True history of the birther movement: Telegraph UK 2011

[washamericom]

Wash and Steve lied,
With them the truth died.

don't quit your day job.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Wash and Steve lied,
With them the truth died.

don't quit your day job.

I retired very well, little buddy.

You lost this argument the first time you ever adopted the birfer lie.

 

[washamericom]

Where anyone was born is one of the most basic facts in any bio. It's also one of the most difficult to find without ... asking the author.

One of my daughters moved from her birth State of Maryland when she was two. The other left her birth State of New York when she was 1 1/2 ... months ... old. And you were going to find that how?

Was she ever elected the first women editor of the Harvard Law Review?

When she has articles about her in major newspapers from coast to coast- I will be glad to check on where she was born then


New York Times,February 6, 1990 - daily circulation- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii

Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii

Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii

Obscure promotional pamphlet says Obama born in Kenya- 1991

Chicago Magazine, January 1993- circulation 165,000- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Tribune, Feb 10, 1993- 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii

Los Angeles Times,August 7, 1995- daily circulation 605,243 - Obama born in Hawaii

"Dreams from My Father" 1995- millions of copies sold - Obama born in Hawaii

Barack Obama State Senate Webpage, October 1, 1999 - Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Daily Herald, January 22, 2003- 15,190 - Obama born in Hawaii

Time Magazine,June 24, 2004- circulation 3,276.882 - Obama born in Hawaii

i googled quite a few of these and couldn't find the actual articles. then i remembered i did once before too. but it was on a different forum, but they had your exact list... hmmm obot much ?? obamas birth certificate here....


New York Times, February 6, 1990 - daily circution- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii
Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii
Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii
Obscure promotional brochure paragraph- Obama born in Kenya
Chicago Magazine, January 1993- circulation 165,000- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Tribune, Feb 10, 1993- 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii
Los Angeles Times, August 7, 1995- daily circulation 605,243 - Obama born in Hawaii
"Dreams from My Father" 1995- millions of copies sold - Obama born in Hawaii
Barack Obama State Senate Webpage, October 1, 1999 - Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Daily Herald, January 22, 2003- 15,190 - Obama born in Hawaii
Time Magazine, June 24, 2004- circulation 3,276.882 - Obama born in Hawaii



anyway i'd like to see the actual articles, if you could point me in that direction. Your list is at Fogbow too.

No you wouldn't. As anything that contradicts your narrative is ignored by you. You could find most of those articles in seconds with the information provided. You won't. As you don't give a fiddler's fuck about what they say.

You've ignored the State of Hawaii affirming over and over and over again that Obama was born in Hawaii. No matter what documentation or confirmation was produced. Willful ignorance is your baseline.

i like the one in red, pretty official sounding proof.

Proof of a simple mistake, sure. With every citation both before and after citing the correct location of Hawaii.

But as is your habit, you ignored everything but the one piece of information you think affirms what you want to believe. Exactly as I told you you would.

This is good too:
In late October 2007, the New York Times ran a telling article on Barack Obama headlined, “Obama’s Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say.”.

No link- no citation. No quotation.

More word salad from Wash.

it your list, well you found it, at fogbow. you've seen this before: it's the old "which passport did you use to go to pakistan?". Barack Obama’s missing year

i'll bet john brennen knows.

this is cool too:
This PBS documentary led the listener to believe that Sohale Siddiqi went to Occidental with Obama. This is so far from the truth that one has to wonder why they used this individual as a reference to anything that Obama has done in his life. The truth is Siddiqi was an illegal alien, who only met Obama because he visited a friend, Hasan Chandoo, in Los Angeles during Christmas, 1980. Do we know even to this day if Sohale Siddiqi became an American citizen? Is Hasan Chandoo an American citizen? did he marry an American citizen? The only person Siddiqi could mention by name in this Documentary was "Vinay". Vinay Thummalapally, current Ambassador to Belize, also never attended Occidental, was an Indian student who did not return to India after studying in America, but met Obama only because he was the former roomate of Hasan Chandoo before Obama moved in during the summer of 1980, is Thummalapally an American citizen? did he marry an American citizen? Well actually he is married to Barbara Thummalapally who actually did go to Occidental, was in the same class as Hasan Chandoo, and met her husband to be because of that connection because you see she was also a foreign student from India, back in those days she went by the name Barbara Nichols-Roy. Her father Stanley Nichols Roy was the General Secretary of the region known as Assam, a northeastern state of India. He was married to Helen Randolph who relinquished her American citizenship. So Barbara Thummalapally was a foreign student but also did not return to India after her education in America, did she become an American citizen? Wahid Hamid also a friend of Hasan Chandoo and a foreign student from Pakistan, and like Chandoo his heritage was Indian not Pakistani. Both their parents moved from India to Pakistan during the 1947 Partition. Hamid transferred from Occidental to CalTech in 1981 and graduated from there in 1983. Hamid also did not return to Pakistan after gaining his education in America as a foreign student, did he become an American citizen? Imad Hussein, Obama's roomate in his 1st year at Oxy, another foreign student from Pakistan, now a Boston banker, also did not return to Pakistan after gaining his American education, did he become a citizen? All of these people at one time or another have referred to Obama as "International". It is about time somebody, somewhere breaks through this wall of silence and exposes the truth behind this man.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Was she ever elected the first women editor of the Harvard Law Review?

When she has articles about her in major newspapers from coast to coast- I will be glad to check on where she was born then


New York Times,February 6, 1990 - daily circulation- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii

Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii

Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii

Obscure promotional pamphlet says Obama born in Kenya- 1991

Chicago Magazine, January 1993- circulation 165,000- Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Tribune, Feb 10, 1993- 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii

Los Angeles Times,August 7, 1995- daily circulation 605,243 - Obama born in Hawaii

"Dreams from My Father" 1995- millions of copies sold - Obama born in Hawaii

Barack Obama State Senate Webpage, October 1, 1999 - Obama born in Hawaii

Chicago Daily Herald, January 22, 2003- 15,190 - Obama born in Hawaii

Time Magazine,June 24, 2004- circulation 3,276.882 - Obama born in Hawaii

i googled quite a few of these and couldn't find the actual articles. then i remembered i did once before too. but it was on a different forum, but they had your exact list... hmmm obot much ?? obamas birth certificate here....


New York Times, February 6, 1990 - daily circution- 1,586,757- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990- daily circulation 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii
Washington Post, February 8, 1990- daily circulation 507.615- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990-- daily circulation 15,190- Obama born in Hawaii
Columbia Today, Fall 1990- Obama born in Hawaii
Obscure promotional brochure paragraph- Obama born in Kenya
Chicago Magazine, January 1993- circulation 165,000- Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Tribune, Feb 10, 1993- 414,590- Obama born in Hawaii
Los Angeles Times, August 7, 1995- daily circulation 605,243 - Obama born in Hawaii
"Dreams from My Father" 1995- millions of copies sold - Obama born in Hawaii
Barack Obama State Senate Webpage, October 1, 1999 - Obama born in Hawaii
Chicago Daily Herald, January 22, 2003- 15,190 - Obama born in Hawaii
Time Magazine, June 24, 2004- circulation 3,276.882 - Obama born in Hawaii



anyway i'd like to see the actual articles, if you could point me in that direction. Your list is at Fogbow too.

No you wouldn't. As anything that contradicts your narrative is ignored by you. You could find most of those articles in seconds with the information provided. You won't. As you don't give a fiddler's fuck about what they say.

You've ignored the State of Hawaii affirming over and over and over again that Obama was born in Hawaii. No matter what documentation or confirmation was produced. Willful ignorance is your baseline.

i like the one in red, pretty official sounding proof.

Proof of a simple mistake, sure. With every citation both before and after citing the correct location of Hawaii.

But as is your habit, you ignored everything but the one piece of information you think affirms what you want to believe. Exactly as I told you you would.

This is good too:
In late October 2007, the New York Times ran a telling article on Barack Obama headlined, “Obama’s Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say.”.

No link- no citation. No quotation.

More word salad from Wash.

it your list, well you found it, at fogbow.

Anybody can find the links online, Wash.

You simply won't do it.

 

[kaz]

you raise a good point sky, where did Kenya come from.

Apparently Miriam Goderich got the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama confused with the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama.

Why didn't she say that? Why is it suddenly speculation is OK when you are doing it?

Occam's razor. One is plausible, the other birther nonsense.

LOL, it cracks me up when you try to use big words.

So you think there are fewer assumptions with that biographies appear out of mid air, information about unknown people is found in newspapers with their names not indexed to anything and then other people are responsible for fact checking that rather than the author just says what their background is? Of course you do ...

You've heard of unauthorized biographies? Where oh where do people get information for unauthorized biographies?

Have you ever heard of journalism? It existed before Google.

You're truly that big a simpleton, aren't you? Classic

Sure, birther boy...if that makes you feel like a man, you keep believing that.

No matter how many times you people spin, you can't actually tell someone doing research in the early 90s how you would find information that I couldn't.

These were unknown authors. I have intellectual integrity. If you could actually provide a response with content that, OMG, WTF, I didn't think of that, I'd totally concede.

But all you show is you're vacuous. Seriously

 

[kaz]

For Kaz

I clicked the show ignored content tab to give you a chance. Which of course you failed. I'm going to give you a chance that I've never given before, a third chance. If you post this, I'll take you off ignore. Last chance. Seriously, syriously.

"I'll cut the racism crap."

Seriously, last chance. Your choice

 

[kaz]

Wash and Steve lied,
With them the truth died.

don't quit your day job.

I retired very well, little buddy.

You lost this argument the first time you ever adopted the birfer lie.

Please. Your father started a business he wouldn't turn over to you because you were a dependency whore who thought you were owed a living. Your own family has no respect for you. Be honest

 

[kaz]

you raise a good point sky, where did Kenya come from.

Apparently Miriam Goderich got the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama confused with the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama.

Why didn't she say that? Why is it suddenly speculation is OK when you are doing it?

Occam's razor. One is plausible, the other birther nonsense.

LOL, it cracks me up when you try to use big words.

So you think there are fewer assumptions with that biographies appear out of mid air, information about unknown people is found in newspapers with their names not indexed to anything and then other people are responsible for fact checking that rather than the author just says what their background is? Of course you do ...

You've heard of unauthorized biographies? Where oh where do people get information for unauthorized biographies?

Have you ever heard of journalism? It existed before Google.

You're truly that big a simpleton, aren't you? Classic

Sure, birther boy...if that makes you feel like a man, you keep believing that.

Name one "unauthorized biography" that was written about an unknown person without talking to them

 

[kaz]

You've never answered how they find blurbs about unknown people once.

The same way Vanity Fair did. They cited the NY Times article with quotes. You insist that couldn't be done. Your claim was debunked. It can and was done.

Now you need to prove that the literary agency couldn't look up those articles, was unaware any existed, didn't read anything written about Obama in any of these publications, and chose to represent Obama without knowing a thing about him.

You can't. You're done. As your argument breaks on the same question it has for months:

Q: Who claims Obama told them he was born in Kenya.

A: No one.

Again, you don't know that Vanity Fair didn't just ask Obama.

That would provide them with knowledge of the articles existence. But not the quote.

You assume, based on nothing, that new paper articles couuldnt' be researched in 1991. Vanity Fair proves they could be.

Your baseless assumptions are debunked.

And "the same way Vanity Fair did" isn't an answer. How did they do it? I researched then, it was tedious for broad information. No one indexed all the random people mentioned in blurbs across the country

Obviously it is. As Vanity Fair's citation is a clear, undeniable demonstration that what you insist couldn't be done....was done. The article was accessed and cited.

What else have you got? So far your imagination hasn't amounted to much.

How did Vanity Fair prove that? They found the article by researching it independently? Bull shit, you're assuming facts not in evidence

Vanity Fair demonstrates, undeniably, that the articles were accessible. As they cited the NY Times article and quoted you. You insist the NY Times article couldn't be accessed.....because you said so.

Your baseless assumption is debunked.

Now, prove the articles couldn't be accessed. As your only source...is yourself. And you're nobody.

Strawman, I didn't say the blurbs "couldn't be accessed," I asked how you would find them. I did research in 1991 for my graduate degrees. How do you find blurbs scattered across the country about unknown people? You tell me and I'll know if that would work and if you actually could do it I'll concede the whole thing. You can't of course, it wasn't possible. Vanity Fair is just a red herring, you have no basis to say they didn't just talk to Obama. That's the question you keep hiding from. How do you find it? ... Skylar? Where'd you go? Skylar?

 

[Seawytch]

Apparently Miriam Goderich got the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama confused with the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama.

Why didn't she say that? Why is it suddenly speculation is OK when you are doing it?

Occam's razor. One is plausible, the other birther nonsense.

LOL, it cracks me up when you try to use big words.

So you think there are fewer assumptions with that biographies appear out of mid air, information about unknown people is found in newspapers with their names not indexed to anything and then other people are responsible for fact checking that rather than the author just says what their background is? Of course you do ...

You've heard of unauthorized biographies? Where oh where do people get information for unauthorized biographies?

Have you ever heard of journalism? It existed before Google.

You're truly that big a simpleton, aren't you? Classic

Sure, birther boy...if that makes you feel like a man, you keep believing that.

Name one "unauthorized biography" that was written about an unknown person without talking to them

Barack Obama was not an "unknown person", Birther Boy.

 

[kaz]

Why didn't she say that? Why is it suddenly speculation is OK when you are doing it?

Occam's razor. One is plausible, the other birther nonsense.

LOL, it cracks me up when you try to use big words.

So you think there are fewer assumptions with that biographies appear out of mid air, information about unknown people is found in newspapers with their names not indexed to anything and then other people are responsible for fact checking that rather than the author just says what their background is? Of course you do ...

You've heard of unauthorized biographies? Where oh where do people get information for unauthorized biographies?

Have you ever heard of journalism? It existed before Google.

You're truly that big a simpleton, aren't you? Classic

Sure, birther boy...if that makes you feel like a man, you keep believing that.

Name one "unauthorized biography" that was written about an unknown person without talking to them

Barack Obama was not an "unknown person", Birther Boy.

Buy a dictionary

 

[Faun]

It was out there long before the 2008 campaign but it is true that the Clinton supporters kicked it up a notch.

"False rumours about Mr Obama’s background first surfaced in 2004, in Illinois, where he was a state senator. Andy Martin, a perennial local candidate and litigant, claimed Mr Obama was secretly Muslim.

Related theories — including that he was radicalised in a “madrassa” in Indonesia — developed after Mr Obama entered the national stage with a speech to the Democratic National Convention later that year.

In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.

It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii."

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

April, 2008?

Well, damn, it appeared on this rightwing site before April...

RUTHLESS ROUNDUP: FREEDOMS ENEMIES - THE OBAMA STORY

 

[Faun]

Here's the email. And a special note. Phil Berg is a life long Democrat. High ranking Democrat. He's the one that brought the lawsuit.

"Berg, whose office was in Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania, is a former chairman of the Democratic Party of Montgomery County, in suburban Philadelphia and a former member of the Democratic State Committee. He is a paid life member of the NAACP.

He is a former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania."

Philip J. Berg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The email.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy,” it said. “She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth.”

Then in August 2008 Phil Berg, an ex-deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania and a renowned conspiracy theorist, filed a lawsuit alleging that Mr Obama was ineligible to be a candidate.

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

That's the story that was started by a rightwing website.

RUTHLESS ROUNDUP: FREEDOMS ENEMIES - THE OBAMA STORY

 

[washamericom]

For Kaz

I clicked the show ignored content tab to give you a chance. Which of course you failed. I'm going to give you a chance that I've never given before, a third chance. If you post this, I'll take you off ignore. Last chance. Seriously, syriously.

"I'll cut the racism crap."

Seriously, last chance. Your choice

i'll support that effort. i've had people like steve on ignore for a long time, quite a few others, it makes coming here so much more pleasant.

syrius would be no great loss, but he is connected to fogbot, so he's been unwittingly good at relaying message and sentiment back and forth to Botworld, dr. c, foggy, historian dude, rc etc.

calling you racist is enough for me to ditch him like an obama promise, and never look back.

let's see how he want's to be.

 

[washamericom]

Wash and Steve lied,
With them the truth died.

don't quit your day job.

I retired very well, little buddy.

You lost this argument the first time you ever adopted the birfer lie.

Please. Your father started a business he wouldn't turn over to you because you were a dependency whore who thought you were owed a living. Your own family has no respect for you. Be honest

ouch... heh

 

[Faun]

In fairness, only Syriously called me a racist. That's why he's the only one that went to ignore

you're not a racist, they know that.
that's the coward's argument as far as i'm concerned, to call racist, not in asking questions about obama or anyone else. they know that too. one day we'll find out what obama's hiding.
syrius gets the other two going... maybe i'll ignore him too... heh.

Exactly, it's their go to strategy when they are losing an argument. I'm just tired of it. I thought when I started ignoring race whores I was going to have to ignore a lot more than I did though, it turns out in my experience it's certain liberals who keep doing it. You make them go away, the site becomes a lot less annoying. The ignore on this site is pretty good, they do just disappear

asking questions still rattles their cages, so maybe there's a clue.

Nope. Nor does your ignoring the answers. But the latter does inspire quite a few giggles.

You've never answered how they find blurbs about unknown people once. You just said Vanity Fair did when you don't know that Obama didn't just tell them ... like he did his publisher ...

Oh, look... kaz is still kazzing. Obama wasn't unknown. By the time that pamphlet was produced, multiple newspapers had already printed articles about him. Even worse for your kazzing... nearly every single item found in that pamphlet appeared in a New York Times Article and a Boston Globe article; both printed prior to that pamphlet. The part of Obama born in Kenya being the exception.

 

[JakeStarkey]

kaz and wash and steve are a keystone komedy running into each other.

 

[kaz]

For Kaz

I clicked the show ignored content tab to give you a chance. Which of course you failed. I'm going to give you a chance that I've never given before, a third chance. If you post this, I'll take you off ignore. Last chance. Seriously, syriously.

"I'll cut the racism crap."

Seriously, last chance. Your choice

i'll support that effort. i've had people like steve on ignore for a long time, quite a few others, it makes coming here so much more pleasant.

syrius would be no great loss, but he is connected to fogbot, so he's been unwittingly good at relaying message and sentiment back and forth to Botworld, dr. c, foggy, historian dude, rc etc.

calling you racist is enough for me to ditch him like an obama promise, and never look back.

let's see how he want's to be.

I had him on ignore for about nine months until April for circle jerking with Faun and Skylar. This one's probably going to be a lot longer if he ever comes back. I'm not optimistic the left will tone down the racism strawman when Obama leaves, but if they did I could be less sick of it and be a bit easier on the race sluts like Syriusly. TBD.

Edit: LOL, Faun is still pushing the circle jerk nine months later so he's still on ignore. Of course there's a different term once the circle jerk was with himself. That's too funny. I just showed ignored content to check one last time and there he was continuing to masturbate trying to revive the circle jerk. Classic. What an idiot

 

[Faun]

For Kaz

I clicked the show ignored content tab to give you a chance. Which of course you failed. I'm going to give you a chance that I've never given before, a third chance. If you post this, I'll take you off ignore. Last chance. Seriously, syriously.

"I'll cut the racism crap."

Seriously, last chance. Your choice

i'll support that effort. i've had people like steve on ignore for a long time, quite a few others, it makes coming here so much more pleasant.

syrius would be no great loss, but he is connected to fogbot, so he's been unwittingly good at relaying message and sentiment back and forth to Botworld, dr. c, foggy, historian dude, rc etc.

calling you racist is enough for me to ditch him like an obama promise, and never look back.

let's see how he want's to be.

I had him on ignore for about nine months until April for circle jerking with Faun and Skylar. This one's probably going to be a lot longer if he ever comes back. I'm not optimistic the left will tone down the racism strawman when Obama leaves, but if they did I could be less sick of it and be a bit easier on the race sluts like Syriusly. TBD.

Edit: LOL, Faun is still pushing the circle jerk nine months later so he's still on ignore. Of course there's a different term once the circle jerk was with himself. That's too funny. I just showed ignored content to check one last time and there he was continuing to masturbate trying to revive the circle jerk. Classic. What an idiot

LOLOLOLOL

Poor, kaz. The only way she can win an argument is to ignore those who constantly prove her wrong.

 

[washamericom]

kaz and wash and steve are a keystone komedy running into each other.

not since i found the ignore button, i haven't steve on my channel for many moons. i don't know why i keep you and the third guy around, i guess because you can be merry from time to time.

plus you obots are the first to react to anything new, i think some things might come out after the twentieth of january, if we're not under martial law, and there's an election.

i think the military people have already looked ahead to maybe obama asking them to do something crazy our own people, something very alinskyish. anyway we're ready for anything at this point.