Trump Is Right on Trade: Why Protectionism/High Tariffs Work

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Trump is following in Abraham Lincoln's footsteps when it comes to trade. The policy of high tariffs/protectionism used to be a bedrock principle, if not the bedrock principle, of the Republican Party, starting with Abraham Lincoln and continuing well into the 20th century (e.g., President Howard Taft and Senator Robert Taft, aka "Mr. Republican").

America thrived and became an industrial giant thanks in large part to being shielded from unfair foreign competition by high tariffs. Nations like China have flourished and vastly expanded thanks to fiercely protectionist policies.

Globalists and free traders claim that higher tariff rates will simply be passed on to American consumers and will cost us jobs, but history refutes this claim. Most or all of the companies that sell foreign products in the U.S. would not dare pass on the entire cost of the tariffs to consumers. If they did, most of their products would suddenly cost more than competing American products and consumers could buy the American products instead. High tariffs protect American factories from having to compete with foreign factories that pay their workers dirt wages, that pay few or no benefits, and that have a fraction of the health-and-safety regulatory costs that American factories have.

Furthermore, we know from history that protective tariffs encourage the domestic production of products to compete with foreign-made products, precisely because foreign-made products are subject to tariffs. A company that made products in the U.S. could sell those products to American consumers without having to worry about tariff rates, because their products would not be subject to tariffs.

President Ronald Reagan saved the Harley-Davidson motorcycle company in 1983 by raising the tariff on Japanese motorcycles by 45 percentage points, from 4.4% to 49.4%. He took this action to protect the last remaining American motorcycle maker from cut-throat Japanese competition, and saved thousands of good American jobs in the process. And, incidentally, when Reagan took that action, the Japanese were unable to raise the price of their motorcycles sold in the U.S. enough to offset the tariff, which is why Reagan’s action saved Harley-Davidson.

NAFTA has been a bad deal for us

About 80% of the job losses caused by NAFTA have been in manufacturing jobs, which are good-paying jobs with benefits. NAFTA *has* been good for some large American corporations, but it has been bad for Main Street America and for middle-class jobs.

NAFTA Is 20 Years Old – Here Are 20 Facts That Show How It Is Destroying The Economy

How Free Trade Is Killing Middle America

NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality | HuffPost

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Public Citizen

https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/2017-03/March2014_NAFTA20_nb.pdf

No, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff did not cause the Great Depression and did not start a "trade war"

Globalists also claim that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in 1930, caused or greatly contributed to the Great Depression, and that it started a trade war. But this claim is erroneous. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff raised tariff rates by only 2.5 percentage points, and the economy was already starting to slow down by the time the tariff was passed anyway. Furthermore, the Fordney-McCumber Tariff of 1922 raised tariff rates by a much larger amount, and that tariff was followed by six years of robust economic growth. And virtually no nations retaliated to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff (partly because they knew they were using protectionist policies as well).

Tariffs: The Smoot-Hawley Fairy Tale

Protectionism Didn't Cause the Great Depression
 
There were tariffs before the republicans learned to shit on themselves..
 
Notice how there is no tariff on imported crap for Trump Enterprises.....Damn you partisans are either blind, dumb or deaf but you are definitely myopic...
 
Notice how there is no tariff on imported crap for Trump Enterprises.....Damn you partisans are either blind, dumb or deaf but you are definitely myopic...

Sigh. . . . Really? You just can't give him credit for anything, can you?
 
Notice how there is no tariff on imported crap for Trump Enterprises.....Damn you partisans are either blind, dumb or deaf but you are definitely myopic...

Sigh. . . . Really? You just can't give him credit for anything, can you?
You give him credit for everything. He when he wants to shove your rights up your ass.
PS you dont do him any favors comparing his policies to a fucking tyrant
 
Trump is following in Abraham Lincoln's footsteps when it comes to trade. The policy of high tariffs/protectionism used to be a bedrock principle, if not the bedrock principle, of the Republican Party, starting with Abraham Lincoln and continuing well into the 20th century (e.g., President Howard Taft and Senator Robert Taft, aka "Mr. Republican").

America thrived and became an industrial giant thanks in large part to being shielded from unfair foreign competition by high tariffs. Nations like China have flourished and vastly expanded thanks to fiercely protectionist policies.

Globalists and free traders claim that higher tariff rates will simply be passed on to American consumers and will cost us jobs, but history refutes this claim. Most or all of the companies that sell foreign products in the U.S. would not dare pass on the entire cost of the tariffs to consumers. If they did, most of their products would suddenly cost more than competing American products and consumers could buy the American products instead. High tariffs protect American factories from having to compete with foreign factories that pay their workers dirt wages, that pay few or no benefits, and that have a fraction of the health-and-safety regulatory costs that American factories have.

Furthermore, we know from history that protective tariffs encourage the domestic production of products to compete with foreign-made products, precisely because foreign-made products are subject to tariffs. A company that made products in the U.S. could sell those products to American consumers without having to worry about tariff rates, because their products would not be subject to tariffs.

President Ronald Reagan saved the Harley-Davidson motorcycle company in 1983 by raising the tariff on Japanese motorcycles by 45 percentage points, from 4.4% to 49.4%. He took this action to protect the last remaining American motorcycle maker from cut-throat Japanese competition, and saved thousands of good American jobs in the process. And, incidentally, when Reagan took that action, the Japanese were unable to raise the price of their motorcycles sold in the U.S. enough to offset the tariff, which is why Reagan’s action saved Harley-Davidson.

NAFTA has been a bad deal for us

About 80% of the job losses caused by NAFTA have been in manufacturing jobs, which are good-paying jobs with benefits. NAFTA *has* been good for some large American corporations, but it has been bad for Main Street America and for middle-class jobs.

NAFTA Is 20 Years Old – Here Are 20 Facts That Show How It Is Destroying The Economy

How Free Trade Is Killing Middle America

NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality | HuffPost

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Public Citizen

https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/2017-03/March2014_NAFTA20_nb.pdf

No, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff did not cause the Great Depression and did not start a "trade war"

Globalists also claim that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in 1930, caused or greatly contributed to the Great Depression, and that it started a trade war. But this claim is erroneous. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff raised tariff rates by only 2.5 percentage points, and the economy was already starting to slow down by the time the tariff was passed anyway. Furthermore, the Fordney-McCumber Tariff of 1922 raised tariff rates by a much larger amount, and that tariff was followed by six years of robust economic growth. And virtually no nations retaliated to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff (partly because they knew they were using protectionist policies as well).

Tariffs: The Smoot-Hawley Fairy Tale

Protectionism Didn't Cause the Great Depression

Following LIncoln? WTF year are you living in? Goddamn boy this is 2018 just because something worked back in the 1800's doesn't mean it will work today. When the fuck are you people going to wake up we do not live in that time anymore. Do you always think backwards instead of forward? That's the problem.
 
Trump is following in Abraham Lincoln's footsteps when it comes to trade. The policy of high tariffs/protectionism used to be a bedrock principle, if not the bedrock principle, of the Republican Party, starting with Abraham Lincoln and continuing well into the 20th century (e.g., President Howard Taft and Senator Robert Taft, aka "Mr. Republican").

America thrived and became an industrial giant thanks in large part to being shielded from unfair foreign competition by high tariffs. Nations like China have flourished and vastly expanded thanks to fiercely protectionist policies.

Globalists and free traders claim that higher tariff rates will simply be passed on to American consumers and will cost us jobs, but history refutes this claim. Most or all of the companies that sell foreign products in the U.S. would not dare pass on the entire cost of the tariffs to consumers. If they did, most of their products would suddenly cost more than competing American products and consumers could buy the American products instead. High tariffs protect American factories from having to compete with foreign factories that pay their workers dirt wages, that pay few or no benefits, and that have a fraction of the health-and-safety regulatory costs that American factories have.

Furthermore, we know from history that protective tariffs encourage the domestic production of products to compete with foreign-made products, precisely because foreign-made products are subject to tariffs. A company that made products in the U.S. could sell those products to American consumers without having to worry about tariff rates, because their products would not be subject to tariffs.

President Ronald Reagan saved the Harley-Davidson motorcycle company in 1983 by raising the tariff on Japanese motorcycles by 45 percentage points, from 4.4% to 49.4%. He took this action to protect the last remaining American motorcycle maker from cut-throat Japanese competition, and saved thousands of good American jobs in the process. And, incidentally, when Reagan took that action, the Japanese were unable to raise the price of their motorcycles sold in the U.S. enough to offset the tariff, which is why Reagan’s action saved Harley-Davidson.

NAFTA has been a bad deal for us

About 80% of the job losses caused by NAFTA have been in manufacturing jobs, which are good-paying jobs with benefits. NAFTA *has* been good for some large American corporations, but it has been bad for Main Street America and for middle-class jobs.

NAFTA Is 20 Years Old – Here Are 20 Facts That Show How It Is Destroying The Economy

How Free Trade Is Killing Middle America

NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality | HuffPost

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Public Citizen

https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/2017-03/March2014_NAFTA20_nb.pdf

No, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff did not cause the Great Depression and did not start a "trade war"

Globalists also claim that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in 1930, caused or greatly contributed to the Great Depression, and that it started a trade war. But this claim is erroneous. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff raised tariff rates by only 2.5 percentage points, and the economy was already starting to slow down by the time the tariff was passed anyway. Furthermore, the Fordney-McCumber Tariff of 1922 raised tariff rates by a much larger amount, and that tariff was followed by six years of robust economic growth. And virtually no nations retaliated to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff (partly because they knew they were using protectionist policies as well).

Tariffs: The Smoot-Hawley Fairy Tale

Protectionism Didn't Cause the Great Depression
Bush steel tariff impact - Business Insider
www.businessinsider.com/bush-steel-tariff-impact-2017-7
Jul 7, 2017 - The last time the US fought the world on steel it was under the Bush administration, and it didn't work out so well for us. ... When all was said and done, the Institute for International Economics (IIE) estimated that as many as 26,000 jobs were lost in steel-using industries (like the auto industry, for example).
 
Notice how there is no tariff on imported crap for Trump Enterprises.....Damn you partisans are either blind, dumb or deaf but you are definitely myopic...

Sigh. . . . Really? You just can't give him credit for anything, can you?
You give him credit for everything. He when he wants to shove your rights up your ass.

I give him credit only when I think he deserves it. And he is not taking away any of my rights.

PS you dont do him any favors comparing his policies to a tyrant

I agree that Lincoln went too far in suppressing dissent during the Civil War, but calling him a "tyrant" is way over the top. Tyrants don't accept the results of mid-term elections that go against them and don't stand for re-election. Furthermore, Lincoln intended to allow the Southern states to rejoin the Union with minimal conditions. Booth did the South no favors when he murdered Lincoln.
 
Notice how there is no tariff on imported crap for Trump Enterprises.....Damn you partisans are either blind, dumb or deaf but you are definitely myopic...

Sigh. . . . Really? You just can't give him credit for anything, can you?
You give him credit for everything. He when he wants to shove your rights up your ass.

I give him credit only when I think he deserves it. And he is not taking away any of my rights.

PS you dont do him any favors comparing his policies to a tyrant

I agree that Lincoln went too far in suppressing dissent during the Civil War, but calling him a "tyrant" is way over the top. Tyrants don't accept the results of mid-term elections that go against them and don't stand for re-election. Furthermore, Lincoln intended to allow the Southern states to rejoin the Union with minimal conditions. Booth did the South no favors when he murdered Lincoln.
:rofl:
 
Trump is following in Abraham Lincoln's footsteps when it comes to trade. The policy of high tariffs/protectionism used to be a bedrock principle, if not the bedrock principle, of the Republican Party, starting with Abraham Lincoln and continuing well into the 20th century (e.g., President Howard Taft and Senator Robert Taft, aka "Mr. Republican").

America thrived and became an industrial giant thanks in large part to being shielded from unfair foreign competition by high tariffs. Nations like China have flourished and vastly expanded thanks to fiercely protectionist policies.

Globalists and free traders claim that higher tariff rates will simply be passed on to American consumers and will cost us jobs, but history refutes this claim. Most or all of the companies that sell foreign products in the U.S. would not dare pass on the entire cost of the tariffs to consumers. If they did, most of their products would suddenly cost more than competing American products and consumers could buy the American products instead. High tariffs protect American factories from having to compete with foreign factories that pay their workers dirt wages, that pay few or no benefits, and that have a fraction of the health-and-safety regulatory costs that American factories have.

Furthermore, we know from history that protective tariffs encourage the domestic production of products to compete with foreign-made products, precisely because foreign-made products are subject to tariffs. A company that made products in the U.S. could sell those products to American consumers without having to worry about tariff rates, because their products would not be subject to tariffs.

President Ronald Reagan saved the Harley-Davidson motorcycle company in 1983 by raising the tariff on Japanese motorcycles by 45 percentage points, from 4.4% to 49.4%. He took this action to protect the last remaining American motorcycle maker from cut-throat Japanese competition, and saved thousands of good American jobs in the process. And, incidentally, when Reagan took that action, the Japanese were unable to raise the price of their motorcycles sold in the U.S. enough to offset the tariff, which is why Reagan’s action saved Harley-Davidson.

NAFTA has been a bad deal for us

About 80% of the job losses caused by NAFTA have been in manufacturing jobs, which are good-paying jobs with benefits. NAFTA *has* been good for some large American corporations, but it has been bad for Main Street America and for middle-class jobs.

NAFTA Is 20 Years Old – Here Are 20 Facts That Show How It Is Destroying The Economy

How Free Trade Is Killing Middle America

NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality | HuffPost

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Public Citizen

https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/2017-03/March2014_NAFTA20_nb.pdf

No, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff did not cause the Great Depression and did not start a "trade war"

Globalists also claim that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in 1930, caused or greatly contributed to the Great Depression, and that it started a trade war. But this claim is erroneous. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff raised tariff rates by only 2.5 percentage points, and the economy was already starting to slow down by the time the tariff was passed anyway. Furthermore, the Fordney-McCumber Tariff of 1922 raised tariff rates by a much larger amount, and that tariff was followed by six years of robust economic growth. And virtually no nations retaliated to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff (partly because they knew they were using protectionist policies as well).

Tariffs: The Smoot-Hawley Fairy Tale

Protectionism Didn't Cause the Great Depression
Bush steel tariff impact - Business Insider
www.businessinsider.com/bush-steel-tariff-impact-2017-7
Jul 7, 2017 - The last time the US fought the world on steel it was under the Bush administration, and it didn't work out so well for us. ... When all was said and done, the Institute for International Economics (IIE) estimated that as many as 26,000 jobs were lost in steel-using industries (like the auto industry, for example).


But...but...they worked so well for Lincoln, and the world has not changed one iota since then! :21:
 
Trump is following in Abraham Lincoln's footsteps when it comes to trade. The policy of high tariffs/protectionism used to be a bedrock principle, if not the bedrock principle, of the Republican Party, starting with Abraham Lincoln and continuing well into the 20th century (e.g., President Howard Taft and Senator Robert Taft, aka "Mr. Republican").

America thrived and became an industrial giant thanks in large part to being shielded from unfair foreign competition by high tariffs. Nations like China have flourished and vastly expanded thanks to fiercely protectionist policies.

Globalists and free traders claim that higher tariff rates will simply be passed on to American consumers and will cost us jobs, but history refutes this claim. Most or all of the companies that sell foreign products in the U.S. would not dare pass on the entire cost of the tariffs to consumers. If they did, most of their products would suddenly cost more than competing American products and consumers could buy the American products instead. High tariffs protect American factories from having to compete with foreign factories that pay their workers dirt wages, that pay few or no benefits, and that have a fraction of the health-and-safety regulatory costs that American factories have.

Furthermore, we know from history that protective tariffs encourage the domestic production of products to compete with foreign-made products, precisely because foreign-made products are subject to tariffs. A company that made products in the U.S. could sell those products to American consumers without having to worry about tariff rates, because their products would not be subject to tariffs.

President Ronald Reagan saved the Harley-Davidson motorcycle company in 1983 by raising the tariff on Japanese motorcycles by 45 percentage points, from 4.4% to 49.4%. He took this action to protect the last remaining American motorcycle maker from cut-throat Japanese competition, and saved thousands of good American jobs in the process. And, incidentally, when Reagan took that action, the Japanese were unable to raise the price of their motorcycles sold in the U.S. enough to offset the tariff, which is why Reagan’s action saved Harley-Davidson.

NAFTA has been a bad deal for us

About 80% of the job losses caused by NAFTA have been in manufacturing jobs, which are good-paying jobs with benefits. NAFTA *has* been good for some large American corporations, but it has been bad for Main Street America and for middle-class jobs.

NAFTA Is 20 Years Old – Here Are 20 Facts That Show How It Is Destroying The Economy

How Free Trade Is Killing Middle America

NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality | HuffPost

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Public Citizen

https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/2017-03/March2014_NAFTA20_nb.pdf

No, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff did not cause the Great Depression and did not start a "trade war"

Globalists also claim that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in 1930, caused or greatly contributed to the Great Depression, and that it started a trade war. But this claim is erroneous. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff raised tariff rates by only 2.5 percentage points, and the economy was already starting to slow down by the time the tariff was passed anyway. Furthermore, the Fordney-McCumber Tariff of 1922 raised tariff rates by a much larger amount, and that tariff was followed by six years of robust economic growth. And virtually no nations retaliated to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff (partly because they knew they were using protectionist policies as well).

Tariffs: The Smoot-Hawley Fairy Tale

Protectionism Didn't Cause the Great Depression


Here is how I view this, there already IS a trade war. It's been going on for decades and American workers and your government have been exploited.

All of these practices have done one thing, gutted the middle class and made it impossible for small and medium businesses the ability to grow. That's what's who suffers the brunt of unfair regulations and exploitation. Trump is giving smaller businesses a fighting chance now while opening up more competition so even big businesses cannot over price, they will have to eat some of the profit or they will lose market share.

Look, I believe in free markets, but America is one of the few who is actually capitalist in it's core. Until China, Canada and others learn to become capitalist, these tariffs are needed.
 
Trump is following in Abraham Lincoln's footsteps when it comes to trade. The policy of high tariffs/protectionism used to be a bedrock principle, if not the bedrock principle, of the Republican Party, starting with Abraham Lincoln and continuing well into the 20th century (e.g., President Howard Taft and Senator Robert Taft, aka "Mr. Republican").

America thrived and became an industrial giant thanks in large part to being shielded from unfair foreign competition by high tariffs. Nations like China have flourished and vastly expanded thanks to fiercely protectionist policies.

Globalists and free traders claim that higher tariff rates will simply be passed on to American consumers and will cost us jobs, but history refutes this claim. Most or all of the companies that sell foreign products in the U.S. would not dare pass on the entire cost of the tariffs to consumers. If they did, most of their products would suddenly cost more than competing American products and consumers could buy the American products instead. High tariffs protect American factories from having to compete with foreign factories that pay their workers dirt wages, that pay few or no benefits, and that have a fraction of the health-and-safety regulatory costs that American factories have.

Furthermore, we know from history that protective tariffs encourage the domestic production of products to compete with foreign-made products, precisely because foreign-made products are subject to tariffs. A company that made products in the U.S. could sell those products to American consumers without having to worry about tariff rates, because their products would not be subject to tariffs.

President Ronald Reagan saved the Harley-Davidson motorcycle company in 1983 by raising the tariff on Japanese motorcycles by 45 percentage points, from 4.4% to 49.4%. He took this action to protect the last remaining American motorcycle maker from cut-throat Japanese competition, and saved thousands of good American jobs in the process. And, incidentally, when Reagan took that action, the Japanese were unable to raise the price of their motorcycles sold in the U.S. enough to offset the tariff, which is why Reagan’s action saved Harley-Davidson.

NAFTA has been a bad deal for us

About 80% of the job losses caused by NAFTA have been in manufacturing jobs, which are good-paying jobs with benefits. NAFTA *has* been good for some large American corporations, but it has been bad for Main Street America and for middle-class jobs.

NAFTA Is 20 Years Old – Here Are 20 Facts That Show How It Is Destroying The Economy

How Free Trade Is Killing Middle America

NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality | HuffPost

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Public Citizen

https://aflcio.org/sites/default/files/2017-03/March2014_NAFTA20_nb.pdf

No, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff did not cause the Great Depression and did not start a "trade war"

Globalists also claim that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, passed in 1930, caused or greatly contributed to the Great Depression, and that it started a trade war. But this claim is erroneous. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff raised tariff rates by only 2.5 percentage points, and the economy was already starting to slow down by the time the tariff was passed anyway. Furthermore, the Fordney-McCumber Tariff of 1922 raised tariff rates by a much larger amount, and that tariff was followed by six years of robust economic growth. And virtually no nations retaliated to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff (partly because they knew they were using protectionist policies as well).

Tariffs: The Smoot-Hawley Fairy Tale

Protectionism Didn't Cause the Great Depression
Bush steel tariff impact - Business Insider
www.businessinsider.com/bush-steel-tariff-impact-2017-7
Jul 7, 2017 - The last time the US fought the world on steel it was under the Bush administration, and it didn't work out so well for us. ... When all was said and done, the Institute for International Economics (IIE) estimated that as many as 26,000 jobs were lost in steel-using industries (like the auto industry, for example).

But...but...they worked so well for Lincoln, and the world has not changed one iota since then! :21:

They didn't just work well for Lincoln. High tariffs were American policy for decades, well into the 20th century, and America thrived behind their protection. What's more, high tariffs continue to work well for many nations in our day, including China.

Exactly how is an American factory supposed to compete against a factory in, say, Central or South America, that can pay its workers pennies on the dollar, that pays few if any benefits, and that faces few if any regulatory costs?
 

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