Trump: “America First”....Democrats: ‘Mexico First’

[Redfish]

If the free market was totally open on a world wide basis, then workers in the US would see their pay reduced to $5/day or less in order to compete with Chinese child labor. OR, American companies would close and everything would be made in china. How exactly would that help americans? We cannot compete with most of the world on an hourly rate basis, everyone knows that. Tariffs keep America on an equal footing, but like most liberals, you seem to want this country to fail. I don't understand that.

Only you would want to be on equal footing with those nations that are lesser than we are. We do not need to compete on an hourly basis, we have never been able to do that and yet we have 4% UE and more jobs than people and 116 months straight of economic expansion.

Which of those things would you like to see end first? Is 4% too low for you so you want it to go up?

Now you are not even making sense. do you know why there are no commercial ships built in this country any more? Because France, Italy, Germany, and Spain subsidize their shipyards to capture the international market---a form or tariff.

the entire world does it but you think its terrible if we play be the same rules. I will never understand why liberals hate this country and want it to collapse.

We do build commercial ships in this country. Why do you people keep parroting the same fake talking points?

Where? name the shipyards building commercial cargo ships or cruise ships. We build lots of Navy and Coast Guard ships, and some barges and tugs, but no large cargo ships, cruise ships, or tankers. I was in that business for over 40 years, I know the facts on this.

Liar..

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LOL, none of those build large commercial ships. Bollinger builds offshore work boats, barges, and small Coast Guard cutters.

ECO much the same but no USCG

Halter has never built any large ships

The last large cargo ships built in the USA were back in the 1970s. The American President lines built at Ingalls shipbuilding in Mississippi

 

[candycorn]

Theres just no other way to spin it folks...let’s be completely honest, nobody in the House or Senate really gives two fucks about the $5B as they have all shown their disregard for fiscal responsibility many times before. This is all about Democrats watching their plan for one party rule slip away as stopping the Brown Invaders slows the degradation of our nation and the growth potential for their Party Of Filth. This is simple shit for third graders.

Mexico isn’t going to pay for the wall?

they are already paying, the trade and the caravan in Tijuana have cost the mexicans quite a lot that we haven't had to pay out.

Edit: again, you are not smart enough to understand basic economics.

Economics?

Okay. Please give us a figure….how much have we gotten from the new NAFTA trade deal as of 1/15/2019.

Estimate….ball park figure.

 

[Redfish]

Stop buying Chinese garbage. Problem solved.

people like golf gator are not able to grasp that simple concept, they only look at the bottom line price to them, people like him are why there are walmarts selling tons of Chinese crap.

I buy the best combination of price and quality. I do not give a fuck where it is made.

I bet you have a Chinese made cellphone..you lying hypocrite.

Apple is opening a cell phone factory in the USA as a result of Trump's corporate tax cuts.

Interesting that you only think of yourself and don't give a shit about the country.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Only you would want to be on equal footing with those nations that are lesser than we are. We do not need to compete on an hourly basis, we have never been able to do that and yet we have 4% UE and more jobs than people and 116 months straight of economic expansion.

Which of those things would you like to see end first? Is 4% too low for you so you want it to go up?

Now you are not even making sense. do you know why there are no commercial ships built in this country any more? Because France, Italy, Germany, and Spain subsidize their shipyards to capture the international market---a form or tariff.

the entire world does it but you think its terrible if we play be the same rules. I will never understand why liberals hate this country and want it to collapse.

We do build commercial ships in this country. Why do you people keep parroting the same fake talking points?

Where? name the shipyards building commercial cargo ships or cruise ships. We build lots of Navy and Coast Guard ships, and some barges and tugs, but no large cargo ships, cruise ships, or tankers. I was in that business for over 40 years, I know the facts on this.

Liar..

Home | Bollinger Shipyards

ECO | Shipyards

VT Halter Marine Shipbuilder | International Shipbuilding Company

LOL, none of those build large commercial ships. Bollinger builds offshore work boats, barges, and small Coast Guard cutters.

ECO much the same but no USCG

Halter has never built any large ships

The last large cargo ships built in the USA were back in the 1970s. The American President lines built at Ingalls shipbuilding in Mississippi

So, now you move the goalpost and it is only large ships we do not make, your first post said "no commercial ships built in this country".

You are such a fraud and a liar.

 

[Desperado]

America First means America all alone

Trump has isolated us on the international stage

You say that like it is a bad thing

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Apple is opening a cell phone factory in the USA as a result of Trump's corporate tax cuts.

Where? When? Are they opening it or just talking about it?

Interesting that you only think of yourself and don't give a shit about the country.

The free market and capitalism is what is best for this country, it is what this country was built on. Not the socialist economic polices you are pushing

 

[candycorn]

Theres just no other way to spin it folks...let’s be completely honest, nobody in the House or Senate really gives two fucks about the $5B as they have all shown their disregard for fiscal responsibility many times before. This is all about Democrats watching their plan for one party rule slip away as stopping the Brown Invaders slows the degradation of our nation and the growth potential for their Party Of Filth. This is simple shit for third graders.

Mexico isn’t going to pay for the wall?

they are already paying, the trade and the caravan in Tijuana have cost the mexicans quite a lot that we haven't had to pay out.

Edit: again, you are not smart enough to understand basic economics.

Well? How much money have we gotten from the new trade deal as of 1/15/2019? You say trade is paying for the wall….how much have we gotten so far?

 

[Redfish]

Now you are not even making sense. do you know why there are no commercial ships built in this country any more? Because France, Italy, Germany, and Spain subsidize their shipyards to capture the international market---a form or tariff.

the entire world does it but you think its terrible if we play be the same rules. I will never understand why liberals hate this country and want it to collapse.

We do build commercial ships in this country. Why do you people keep parroting the same fake talking points?

Where? name the shipyards building commercial cargo ships or cruise ships. We build lots of Navy and Coast Guard ships, and some barges and tugs, but no large cargo ships, cruise ships, or tankers. I was in that business for over 40 years, I know the facts on this.

Liar..

Home | Bollinger Shipyards

ECO | Shipyards

VT Halter Marine Shipbuilder | International Shipbuilding Company

LOL, none of those build large commercial ships. Bollinger builds offshore work boats, barges, and small Coast Guard cutters.

ECO much the same but no USCG

Halter has never built any large ships

The last large cargo ships built in the USA were back in the 1970s. The American President lines built at Ingalls shipbuilding in Mississippi

So, now you move the goalpost and it is only large ships we do not make, your first post said "no commercial ships built in this country".

You are such a fraud and a liar.

I omitted the world "large" in my initial post, I erroneously assumed it since only large ships are subsidized in other countries.

I guess the old adage about assume is true, makes an ass of u and me.

But I, as usual, was factually correct and you, as usual, was factually wrong.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We do build commercial ships in this country. Why do you people keep parroting the same fake talking points?

Where? name the shipyards building commercial cargo ships or cruise ships. We build lots of Navy and Coast Guard ships, and some barges and tugs, but no large cargo ships, cruise ships, or tankers. I was in that business for over 40 years, I know the facts on this.

Liar..

Home | Bollinger Shipyards

ECO | Shipyards

VT Halter Marine Shipbuilder | International Shipbuilding Company

LOL, none of those build large commercial ships. Bollinger builds offshore work boats, barges, and small Coast Guard cutters.

ECO much the same but no USCG

Halter has never built any large ships

The last large cargo ships built in the USA were back in the 1970s. The American President lines built at Ingalls shipbuilding in Mississippi

So, now you move the goalpost and it is only large ships we do not make, your first post said "no commercial ships built in this country".

You are such a fraud and a liar.

I omitted the world "large" in my initial post, I erroneously assumed it since only large ships are subsidized in other countries.

I guess the old adage about assume is true, makes an ass of u and me.

But I, as usual, was factually correct and you, as usual, was factually wrong.

You were not factually correct, there are commercial ships being built in this country, you said there was none. That means you were incorrect.

 

[Redfish]

Apple is opening a cell phone factory in the USA as a result of Trump's corporate tax cuts.

Where? When? Are they opening it or just talking about it?

Interesting that you only think of yourself and don't give a shit about the country.

The free market and capitalism is what is best for this country, it is what this country was built on. Not the socialist economic polices you are pushing

an over generalization. In principle you are correct, but when the rest of the world does not follow that principle, we must play by the same rules or perish.

 

[Redfish]

Where? name the shipyards building commercial cargo ships or cruise ships. We build lots of Navy and Coast Guard ships, and some barges and tugs, but no large cargo ships, cruise ships, or tankers. I was in that business for over 40 years, I know the facts on this.

Liar..

Home | Bollinger Shipyards

ECO | Shipyards

VT Halter Marine Shipbuilder | International Shipbuilding Company

LOL, none of those build large commercial ships. Bollinger builds offshore work boats, barges, and small Coast Guard cutters.

ECO much the same but no USCG

Halter has never built any large ships

The last large cargo ships built in the USA were back in the 1970s. The American President lines built at Ingalls shipbuilding in Mississippi

So, now you move the goalpost and it is only large ships we do not make, your first post said "no commercial ships built in this country".

You are such a fraud and a liar.

I omitted the world "large" in my initial post, I erroneously assumed it since only large ships are subsidized in other countries.

I guess the old adage about assume is true, makes an ass of u and me.

But I, as usual, was factually correct and you, as usual, was factually wrong.

You were not factually correct, there are commercial ships being built in this country, you said there was none. That means you were incorrect.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Apple is opening a cell phone factory in the USA as a result of Trump's corporate tax cuts.

Where? When? Are they opening it or just talking about it?

Interesting that you only think of yourself and don't give a shit about the country.

The free market and capitalism is what is best for this country, it is what this country was built on. Not the socialist economic polices you are pushing

an over generalization. In principle you are correct, but when the rest of the world does not follow that principle, we must play by the same rules or perish.

Perish?

You call less than 4% UE perishing?

You call 116 straight months of economic expansion perishing?

You are a fool

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Liar..

Home | Bollinger Shipyards

ECO | Shipyards

VT Halter Marine Shipbuilder | International Shipbuilding Company

LOL, none of those build large commercial ships. Bollinger builds offshore work boats, barges, and small Coast Guard cutters.

ECO much the same but no USCG

Halter has never built any large ships

The last large cargo ships built in the USA were back in the 1970s. The American President lines built at Ingalls shipbuilding in Mississippi

So, now you move the goalpost and it is only large ships we do not make, your first post said "no commercial ships built in this country".

You are such a fraud and a liar.

I omitted the world "large" in my initial post, I erroneously assumed it since only large ships are subsidized in other countries.

I guess the old adage about assume is true, makes an ass of u and me.

But I, as usual, was factually correct and you, as usual, was factually wrong.

You were not factually correct, there are commercial ships being built in this country, you said there was none. That means you were incorrect.

Thanks for your unconditional surrender.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The Wall was going to be paid for by fixing the trade deficit. Whether that is feasible IDK but currently the deficit with Mexico ~$60Bn if we can get it down to $30Bn then Mexico would have effectively paid for the Wall. That was his plan. I don't know if he can execute. This is not about the "Wall" anyway this is about the Democrats trying to show that the GOP does not keep its campaign promises so that they may use that against them in the 2020 election.

I believe both parties agree that we have an issue at the border. But the Democrats will never agree to a wall because it was Trump's signature when running. This is 100% political and politicians on both sides could not care less about the people in the US, IMO.

 

[jc456]

Theres just no other way to spin it folks...let’s be completely honest, nobody in the House or Senate really gives two fucks about the $5B as they have all shown their disregard for fiscal responsibility many times before. This is all about Democrats watching their plan for one party rule slip away as stopping the Brown Invaders slows the degradation of our nation and the growth potential for their Party Of Filth. This is simple shit for third graders.

Mexico isn’t going to pay for the wall?

they are already paying, the trade and the caravan in Tijuana have cost the mexicans quite a lot that we haven't had to pay out.

Edit: again, you are not smart enough to understand basic economics.

Economics?

Okay. Please give us a figure….how much have we gotten from the new NAFTA trade deal as of 1/15/2019.

Estimate….ball park figure.

here from Mexico themselves, look at the spending to the US.

Mexico Government Spending | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

"Mexico Trade Balance Swings to Deficit"

 

[candycorn]

Theres just no other way to spin it folks...let’s be completely honest, nobody in the House or Senate really gives two fucks about the $5B as they have all shown their disregard for fiscal responsibility many times before. This is all about Democrats watching their plan for one party rule slip away as stopping the Brown Invaders slows the degradation of our nation and the growth potential for their Party Of Filth. This is simple shit for third graders.

Mexico isn’t going to pay for the wall?

they are already paying, the trade and the caravan in Tijuana have cost the mexicans quite a lot that we haven't had to pay out.

Edit: again, you are not smart enough to understand basic economics.

Economics?

Okay. Please give us a figure….how much have we gotten from the new NAFTA trade deal as of 1/15/2019.

Estimate….ball park figure.

here from Mexico themselves, look at the spending to the US.

Mexico Government Spending | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

"Mexico Trade Balance Swings to Deficit"

That the Mexican economy may be suffering doesn’t mean they are paying for a wall….

AGAIN…how much money has the US Treasury received from the new Trade deal as of 1/15/2019?

You said that the Mexican Government was paying for the wall through trade.

All I’m asking for is a figure.

 

[jc456]

The Wall was going to be paid for by fixing the trade deficit. Whether that is feasible IDK but currently the deficit with Mexico ~$60Bn if we can get it down to $30Bn then Mexico would have effectively paid for the Wall. That was his plan. I don't know if he can execute. This is not about the "Wall" anyway this is about the Democrats trying to show that the GOP does not keep its campaign promises so that they may use that against them in the 2020 election.

I believe both parties agree that we have an issue at the border. But the Democrats will never agree to a wall because it was Trump's signature when running. This is 100% political and politicians on both sides could not care less about the people in the US, IMO.

well factually, they don't want Trump to win.

 

[jc456]

Theres just no other way to spin it folks...let’s be completely honest, nobody in the House or Senate really gives two fucks about the $5B as they have all shown their disregard for fiscal responsibility many times before. This is all about Democrats watching their plan for one party rule slip away as stopping the Brown Invaders slows the degradation of our nation and the growth potential for their Party Of Filth. This is simple shit for third graders.

Mexico isn’t going to pay for the wall?

they are already paying, the trade and the caravan in Tijuana have cost the mexicans quite a lot that we haven't had to pay out.

Edit: again, you are not smart enough to understand basic economics.

Economics?

Okay. Please give us a figure….how much have we gotten from the new NAFTA trade deal as of 1/15/2019.

Estimate….ball park figure.

here from Mexico themselves, look at the spending to the US.

Mexico Government Spending | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

"Mexico Trade Balance Swings to Deficit"

That the Mexican economy may be suffering doesn’t mean they are paying for a wall….

AGAIN…how much money has the US Treasury received from the new Trade deal as of 1/15/2019?

You said that the Mexican Government was paying for the wall through trade.

All I’m asking for is a figure.

yeah, ok. again, economics changed in Mexico, correct? based on what, the trade with the US. you asked I provided. now tell me, why are you opposed to saving 20 or 30 billion dollars? I don't get you idiots.

 

[candycorn]

The Wall was going to be paid for by fixing the trade deficit. Whether that is feasible IDK but currently the deficit with Mexico ~$60Bn if we can get it down to $30Bn then Mexico would have effectively paid for the Wall. That was his plan. I don't know if he can execute. This is not about the "Wall" anyway this is about the Democrats trying to show that the GOP does not keep its campaign promises so that they may use that against them in the 2020 election.

I believe both parties agree that we have an issue at the border. But the Democrats will never agree to a wall because it was Trump's signature when running. This is 100% political and politicians on both sides could not care less about the people in the US, IMO.

No, what that would mean is that the US Consumers bought less from Mexico than they did in the past. That doesn’t mean that the US Consumers are spending more on American goods.

Irregardless, the less trade with foreign nations means less revenue for the US government because you can’t tax what isn’t shipped.

Additionally whatever is purchased by American consumers is taxed at the local and state level; none of that tax money goes to the Federal Government for a wall appropriation.

 

[candycorn]

Mexico isn’t going to pay for the wall?

they are already paying, the trade and the caravan in Tijuana have cost the mexicans quite a lot that we haven't had to pay out.

Edit: again, you are not smart enough to understand basic economics.

Economics?

Okay. Please give us a figure….how much have we gotten from the new NAFTA trade deal as of 1/15/2019.

Estimate….ball park figure.

here from Mexico themselves, look at the spending to the US.

Mexico Government Spending | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

"Mexico Trade Balance Swings to Deficit"

That the Mexican economy may be suffering doesn’t mean they are paying for a wall….

AGAIN…how much money has the US Treasury received from the new Trade deal as of 1/15/2019?

You said that the Mexican Government was paying for the wall through trade.

All I’m asking for is a figure.

yeah, ok. again, economics changed in Mexico, correct? based on what, the trade with the US. you asked I provided. now tell me, why are you opposed to saving 20 or 30 billion dollars? I don't get you idiots.

No, you haven’t told us how much money we’ve gotten from Mexico to pay for the wall through this new NAFTA deal.

You put up a bunch of jargon about the Mexican economy failing which, in no way, enriches the United States. Just because someone else loses, doesn’t mean that we win.