trump can't get anyone to post his bond

[bigrebnc1775]

Engoron let Trump speak in trial, which makes an appeal even more likely to fail.

Why lie dumbfuck?

trump defrauded the banks.

How did Trump defraud the banks when the banks used its on estimator and agreed to the value and got their money back with interest?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Probably not.
Only if they commit as many crimes as Trump has, which very few people actually do.
Tit-for-tat and whataboutism are not valid legal arguments that hold up in court.
Either is "WHAAAAH!"

Payback is going to kill you

 

[john doe 101]

Payback is going to kill you

LOL exactly how are you going to pay any of this back, pussy?

 

[dudmuck]

Why lie dumbfuck?

How did Trump defraud the banks when the banks used its on estimator and agreed to the value and got their money back with interest?

judge Engoron allowing trump speak in court is widely reported, but only trump speaking outside court is televised.

Trump habitually exaggerated his wealth on financial statements, deceiving a bank and insurance companies into giving him plum deals. This is not a criminal matter, but instead only a civil matter that is resolved with a fine. Its a violation of civil law to inflate wealth to get better deals.

 

[krichton]

How did Trump defraud the banks when the banks used its on estimator and agreed to the value and got their money back with interest?

Show me where the banks did that for all his properties and I'll consider your claim.

 

[pknopp]

Show me where the banks did that for all his properties and I'll consider your claim.

It's irrelevant. The law was created because the banks are corrupt also.

To say no one was harmed would be like going into court after getting charged with a DUI even though no one got hurt and arguing that.

 

[Care4all]

Why lie dumbfuck?

How did Trump defraud the banks when the banks used its on estimator and agreed to the value and got their money back with interest?

The form document declaring the value of Trump's property assets that banks require for very large multi million dollar loans, was submitted by Trump's Accounting firm and CERTIFIED to be TRUE, ACCURATE.

Banks take the CERTIFIED document by the licenced Accounting firm, to be accurate, and use it.

 

[The Duke]

There was no jury, and don't give me the shit about Trump's attorney forgetting to fill in a box.

They don't allow jury trials for that type of basically unConstitutional case.

 

[The Duke]

Your time is almost up, fuck head.

Your time of reckoning is just about here, boy.

 

[WorldWatcher]

They don't allow jury trials for that type of basically unConstitutional case.

right to jury trial

www.law.cornell.edu

Minneapolis & St. Louis R. Co. v. Bombolis, 241 U.S. 211 (1916)

Minneapolis & St. Louis R. Co. v. Bombolis

supreme.justia.com

You may find this interesting as the historical precedent, confirmed as Constitutional by the SCOTUS, is that the 7th Amendment applies to federal courts. Case citing are in the link. The second link is one of cases which forms the basis.

Then there is the difference between "common law" cases and "cases in equity" which are statutory cases and not common law.

WW

 

[MagicMike]

Payback is going to kill you

You should probably keep in mind that your prognostications on these things REALLY suck.
Last summer your prediction was "Trump will never be charged with any crimes" and you were dead wrong on that.
But I was spot on.
So of course now you've moved the goalpost to something like "just WAIT until the election....and I'll finally be vindicated!"
Naw.
You probably won't.
It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. You just keep kicking that can of false hope down the road a little further hoping that "next time" you're going to hit.
Not only was Trump charged with crimes but he's going to be convicted.
And he won't be winning any election either.

 

[para bellum]

To say no one was harmed would be like going into court after getting charged with a DUI even though no one got hurt and arguing that.

False analogy. A DUI is a crime. DUI defendants are arraigned and charged with the crime, and they are entitled to put up a defense and receive a trial by jury. There are affirmative defenses for DUI, and the State has a burden to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a defendant willfully committed the crime.

 

[pknopp]

False analogy. A DUI is a crime. DUI defendants are arraigned and charged with the crime, and they are entitled to put up a defense and receive a trial by jury. There are affirmative defenses for DUI, and the State has a burden to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a defendant willfully committed the crime.

What Trump did was proven in a court of law. Sadly far too often we allow financial crimes be civil crimes as opposed to criminal.

That most certainly should change.

 

[Care4all]

False analogy. A DUI is a crime. DUI defendants are arraigned and charged with the crime, and they are entitled to put up a defense and receive a trial by jury. There are affirmative defenses for DUI, and the State has a burden to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a defendant willfully committed the crime.

A dui is a misdemeanor in most states, unless a repeated offender, or you harm someone while DUI, then it is a Felony criminal offense.

Granted, this is a civil fraud case and not a felonious fraud case, or a misdemeanor fraud case if that even exists that could imprison you with punushment....

But the example given, still makes sense as an example, to me....

 

[para bellum]

What Trump did was proven in a court of law. Sadly far too often we allow financial crimes be civil crimes as opposed to criminal.

That most certainly should change.

Courts of Law hear criminal and civil cases. The judge called this an equity case. In denying Trump due process, he turned his court into a Court of Equity.

Even in a civil case a defendant is entitled to a trial by jury. There was no jury, no crime, and no tort.

The AG and this judge have turned the statute into a Bill of Attainder, and that is repugnant to the rule of law.

 

[pknopp]

Courts of Law hear criminal and civil cases. The judge called this an equity case. In denying Trump due process, he turned his court into a Court of Equity.

He was denied nothing.

Even in a civil case a defendant is entitled to a trial by jury. There was no jury, no crime, and no tort.

The AG and this judge have turned the statute into a Bill of Attainder, and that is repugnant to the rule of law.

Trump admitted to doing it. As always he simply tried to blame others.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Courts of Law hear criminal and civil cases. The judge called this an equity case. In denying Trump due process, he turned his court into a Court of Equity.

No he didn't, it's been standard.

Even in a civil case a defendant is entitled to a trial by jury. There was no jury, no crime, and no tort.

No they aren't.

The AG and this judge have turned the statute into a Bill of Attainder, and that is repugnant to the rule of law.

This case isn't anywhere close to a Bill of Attainder.

WW

 

[para bellum]

A dui is a misdemeanor in most states, unless a repeated offender, or you harm someone while DUI, then it is a Felony criminal offense.

Irrelevant

Granted, this is a civil fraud case and not a felonious fraud case, or a misdemeanor fraud case if that even exists that could imprison you with punushment....

"civil fraud" is a made-up quasi-crime.

Fraud is fraud. Whether it is penalized as a crime or a civil tort would be determined by the type of fraud. In all cases of fraud, there has to be some kind of scienter or negligence. Both types of fraud require a victim in order to bring the complaint.

But the example given, still makes sense as an example, to me....

Well then false analogies are valid arguments to you.

There are many crimes that have no victims- "attempted" anything is a crime with no victim, because something interfered with the commission of the act. Hiring a hitman to kill your spouse is illegal whether he succeeds or not...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

He's finally starting to pay the price for a lifetime of crime.

Perhaps, in this regard only.

Otherwise, it’s likely Trump will get away with his life of crime.

 

[BS Filter]

You should probably keep in mind that your prognostications on these things REALLY suck.
Last summer your prediction was "Trump will never be charged with any crimes" and you were dead wrong on that.
But I was spot on.
So of course now you've moved the goalpost to something like "just WAIT until the election....and I'll finally be vindicated!"
Naw.
You probably won't.
It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. You just keep kicking that can of false hope down the road a little further hoping that "next time" you're going to hit.
Not only was Trump charged with crimes but he's going to be convicted.
And he won't be winning any election either.

Everyone in the democrat party on 2016 said Trump would never win. You can't cheat this time.