Globe, LA Times or Chicago Herald....

.......that's just stupid. That's almost certainly how they learned of him in the first place.

So if they know "anything about him" then they don't need to ask him any questions. Got it.

You realize you just stepped into a trap though of your own making. So he didn't tell them he was born in Kenya when they were writing his bio. They asked him when they hired him. I'll stipulate to that, it still makes him the first birther

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

Yup. Kaz is a liar. He can't back any of his claims with evidence. And he knows it. All while being contradicted by overwhelming evidence. And of course, his entire narrative is just bone stupid.

As why would the Literary Agency have agreed to represent Obama if they knew nothing about him? How would they even know he existed?

Its the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard. And the birthers have produced some stunningly stupid arguments.

Yes, I think when you write a bio about someone you talk to them, you think you do it without talking to them. What am I thinking? That's just "stunningly stupid" to think you'd talk to someone you're writing a bio about. Where do I come up with that crap?

You do stick to your stupid arguments like drool to a baby

 

[kaz]

Let us imagine that I said:

Kaz attacks President Obama because Kaz is a racist who hates blacks.

Would that be a lie?

I don't have Kaz actually saying that he opposes Obama because President Obama is black but I can't think of any other reason for him to make that claim- and no one has(or will be able) to present any alternative explanation of why Kaz is attacking President Obama.

Wouldn't that be enough to make my claim that Kaz is a racist 'truish'- you know- like Kaz keeps claiming about President Obama?

Gotcha, it's because I'm a racist. Welcome back to my ignore list

Since you don't normally do this, I'll give you a warning instead. But I've had it with you leftist race whore's who in discussions about Obama on topics with nothing to do with race just play the racism card. I've found removing about a dozen of you ends my seeing it.

Do you think I give a fuck if you run away by using the Ignore button? All I will be doing is pointing out what a fucking liar and coward you are to everyone who reads your posts.

I will repeat what I said-

Let us imagine that I said:

Kaz attacks President Obama because Kaz is a racist who hates blacks.

Would that be a lie?

I don't have Kaz actually saying that he opposes Obama because President Obama is black but I can't think of any other reason for him to make that claim- and no one has(or will be able) to present any alternative explanation of why Kaz is attacking President Obama.

Wouldn't that be enough to make my claim that Kaz is a racist 'truish'- you know- like Kaz keeps claiming about President Obama?

What is different from me claiming you are a racist- and you claiming that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya?

Really- point out the difference- or better yet- run away and put me on ignore.

There was no question about what you think or how you feel in my post. It was informational. The choice is yours. Next time out of the blue you call me a racist you're gone. I won't care then what you think about it then just like I don't care now. The choice is yours

 

[Syriusly]

Let us imagine that I said:

Kaz attacks President Obama because Kaz is a racist who hates blacks.

Would that be a lie?

I don't have Kaz actually saying that he opposes Obama because President Obama is black but I can't think of any other reason for him to make that claim- and no one has(or will be able) to present any alternative explanation of why Kaz is attacking President Obama.

Wouldn't that be enough to make my claim that Kaz is a racist 'truish'- you know- like Kaz keeps claiming about President Obama?

Gotcha, it's because I'm a racist. Welcome back to my ignore list

Since you don't normally do this, I'll give you a warning instead. But I've had it with you leftist race whore's who in discussions about Obama on topics with nothing to do with race just play the racism card. I've found removing about a dozen of you ends my seeing it.

Do you think I give a fuck if you run away by using the Ignore button? All I will be doing is pointing out what a fucking liar and coward you are to everyone who reads your posts.

I will repeat what I said-

Let us imagine that I said:

Kaz attacks President Obama because Kaz is a racist who hates blacks.

Would that be a lie?

I don't have Kaz actually saying that he opposes Obama because President Obama is black but I can't think of any other reason for him to make that claim- and no one has(or will be able) to present any alternative explanation of why Kaz is attacking President Obama.

Wouldn't that be enough to make my claim that Kaz is a racist 'truish'- you know- like Kaz keeps claiming about President Obama?

What is different from me claiming you are a racist- and you claiming that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya?

Really- point out the difference- or better yet- run away and put me on ignore.

There was no question about what you think or how you feel in my post. It was informational. The choice is yours. Next time out of the blue you call me a racist you're gone. I won't care then what you think about it then just like I don't care now. The choice is yours

Do you think I give a fuck if you run away by using the Ignore button?

All I will be doing is pointing out what a fucking liar and coward you are to everyone who reads your posts.

I will repeat what I said-

Let us imagine that I said:

Kaz attacks President Obama because Kaz is a racist who hates blacks.

Would that be a lie?

I don't have Kaz actually saying that he opposes Obama because President Obama is black but I can't think of any other reason for him to make that claim- and no one has(or will be able) to present any alternative explanation of why Kaz is attacking President Obama.

Wouldn't that be enough to make my claim that Kaz is a racist 'truish'- you know- like Kaz keeps claiming about President Obama?

What is different from me claiming you are a racist- and you claiming that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya?

Really- point out the difference- or better yet- run away and put me on ignore.

I think you will choose ignore- because you are too big of a coward to answer the question.

 

[kaz]

Actually none of that addresses what I said. You are parroting their claim that none of the authors give any information for their bios. Then you argue they could have found Obama's articles. Non sequitur.

What you don't address is how in 1991 they would ever possibly find the references in the first place. It would be a bitch to accomplish it today

Explained over and over to you.

You just won't accept it.

"how would they possibly find the references'?

Well they might read the New York Times- the newspaper with the largest circulation in the United States?

Why do you think the publishers never would have read any of the following publications?

New York Times,February 6, 1990 - daily circulation- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii

Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii

Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii

That last one is interesting- because Miriam Goderich got her Masters at Columbia- and lives in the New York City area- so what are the odds she would- as a literary agent- and Columbia grad- read the New York Times or Columbia Today.

I would think pretty good odds.

Now- who told you that Barack Obama told someone he was born in Kenya?

Again, dim witted moron, you keep saying where the references are. that isn't the question. The question is how in 1991 you find them. You really are just flat out stupid, you can't even comprehend the question

Repeatedly answered- just a partisan idiot like you won't accept anything other than your own fantasy.

How would I find them- as I have said before:

• If I were Miriam Goodrich, I would find them in the New York Times- since she lived in the NY area- which would have brought Barack Obama to her attention in the first place.
• If I were Miriam Goodrich, I would find them in Columbia Today, since she got her Master's degree at Columbia, would get the alumni magazine, and which would have brought Barack Obama to her attention in the first place.
• If I was looking for additional information I would go to the New York Central Library and do basic research- I went to college in the 1980's- and even then there were indexes of articles on people- but the first place I would have looked at was "Who's Who in America".
• And if I was a literary agent who really wanted to know about all of the press on a person I would have contacted a press clipping service- which is what people did before the internet

Meanwhile- where is your evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

Day 11- and wait for Kaz to stop lying about Barack Obama continues.

Let's focus on your first bullet. How would you find it in the NY Times?

It's 1991, I give you a name. How would you find any articles about them in the NY Times?

The same way that Vanity Fair did when they cited the NY Times article about Obama in VF's 1990 piece about Obama.

Something you insist couldn't be done. Something Vanity Fair demonstrated most definitely could.

So...who claims that Obama told them he was born in Kenya?

Why would the literary agency agree to represent obama if they didn't know a thing about him?

Why wouldn't the literary agency have read all they could about the man before agreeing to represent him?

Keep running. You've got no answers. And we both know it

I'm glad you know what I think, thanks for letting me know.

You're the one with no answers. Vanity Fair could have done what I said, asked him. Your view that all this research on people is being done without their involvement is idiotic. And again I've both done research in that era and had my background verified by employers. You obviously have zero academic or professional background that you don't know how background checks are done

 

[Skylar]

So if they know "anything about him" then they don't need to ask him any questions. Got it.

You realize you just stepped into a trap though of your own making. So he didn't tell them he was born in Kenya when they were writing his bio. They asked him when they hired him. I'll stipulate to that, it still makes him the first birther

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

Yup. Kaz is a liar. He can't back any of his claims with evidence. And he knows it. All while being contradicted by overwhelming evidence. And of course, his entire narrative is just bone stupid.

As why would the Literary Agency have agreed to represent Obama if they knew nothing about him? How would they even know he existed?

Its the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard. And the birthers have produced some stunningly stupid arguments.

Yes, I think when you write a bio about someone you talk to them, you think you do it without talking to them.

I think if you're writing one of dozens of 90 word bio blurbs in a hurry, you just look at articles on the topic. Its far quicker and easier than scheduling an interview.

And since Miriam Goderich has already affirmed that Obama never told her he was born in Kenya......your entire narrative is your imagination. So....

Who claims Obama told them he was born in Kenya?

Why would the literary agency agree to represent Obama if they didn't know a thing about him?

And why would wouldn't the literary agency have read all they could on Obama before agreeing to represent him?

Keep running. If your claims had merit.....you wouldn't have to run.

 

[Syriusly]

So if they know "anything about him" then they don't need to ask him any questions. Got it.

You realize you just stepped into a trap though of your own making. So he didn't tell them he was born in Kenya when they were writing his bio. They asked him when they hired him. I'll stipulate to that, it still makes him the first birther

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

Yup. Kaz is a liar. He can't back any of his claims with evidence. And he knows it. All while being contradicted by overwhelming evidence. And of course, his entire narrative is just bone stupid.

As why would the Literary Agency have agreed to represent Obama if they knew nothing about him? How would they even know he existed?

Its the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard. And the birthers have produced some stunningly stupid arguments.

Yes, I think when you write a bio about someone you talk to them, you think you do it without talking to them. What am I thinking? That's just "stunningly stupid" to think you'd talk to someone you're writing a bio about. Where do I come up with that crap?

You do stick to your stupid arguments like drool to a baby

As Skylar pointed out- and Kaz wants to avoid


As why would the Literary Agency have agreed to represent Obama if they knew nothing about him? How would they even know he existed?

 

[kaz]

So if they know "anything about him" then they don't need to ask him any questions. Got it.

You realize you just stepped into a trap though of your own making. So he didn't tell them he was born in Kenya when they were writing his bio. They asked him when they hired him. I'll stipulate to that, it still makes him the first birther

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

Yup. Kaz is a liar. He can't back any of his claims with evidence. And he knows it. All while being contradicted by overwhelming evidence. And of course, his entire narrative is just bone stupid.

As why would the Literary Agency have agreed to represent Obama if they knew nothing about him? How would they even know he existed?

Its the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard. And the birthers have produced some stunningly stupid arguments.

Yep- and it takes its usual Kaz Kourse

1. Kaz claims that Barack Obama was the first Birther- claims Obama said he was born in Kenya to his publisher.
2. When challenged to provide proof, Kaz demands everyone else explain how the words ended up in the pamphlet
3. When it is pointed out that the publisher said it was a mistake- and that specifically Barack Obama never told her he was born in Kenya, Kaz says she must be lying.
   
4. When Kaz's fantasy is indulged, and we provide possible scenario's- he ignores them all including that there was a Barack Obama who was born in Kenya.

But be careful what you say- Kaz might put you on Ignore!

LOL......

Actually the ignore threat was for in the middle of the discussion saying I don't believe Obama because I'm a racist. It had nothing to do with the discussion. I'm sick of you leftist race sluts who keep trotting out that tired canard every time you're losing an arument

 

[Syriusly]

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

Yup. Kaz is a liar. He can't back any of his claims with evidence. And he knows it. All while being contradicted by overwhelming evidence. And of course, his entire narrative is just bone stupid.

As why would the Literary Agency have agreed to represent Obama if they knew nothing about him? How would they even know he existed?

Its the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard. And the birthers have produced some stunningly stupid arguments.

Yep- and it takes its usual Kaz Kourse

1. Kaz claims that Barack Obama was the first Birther- claims Obama said he was born in Kenya to his publisher.
2. When challenged to provide proof, Kaz demands everyone else explain how the words ended up in the pamphlet
3. When it is pointed out that the publisher said it was a mistake- and that specifically Barack Obama never told her he was born in Kenya, Kaz says she must be lying.
   
4. When Kaz's fantasy is indulged, and we provide possible scenario's- he ignores them all including that there was a Barack Obama who was born in Kenya.

But be careful what you say- Kaz might put you on Ignore!

LOL......

Actually the ignore threat was for in the middle of the discussion saying I don't believe Obama because I'm a racist. It had nothing to do with the discussion. I'm sick of you leftist race sluts who keep trotting out that tired canard every time you're losing an arument

LOL.....yet you have yet to deny that race is the reason for your lie about Barack Obama.

 

[Skylar]

Explained over and over to you.

You just won't accept it.

"how would they possibly find the references'?

Well they might read the New York Times- the newspaper with the largest circulation in the United States?

Why do you think the publishers never would have read any of the following publications?

New York Times,February 6, 1990 - daily circulation- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii

Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii

Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii

That last one is interesting- because Miriam Goderich got her Masters at Columbia- and lives in the New York City area- so what are the odds she would- as a literary agent- and Columbia grad- read the New York Times or Columbia Today.

I would think pretty good odds.

Now- who told you that Barack Obama told someone he was born in Kenya?

Again, dim witted moron, you keep saying where the references are. that isn't the question. The question is how in 1991 you find them. You really are just flat out stupid, you can't even comprehend the question

Repeatedly answered- just a partisan idiot like you won't accept anything other than your own fantasy.

How would I find them- as I have said before:

• If I were Miriam Goodrich, I would find them in the New York Times- since she lived in the NY area- which would have brought Barack Obama to her attention in the first place.
• If I were Miriam Goodrich, I would find them in Columbia Today, since she got her Master's degree at Columbia, would get the alumni magazine, and which would have brought Barack Obama to her attention in the first place.
• If I was looking for additional information I would go to the New York Central Library and do basic research- I went to college in the 1980's- and even then there were indexes of articles on people- but the first place I would have looked at was "Who's Who in America".
• And if I was a literary agent who really wanted to know about all of the press on a person I would have contacted a press clipping service- which is what people did before the internet

Meanwhile- where is your evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

Day 11- and wait for Kaz to stop lying about Barack Obama continues.

Let's focus on your first bullet. How would you find it in the NY Times?

It's 1991, I give you a name. How would you find any articles about them in the NY Times?

The same way that Vanity Fair did when they cited the NY Times article about Obama in VF's 1990 piece about Obama.

Something you insist couldn't be done. Something Vanity Fair demonstrated most definitely could.

So...who claims that Obama told them he was born in Kenya?

Why would the literary agency agree to represent obama if they didn't know a thing about him?

Why wouldn't the literary agency have read all they could about the man before agreeing to represent him?

Keep running. You've got no answers. And we both know it

I'm glad you know what I think, thanks for letting me know.

I certainly know what sends you running:


Who claims that Obama told them he was born in Kenya?

Why would the literary agency agree to represent obama if they didn't know a thing about him?

Why wouldn't the literary agency have read all they could about the man before agreeing to represent him?

Tuck your tail back between those quivering haunches......and keep running. As neither your desperate rout nor the questions are going anywhere.

Vanity Fair could have done what I said, asked him.

That would have made them *aware* of the article. But not what it said. They cited the NY Times article.

You insist that this was something that couldn't be done in 1991. That there was no way to research articles, that the literary agency that represented Obama was neither aware nor had ever read any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, the Chicago Herald, Boston Globe or Vanity Fair.

Which is the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard. Prove any of your batshit. As I've already demonstated that news articles were accessible.....as Vanity Fair irrefutably did exactly that. And it makes no sense. Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know a damn thing about him?

How would they have even learned of Obama?

You can't say. So you flee. And I laugh. See how your rout works?

 

[kaz]

There are two steps. It being there and finding it. Both of you run and hide every time I ask how you'd find it. This is 1991, there is no web.

How ... do ... you ... find ... it ... ?

From the news reports that brought Barack Obama to the agencies attention in the first place.

You confuse your refusing to accept anyone else's answer with not being given one.

Both Skylar and I have pointed out that the biographical information about Barack Obama was available in national media reports- the same reports which likely brought Barack Obama to their attention.

But what you still haven't provided is any proof for your claims that Barack Obama was the first Birther.

None- nada- zilch-zero.

So why do you keep making the same lies- over and over......?

Being in the "national media" doesn't answer the question. The national media is huge. You're begging the question still and just having it appear in your hands. Since you aren't talking to the author ...

How do you find it?

The same way Vanity Fair did when they referenced the NY Times article in their 1990 piece about Obama.

Something you insist can't be done. And Venity Fair demonstrates most definitely could be.

Now....the questions that send you screaming like the were carrying a butcher knife:

1) Who claims Obama told them he was born in Kenya?"

2) Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him?

3) Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

You keep running, I'll keep laughing. You're always great for the endorphins!

you raise a good point sky, where did Kenya come from.

Apparently Miriam Goderich got the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama confused with the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama.

Why didn't she say that? Why is it suddenly speculation is OK when you are doing it?

 

[Skylar]

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

Yup. Kaz is a liar. He can't back any of his claims with evidence. And he knows it. All while being contradicted by overwhelming evidence. And of course, his entire narrative is just bone stupid.

As why would the Literary Agency have agreed to represent Obama if they knew nothing about him? How would they even know he existed?

Its the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard. And the birthers have produced some stunningly stupid arguments.

Yep- and it takes its usual Kaz Kourse

1. Kaz claims that Barack Obama was the first Birther- claims Obama said he was born in Kenya to his publisher.
2. When challenged to provide proof, Kaz demands everyone else explain how the words ended up in the pamphlet
3. When it is pointed out that the publisher said it was a mistake- and that specifically Barack Obama never told her he was born in Kenya, Kaz says she must be lying.
   
4. When Kaz's fantasy is indulged, and we provide possible scenario's- he ignores them all including that there was a Barack Obama who was born in Kenya.

But be careful what you say- Kaz might put you on Ignore!

LOL......

Actually the ignore threat was for in the middle of the discussion saying I don't believe Obama because I'm a racist. It had nothing to do with the discussion. I'm sick of you leftist race sluts who keep trotting out that tired canard every time you're losing an arument

What an obtuse and obvious attempt at evasion.

You claimed that Obama said he was born in Kenya. Who backs up your claim? Who claims that Obama told them he was born in Kenya?

The answer is simple: No one. You've imagined it all. Citing yourself. And you're nobody.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Wow, Queen Elizabeth, so the British people think I lied that he said he was born in Kenya? Why would the British Empire care about that since your people have no such rule and a bunch of British Monarchs were in fact born outside Britain?

Do tell, I love culture and history ..

Since your post has nothing to do with mine- I will just respond with my post again- since it is as accurate as before:

Kaz- So far the only lie we have clearly identified is your lie that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya

Yet you have not even a theory of who else would make up that he was born in Kenya and put it in his bio without talking to him. All you have so far is it magically appeared and a flamingly incompetent researcher didn't bother to do her job and fact check a 90 word bio.

Do you imagine frequently that words just appear on paper and all humans have to do is fact check them? And since her own story is she flat out doesn't do her job, why would we believe her? I've never noticed any particular affinity for truth either lazy or incompetent people have. In fact it's generally the reverse

I don't need a 'theory' to explain how someone made a mistake. I see people make mistakes every day.

You say we can't believe Goodrich- who actually knows the facts- and then you make up a story about Barack Obama telling her that he was born in Kenya.

Why would we believe you? You have demonstrated over and over and over that you are fine with ignoring the facts and posting your own fantasy as a fact.

She didn't make a "mistake," fact checking was her job and she didn't fact a 90 word bio for basic facts. Why would be believe a self admitted idiot incompetent? And she didn't even say he didn't tell anyone at the firm, just he didn't tell some unnamed group of people she called "us." And she didn't say who did say he was born in Kenya. It was an explanation you could drive several trucks through. Why did she do that if he was innocent?

She said she did. She knows what happened- all you know is what she has told you. Everything else is the product of your fertile imagination.

You keep demanding that everyone else join in on your fantasy.

But it keeps coming back to this- there is absolutely no evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

And the only evidence we have is that he didn't tell Miriam Goodrich that he was born in Kenya

So if they know "anything about him" then they don't need to ask him any questions. Got it.

You realize you just stepped into a trap though of your own making. So he didn't tell them he was born in Kenya when they were writing his bio. They asked him when they hired him. I'll stipulate to that, it still makes him the first birther

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

That's not a "fact" that is a statement, and an intentionally ambiguous one

And you 'know' it was 'intentionally ambiguous' how?

From the same source that told you that Barack Obama told the publisher he was born in Kenya?

LOL

Here is a fact- this is a statement by a person who has first hand knowledge of what happened

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie- by someone who has no first hand knowledge, and is just claiming his fantasy is a fact.

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

If Goderich knew she made a mistake, then why didn't she correct it during those 16 years and
several revisions of the book?


From 2003

From April 2007:

 

[Skylar]

From the news reports that brought Barack Obama to the agencies attention in the first place.

You confuse your refusing to accept anyone else's answer with not being given one.

Both Skylar and I have pointed out that the biographical information about Barack Obama was available in national media reports- the same reports which likely brought Barack Obama to their attention.

But what you still haven't provided is any proof for your claims that Barack Obama was the first Birther.

None- nada- zilch-zero.

So why do you keep making the same lies- over and over......?

Being in the "national media" doesn't answer the question. The national media is huge. You're begging the question still and just having it appear in your hands. Since you aren't talking to the author ...

How do you find it?

The same way Vanity Fair did when they referenced the NY Times article in their 1990 piece about Obama.

Something you insist can't be done. And Venity Fair demonstrates most definitely could be.

Now....the questions that send you screaming like the were carrying a butcher knife:

1) Who claims Obama told them he was born in Kenya?"

2) Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him?

3) Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

You keep running, I'll keep laughing. You're always great for the endorphins!

you raise a good point sky, where did Kenya come from.

Apparently Miriam Goderich got the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama confused with the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama.

Why didn't she say that? Why is it suddenly speculation is OK when you are doing it?

Because I'm not contradicting her, claiming that I know better. My speculation fits her account perfectly.

Yours doesn't. You say Obama said he was born in Kenya. Miriam Goderich explicitly contradicts you:

This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

But you know better, huh? You've even invented an elaborate backstory, backed by jack shit.

So who claims that Obama told them he was born in Kenya?

You keep running from this cartoon simple question. And we both know the answer: No one. If your argument had merit, you wouldn't have to run.

 

[Skylar]

Since your post has nothing to do with mine- I will just respond with my post again- since it is as accurate as before:

Kaz- So far the only lie we have clearly identified is your lie that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya

Yet you have not even a theory of who else would make up that he was born in Kenya and put it in his bio without talking to him. All you have so far is it magically appeared and a flamingly incompetent researcher didn't bother to do her job and fact check a 90 word bio.

Do you imagine frequently that words just appear on paper and all humans have to do is fact check them? And since her own story is she flat out doesn't do her job, why would we believe her? I've never noticed any particular affinity for truth either lazy or incompetent people have. In fact it's generally the reverse

I don't need a 'theory' to explain how someone made a mistake. I see people make mistakes every day.

You say we can't believe Goodrich- who actually knows the facts- and then you make up a story about Barack Obama telling her that he was born in Kenya.

Why would we believe you? You have demonstrated over and over and over that you are fine with ignoring the facts and posting your own fantasy as a fact.

She didn't make a "mistake," fact checking was her job and she didn't fact a 90 word bio for basic facts. Why would be believe a self admitted idiot incompetent? And she didn't even say he didn't tell anyone at the firm, just he didn't tell some unnamed group of people she called "us." And she didn't say who did say he was born in Kenya. It was an explanation you could drive several trucks through. Why did she do that if he was innocent?

She said she did. She knows what happened- all you know is what she has told you. Everything else is the product of your fertile imagination.

You keep demanding that everyone else join in on your fantasy.

But it keeps coming back to this- there is absolutely no evidence that Barack Obama ever told anyone he was born in Kenya

And the only evidence we have is that he didn't tell Miriam Goodrich that he was born in Kenya

Laughing......nope. You did.

As your entire argument is predicated on the Literary Agency never reading any of the numerous articles about Obama in the NY Times, the LA Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald and others ....nor even being aware they exist. Nor having the slightest clue about his national media profile.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Nor does it make the slightest sense.

Um....how would they have learned of Obama, who lived in Chicago.....while they're in NY? Why would they have agreed to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? Why wouldn't they have read all they could on the man before agreeing to represent him?

Laughing......you've painted yourself into a corner, Kaz. As your argument is bone stupid. And you know it.

You said that before, he wasn't interviewed about his background later, he was interviewed about it up front. He lied about Kenya when they hired him, not when they wrote the bio. That works, I already told you that. So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

You pulling your pet theory out of your ass doesn't establish anything other than you pull crap out of your ass and call it a fact.

Here is a fact:

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie:

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

That's not a "fact" that is a statement, and an intentionally ambiguous one

And you 'know' it was 'intentionally ambiguous' how?

From the same source that told you that Barack Obama told the publisher he was born in Kenya?

LOL

Here is a fact- this is a statement by a person who has first hand knowledge of what happened

"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Here is a lie- by someone who has no first hand knowledge, and is just claiming his fantasy is a fact.

Kaz: So we have established he was the original birther, just as I said

If Goderich knew she made a mistake, then why didn't she correct it during those 16 years and
several revisions of the book?


From 2003

From April 2007:

And when did Miriam Goderich say she realized she'd made a mistake?

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Misprints are also corrected when information is re-published. Acton & Dystel re-published the Obama biography time after time over several years with that detail remaining unchanged. How does that happen? If I had an agent who was misrepresenting my origin of birth, I’d sure as heck let him know about it and make sure the information was corrected. Barack Obama didn’t. Why? Logic suggests he gave them information to Goderich himself.