Trump bragged that his tower withstood a fire — silent about lack of sprinklers

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The cost of installing sprinklers in Trump Tower would be in the tens of millions.

The Cost of Installing Sprinkler Systems In Older Buildings

How much money does Trump Tower make per year?

None of your damn business. That's how much!

You should suggest some of your posts in this thread to Trump for campaign slogans.

"He deserved to die!"

"None of your damn business!"

Who said any of that regarding the victim?

That would be you, dumbass!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Yes, that's why Trump fought so hard against that law.

Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional.

I don't think you understand what ex post facto laws are.

There are literally hundreds of examples of shit that you make comments on that you have no clue as to what you are talking about, simply because you have been proven wrong about the same number of times.

You may have "doctor" in your username, but that is definitely in proctology because all you seem to know anything about is things any dumbass should know when you are wrong.

Blah blah blah.

A law requiring building owners to install sprinkler systems isn't a "retroactive" law.

Yes it is! Dumbass! If the law did not exist at the time of construction, it is therefore retroactive. Fr someone who claims to know so much, you sure don't do definitions of words very well!

No.

If NYC had passed a law saying "All buildings built prior to this date must have sprinklers installed within the next 5 years, or the building owner will be fined $ X million dollars per unit, . . .", that would not be an ex post facto law.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I've never seen a single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex or anything of the sort with a sprinkler system

How many of those were on the 50th floor?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The cost of installing sprinklers in Trump Tower would be in the tens of millions.

The Cost of Installing Sprinkler Systems In Older Buildings

How much money does Trump Tower make per year?

None of your damn business. That's how much!

You should suggest some of your posts in this thread to Trump for campaign slogans.

"He deserved to die!"

"None of your damn business!"

Who said any of that regarding the victim?

That would be you, dumbass!

You did, fuckwit. Did you forget?

If the little guy is dumb enough to live in a condo, not a chance!

Too bad, so sad!

Caveat emptor!

 

[Markle]

Had you actually read the article..which I doubt..most of you regs never do...you'd have noted that the issue was that New York City made it mandatory for ALL high-rises to have sprinklers..Trump fought that law until the city caved and grandfathered Trump's buildings in.

That's a flat-out lie. Are you so filled with hate that you are forced to make up stories?

ALL high rise residential buildings in existence were grandfathered in.

Having lied about something so easy to check renders your post useless.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional.

I don't think you understand what ex post facto laws are.

There are literally hundreds of examples of shit that you make comments on that you have no clue as to what you are talking about, simply because you have been proven wrong about the same number of times.

You may have "doctor" in your username, but that is definitely in proctology because all you seem to know anything about is things any dumbass should know when you are wrong.

Blah blah blah.

A law requiring building owners to install sprinkler systems isn't a "retroactive" law.

Yes it is! Dumbass! If the law did not exist at the time of construction, it is therefore retroactive. Fr someone who claims to know so much, you sure don't do definitions of words very well!

No.

If NYC had passed a law saying "All buildings built prior to this date must have sprinklers installed within the next 5 years, or the building owner will be fined $ X million dollars per unit, . . .", that would not be an ex post facto law.

Uh, yes it would. You have the legal sense of a ground squirrel and that's giving the ground squirrel lot of credit!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The cost of installing sprinklers in Trump Tower would be in the tens of millions.

The Cost of Installing Sprinkler Systems In Older Buildings

How much money does Trump Tower make per year?

None of your damn business. That's how much!

You should suggest some of your posts in this thread to Trump for campaign slogans.

"He deserved to die!"

"None of your damn business!"

Who said any of that regarding the victim?

That would be you, dumbass!

You did, fuckwit. Did you forget?

If the little guy is dumb enough to live in a condo, not a chance!

Too bad, so sad!

Caveat emptor!

None of what you claimed I said was in that post, dumbass!

Try reading at at least third grade level and you might have it make sense.

 

[Markle]

I've never seen a single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex or anything of the sort with a sprinkler system

How many of those were on the 50th floor?

How many 50-story single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex have you seen lately?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Ex post facto law clauses have to do with criminal matters, not civil.

An example of an ex post facto law:

Someone is convicted of criminal trespassing. They are sentenced to community service. A year later, a law is passed saying that everyone ever convicted of criminal trespassing has a mandatory sentence of 1 year in jail.

That is ex post facto and that is illegal. Unfortunately, sex offender laws are almost always retroactive and illegal but since no legislator has the balls to stand up and say any law against sex offenders is illegal, they are passed all the time.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I've never seen a single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex or anything of the sort with a sprinkler system

How many of those were on the 50th floor?

How many 50-story single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex have you seen lately?

Well, I think his point was that there are inherent logistical differences in surviving a fire in a two-story home, and a fire in a high rise apartment building.

I grew up in a single family, three-story townhouse in Brooklyn. Had there been a fire, there were a lot of possible exits - 2 front doors, a back door, 4 windows on the first floor, 1 on the second that was safe to exit from, a ladder to the roof on the third floor, and a chain rope ladder we could drop out of the 3rd floor bathroom window.

Right now, I live on the 6th floor of an apartment building with about a hundred units. There's one exit, leading to a hallway that could easily be blocked or bottleneck, and is the only exit for 10 apartments.

 

[Lewdog]

When I owned rental properties, mostly single houses but a few duplexes, I offered to install sprinklers if the tenants would agree to a $2/month rent increase. A figure that would cover the installation costs in about 2,500 months. For you mathematically challenged liberals, that's 208 years, 4 months. Not really expecting any tenant to stay that long nor even to own any of the properties that long. Point was, did they want sprinklers enough to put a tiny bit of skin in the game.

One tenant did. She was 83 years old at the time and valued every minute she had left. Her unit got a very high grade sprinkler system installed very quickly. The others? A few didn't want the mess of the installation; most objected to paying $24 more per years (libs: $2 per month times 12 months in a year = $24).

The others failed to see ANY value in sprinklers so I simply honored their wishes. Over the years one of the houses had a fire. A grease fire on the stove which would have been made worse by sprinklers. But the dumb shit living there tried to throw the flaming pan out a closed window so there was more damage than there should have been. Most of it to his clothing but enough skin damage to make him smart. Smart as in suffer a little pain - not to increase intelligence. Could have saved his skin had he put a tiny bit in the game.

I've been a Realtor in Tallahassee, FL and have traveled all over the state giving seminars and lectures. That has been over 40 years. I've never seen a single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex or anything of the sort with a sprinkler system. Complete waste of money. Quality smoke and CO2 alarms are more than sufficient.

If you don't understand the difference between the types of homes you just listed, and Trump Tower and a fire on the 50TH FLOOR, you are a piss poor Realtor.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I've never seen a single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex or anything of the sort with a sprinkler system

How many of those were on the 50th floor?

How many 50-story single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex have you seen lately?

Well, I think his point was that there are inherent logistical differences in surviving a fire in a two-story home, and a fire in a high rise apartment building.

I grew up in a single family, three-story townhouse in Brooklyn. Had there been a fire, there were a lot of possible exits - 2 front doors, a back door, 4 windows on the first floor, 1 on the second that was safe to exit from, a ladder to the roof on the third floor, and a chain rope ladder we could drop out of the 3rd floor bathroom window.

Right now, I live on the 6th floor of an apartment building with about a hundred units. There's one exit, leading to a hallway that could easily be blocked or bottleneck, and is the only exit for 10 apartments.

So you admit you are not too bright?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I've never seen a single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex or anything of the sort with a sprinkler system

How many of those were on the 50th floor?

How many 50-story single-family residence, duplex, quadruplex have you seen lately?

Well, I think his point was that there are inherent logistical differences in surviving a fire in a two-story home, and a fire in a high rise apartment building.

I grew up in a single family, three-story townhouse in Brooklyn. Had there been a fire, there were a lot of possible exits - 2 front doors, a back door, 4 windows on the first floor, 1 on the second that was safe to exit from, a ladder to the roof on the third floor, and a chain rope ladder we could drop out of the 3rd floor bathroom window.

Right now, I live on the 6th floor of an apartment building with about a hundred units. There's one exit, leading to a hallway that could easily be blocked or bottleneck, and is the only exit for 10 apartments.

So you admit you are not too bright?

Shhh. Adults are talking.

 

[Markle]

Only an idiot would live in a condo in the first place.

Why?

 

[Leo123]

Trump bragged that his tower withstood a fire — but has been silent about the man who died in it


I guess the thought that he was against something that may have saved a life...escapes him?

Billionaire too cheap to install sprinklers.

"After the fire, Trump’s former opposition to a law requiring sprinklers in residential high-rise buildings came under scrutiny. In the 1990s and early 2000s, Trump lobbied against a bill that would have required sprinklers to be installed in all residential buildings in New York, backing down only after existing buildings such as his own were allowed to be grandfathered in, the New York Daily News reported.


On Saturday, Nigro confirmed to reporters to that no sprinklers were in place in the upper residential floors of Trump Tower, where the fire broke out.


Several residents also spoke of the fear and chaos that erupted after they realized their building was on fire.


“It was a very horrible experience . . . there was no evacuation system in place . . . we were at a loss of what to do. I almost fainted. I thought we would die,” Lalitha Mason, who lives on the 36th floor of Trump Tower, told the New York Post. “My husband is disabled and we were helpless. All we could do is put wet towels under the door and pray.”"

For the president, however, the fire seemed first a chance to boast of the construction quality of Trump Tower on Twitter, his preferred method of communicating with the public.

“Very confined (well built building),” Trump tweeted Saturday, about an hour after the fire broke out. “Firemen (and women) did a great job. THANK YOU!”

Fire at Trump Tower is out. Very confined (well built building). Firemen (and women) did a great job. THANK YOU!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 7, 2018
Trump also declared that the fire had been extinguished — before it actually had been.

The fire was still not considered to be under control then because of smoke conditions above the 50th floor, Nigro said Saturday. It was brought under control shortly before 8 p.m. Saturday, about an hour after Trump’s tweet, fire officials said.

“This was a very difficult fire. As you can imagine, the apartment is quite large; we are 50 stories up,” Nigro said. “The rest of the building had a considerable amount of smoke.”

Though Trump thanked the “firemen (and women)” who responded to the blaze, his tweet made no mention of those who had suffered injuries.

At the time, the resident who had been pulled from his burning Trump Tower apartment was listed in critical condition, and officials initially said four firefighters suffered minor injuries.

Officials later announced that the Trump Tower resident had died at Mount Sinai Hospital and identified him as 67-year-old Todd Brassner, who lived in unit 50C. They also revised the count of injured firefighters from four to six.

Nevertheless, Trump’s Saturday evening tweet has remained the only comment he has made regarding the fire in his building, where he keeps an office and a residence. The White House said Saturday that the first family was not in New York when the fire broke out.

On Sunday morning, Trump posted about a half-dozen tweets on a variety of subjects, including the “rigged” investigation into Hillary Clinton and how he and Chinese President Xi Jinping would “always be friends, no matter what happens with our dispute on trade.” But he has not revisited the Trump Tower fire, even after news of Brassner’s death.

Totally biased report from a supposed 'journalist' at WAPO but, it's what we have come to expect in the lame-stream media. Look at the way it is written. The story is using some factual data but then cobbling it together with opinion and innuendo. That's the neo-Marxist way.

 

[airplanemechanic]

If NYC had passed a law saying "All buildings built prior to this date must have sprinklers installed within the next 5 years, or the building owner will be fined $ X million dollars per unit, . . .", that would not be an ex post facto law.

No, that would be a retroactive law. Retroactive laws are legal in civil cases. Ex Post Facto are criminal laws that are illegal because they enact greater punishment to those already punished for a crime. See: The Adam Walsh Act

https://www.quora.com/Are-civil-laws-retroactive-in-the-US

Where it really gets sticky is for instance, where someone is in the court system charged with a crime. While their case is making its way through the legal system, the laws are changed and suddenly it is no longer a crime to do whatever the defendant is charged with doing.

You want to talk about getting ugly? I would NOT want to be caught up in something like that.

 

[Markle]

Yes, that's why Trump fought so hard against that law.

As did any owner of an existing building coming under the proposed law, in all of New York City.

Your hate and desperation certainly destroy your perspective on virtually everything. Sad.

 

[Markle]

You dance of the grave of a dead man, not because Trump is right - but because you're a disgusting human being.

That's just stupid. No other way to describe it, just stupid.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

If NYC had passed a law saying "All buildings built prior to this date must have sprinklers installed within the next 5 years, or the building owner will be fined $ X million dollars per unit, . . .", that would not be an ex post facto law.

No, that would be a retroactive law. Retroactive laws are legal in civil cases. Ex Post Facto are criminal laws that are illegal because they enact greater punishment to those already punished for a crime. See: The Adam Walsh Act

https://www.quora.com/Are-civil-laws-retroactive-in-the-US

Where it really gets sticky is for instance, where someone is in the court system charged with a crime. While their case is making its way through the legal system, the laws are changed and suddenly it is no longer a crime to do whatever the defendant is charged with doing.

You want to talk about getting ugly? I would NOT want to be caught up in something like that.

It's happened to people I know, actually. A friend of mine in high school went to jail for a year for possession of an amount of marijuana which would have resulted in a fine, had he been arrested at the time he finally went to trial.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You dance of the grave of a dead man, not because Trump is right - but because you're a disgusting human being.

That's just stupid. No other way to describe it, just stupid.

Go re-read the thread. Tell me what you think of his comments.