Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[RealDave]

Read the article I posted in your related new thread. It is not a treaty, specifically because of that. It is an agreement. It was kosher and it is lawful.

not sure how it can be lawful if it never went through congress.

also - isn't this an executive order more or less? why was 1 man allowed to dictate this for an entire country?

For the same reason Trump is allowed to dictate a travel ban that the entire country does not want.

It's protecting Americans... You don't like that now


Did it go around Congress?

Yes

Now you making up science you stupid kunt..

Just exposing your ignorance.

 

[Wyatt earp]

not sure how it can be lawful if it never went through congress.

also - isn't this an executive order more or less? why was 1 man allowed to dictate this for an entire country?

For the same reason Trump is allowed to dictate a travel ban that the entire country does not want.

It's protecting Americans... You don't like that now


Did it go around Congress?

Yes

Now you making up science you stupid kunt..

Just exposing your ignorance.

I know science you stupid fuck..
The earth was not 10 degrees warmer kunt when we had 5 times C20 in the air...

 

[RealDave]

The Earth balances its CO2 emitting & absorbing. All we had to do was increase the CO2 ppm enough to exceed the absorbtion rate.

We can stack a certain amount of weight on a 40 ton capacity bridge without it failing. Everyday we add a thousand pounds. One day that 1,000 pounds will cause that bridge to collapse. That 1,000 pounds is maybe 2% of that total weight yet it was that addition weight thaty did in that bridge.

You whiny fucks need to get some logic instead of searching for excuses for your stupidity.

Once again you moron we had 5 times more C02 in the air during Dino's you idiot


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And sea levels were over 500 feet higher than they are today.

Yes, CO2 levels were higher before. Why don't you find out what the climate was like then & see how well it fits with today's Earth.

You people are sofa king stupid.

Once again cupcake dinosaurs were huge plants were..huge..

More C02 doesn't kill the planet... Idiot..


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So you think changing from today's climate to when the dinosaurs roamed would not cost anything? Not ever a 500 rise in sea levels? Ave temps 9 to 13 degrees higher than today. You think we'd just plant wheat & corn in Nebraska, drive our cars, live in our homes & cities? Palm trees above the arctic circle.

Climate change won't kill the planet. It could kill mankind. It will make life difficult for future generations. All we have to do is reduce our emissions. That's it.

Drive higher mpg vehicles, use more green energy, burn less fossil fuels. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, because assholes like you are too stupid. You elected a POS who is too stupid to get it. OMG OMG OMG corporations can't exist if they can 't fucking pollute everything. You people are sick pathetic, greedy, selfish, poor excuses for human beings.

Climate change is NATURAL you stupid fucking twat. We could quit eating animals, stop farting, stop driving, stop breeding horses, stop building fires, get off the internet and make electricity a thing of the past. Climate change will STILL happen. We are in the middle of an interglacial interlude RIGHT NOW.

We can stop the change that is happening due to man's emissions.

Its natural for a person's weight to go up & down. Claiming your extra 50 pounds is natural & not from eating a dozen doughnuts every day is pathetic.

 

[TNHarley]

Once again you moron we had 5 times more C02 in the air during Dino's you idiot


.

And sea levels were over 500 feet higher than they are today.

Yes, CO2 levels were higher before. Why don't you find out what the climate was like then & see how well it fits with today's Earth.

You people are sofa king stupid.

Once again cupcake dinosaurs were huge plants were..huge..

More C02 doesn't kill the planet... Idiot..


.

So you think changing from today's climate to when the dinosaurs roamed would not cost anything? Not ever a 500 rise in sea levels? Ave temps 9 to 13 degrees higher than today. You think we'd just plant wheat & corn in Nebraska, drive our cars, live in our homes & cities? Palm trees above the arctic circle.

Climate change won't kill the planet. It could kill mankind. It will make life difficult for future generations. All we have to do is reduce our emissions. That's it.

Drive higher mpg vehicles, use more green energy, burn less fossil fuels. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, because assholes like you are too stupid. You elected a POS who is too stupid to get it. OMG OMG OMG corporations can't exist if they can 't fucking pollute everything. You people are sick pathetic, greedy, selfish, poor excuses for human beings.

Climate change is NATURAL you stupid fucking twat. We could quit eating animals, stop farting, stop driving, stop breeding horses, stop building fires, get off the internet and make electricity a thing of the past. Climate change will STILL happen. We are in the middle of an interglacial interlude RIGHT NOW.

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence
How do we know that changes in the sun aren’t to blame for current global warming trends?

Since 1978, a series of satellite instruments have measured the energy output of the sun directly. The satellite data show a very slight drop in solar irradiance (which is a measure of the amount of energy the sun gives off) over this time period. So the sun doesn't appear to be responsible for the warming trend observed over the past several decades.

Longer-term estimates of solar irradiance have been made using sunspot records and other so-called “proxy indicators,” such as the amount of carbon in tree rings. The most recent analyses of these proxies indicate that solar irradiance changes cannot plausibly account for more than 10 percent of the 20th century’s warming.2

It has gotten higher a couple times since then but I don't think its pushing the warming.
But thanks for the link anyways!
Maybe you can post something that is more relevant to what it is being discussed?

 

[RealDave]

For the same reason Trump is allowed to dictate a travel ban that the entire country does not want.

It's protecting Americans... You don't like that now


Did it go around Congress?

Yes

Now you making up science you stupid kunt..

Just exposing your ignorance.

I know science you stupid fuck..
The earth was not 10 degrees warmer kunt when we had 5 times C20 in the air...

What was it? Come on, big mouth, tell me. What was the average temperatures when the dinosaurs roamed.
Certainly, a science expert like you can tell us.

 

[konradv]

The Earth used to be a molten blob. You want to return to that?

it also used to not have icecaps. what made them come about? why is it *our* fault they're fading now?

What caused climatic changes in the past does not rule out a human role in the changes we see now. If it is "our fault", GHGs are the reason. They've nearly doubled since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. How can that continue and not have an influence on climate?

 

[TNHarley]

Once again you moron we had 5 times more C02 in the air during Dino's you idiot


.

And sea levels were over 500 feet higher than they are today.

Yes, CO2 levels were higher before. Why don't you find out what the climate was like then & see how well it fits with today's Earth.

You people are sofa king stupid.

Once again cupcake dinosaurs were huge plants were..huge..

More C02 doesn't kill the planet... Idiot..


.

So you think changing from today's climate to when the dinosaurs roamed would not cost anything? Not ever a 500 rise in sea levels? Ave temps 9 to 13 degrees higher than today. You think we'd just plant wheat & corn in Nebraska, drive our cars, live in our homes & cities? Palm trees above the arctic circle.

Climate change won't kill the planet. It could kill mankind. It will make life difficult for future generations. All we have to do is reduce our emissions. That's it.

Drive higher mpg vehicles, use more green energy, burn less fossil fuels. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, because assholes like you are too stupid. You elected a POS who is too stupid to get it. OMG OMG OMG corporations can't exist if they can 't fucking pollute everything. You people are sick pathetic, greedy, selfish, poor excuses for human beings.

Climate change is NATURAL you stupid fucking twat. We could quit eating animals, stop farting, stop driving, stop breeding horses, stop building fires, get off the internet and make electricity a thing of the past. Climate change will STILL happen. We are in the middle of an interglacial interlude RIGHT NOW.

We can stop the change that is happening due to man's emissions.

Its natural for a person's weight to go up & down. Claiming your extra 50 pounds is natural & not from eating a dozen doughnuts every day is pathetic.

How can you prove we are changing anything?
That is what Im trying to get your collective to show me.

 

[iceberg]

The Earth used to be a molten blob. You want to return to that?

it also used to not have icecaps. what made them come about? why is it *our* fault they're fading now?

What caused climatic changes in the past does not rule out a human role in the changes we see now. If it is "our fault", GHGs are the reason. They've nearly doubled since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. How can that continue and not have an influence on climate?

never said it wasn't.

only saying the earth has gone through radical changes before long before man was around, much less industrialized man. to say THIS IS ALL ON US and run around in a panic is stupid to me.

doing all we can to continue to work within our environment is the right path to be sure. but to ignore the earths history when it doesn't align with *this* mindset is just as stupid and foolhardy as saying we have no impact on our environment.

 

[konradv]

The Earth used to be a molten blob. You want to return to that?

it also used to not have icecaps. what made them come about? why is it *our* fault they're fading now?

What caused climatic changes in the past does not rule out a human role in the changes we see now. If it is "our fault", GHGs are the reason. They've nearly doubled since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. How can that continue and not have an influence on climate?

never said it wasn't.

only saying the earth has gone through radical changes before long before man was around, much less industrialized man. to say THIS IS ALL ON US and run around in a panic is stupid to me.

doing all we can to continue to work within our environment is the right path to be sure. but to ignore the earths history when it doesn't align with *this* mindset is just as stupid and foolhardy as saying we have no impact on our environment.

No one is ignoring earth's history or that it's all on us. The problem is the denialists ignoring human history and the impact we've had on the environment.

 

[boilermaker55]

How stupid are you. He is not even close with doing that to someone like me. he is stripping fools like you and using you at his accord.
Damn, it is easy to see how stupid people voted for that pile of dog excrement.
Get a brain!

We knew along time ago you fools voted for the gropenfuher, old news.

Yeah but he's groping you guys.

 

[TNHarley]

The Earth used to be a molten blob. You want to return to that?

it also used to not have icecaps. what made them come about? why is it *our* fault they're fading now?

What caused climatic changes in the past does not rule out a human role in the changes we see now. If it is "our fault", GHGs are the reason. They've nearly doubled since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. How can that continue and not have an influence on climate?

never said it wasn't.

only saying the earth has gone through radical changes before long before man was around, much less industrialized man. to say THIS IS ALL ON US and run around in a panic is stupid to me.

doing all we can to continue to work within our environment is the right path to be sure. but to ignore the earths history when it doesn't align with *this* mindset is just as stupid and foolhardy as saying we have no impact on our environment.

No one is ignoring earth's history or that it's all on us. The problem is the denialists ignoring human history and the impact we've had on the environment.

Ummm maybe you should read this thread

 

[iceberg]

The Earth used to be a molten blob. You want to return to that?

it also used to not have icecaps. what made them come about? why is it *our* fault they're fading now?

What caused climatic changes in the past does not rule out a human role in the changes we see now. If it is "our fault", GHGs are the reason. They've nearly doubled since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. How can that continue and not have an influence on climate?

never said it wasn't.

only saying the earth has gone through radical changes before long before man was around, much less industrialized man. to say THIS IS ALL ON US and run around in a panic is stupid to me.

doing all we can to continue to work within our environment is the right path to be sure. but to ignore the earths history when it doesn't align with *this* mindset is just as stupid and foolhardy as saying we have no impact on our environment.

No one is ignoring earth's history or that it's all on us. The problem is the denialists ignoring human history and the impact we've had on the environment.

and usually people do that when pushed to an extreme that doesn't make sense. such as ignoring all the past changes the earth has gone through as insignificant.

 

[konradv]

The Earth used to be a molten blob. You want to return to that?

it also used to not have icecaps. what made them come about? why is it *our* fault they're fading now?

What caused climatic changes in the past does not rule out a human role in the changes we see now. If it is "our fault", GHGs are the reason. They've nearly doubled since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. How can that continue and not have an influence on climate?

never said it wasn't.

only saying the earth has gone through radical changes before long before man was around, much less industrialized man. to say THIS IS ALL ON US and run around in a panic is stupid to me.

doing all we can to continue to work within our environment is the right path to be sure. but to ignore the earths history when it doesn't align with *this* mindset is just as stupid and foolhardy as saying we have no impact on our environment.

No one is ignoring earth's history or that it's all on us. The problem is the denialists ignoring human history and the impact we've had on the environment.

and usually people do that when pushed to an extreme that doesn't make sense. such as ignoring all the past changes the earth has gone through as insignificant.

Past changes aren't ignored. They and natural processes are all factored into climate theory. You're just regurgitating denialist alt-facts.

 

[konradv]

The Earth used to be a molten blob. You want to return to that?

it also used to not have icecaps. what made them come about? why is it *our* fault they're fading now?

What caused climatic changes in the past does not rule out a human role in the changes we see now. If it is "our fault", GHGs are the reason. They've nearly doubled since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. How can that continue and not have an influence on climate?

never said it wasn't.

only saying the earth has gone through radical changes before long before man was around, much less industrialized man. to say THIS IS ALL ON US and run around in a panic is stupid to me.

doing all we can to continue to work within our environment is the right path to be sure. but to ignore the earths history when it doesn't align with *this* mindset is just as stupid and foolhardy as saying we have no impact on our environment.

No one is ignoring earth's history or that it's all on us. The problem is the denialists ignoring human history and the impact we've had on the environment.

Ummm maybe you should read this thread.

OK, I may have fallen into the absolutist trap, but real climate scientists don't ignore history.

 

[iceberg]

it also used to not have icecaps. what made them come about? why is it *our* fault they're fading now?

What caused climatic changes in the past does not rule out a human role in the changes we see now. If it is "our fault", GHGs are the reason. They've nearly doubled since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. How can that continue and not have an influence on climate?

never said it wasn't.

only saying the earth has gone through radical changes before long before man was around, much less industrialized man. to say THIS IS ALL ON US and run around in a panic is stupid to me.

doing all we can to continue to work within our environment is the right path to be sure. but to ignore the earths history when it doesn't align with *this* mindset is just as stupid and foolhardy as saying we have no impact on our environment.

No one is ignoring earth's history or that it's all on us. The problem is the denialists ignoring human history and the impact we've had on the environment.

and usually people do that when pushed to an extreme that doesn't make sense. such as ignoring all the past changes the earth has gone through as insignificant.

Past changes aren't ignored. They and natural processes are all factored into climate theory. You're just regurgitating denialist alt-facts.

heh - no i'm not but if you wish to categorize me and put my thoughts on this away in a clean made up pile, you just proved my point that nothing but agreeing with you will do and failure to do so will get you placed in the extreme *other* side.

like you just did.

 

[LaDexter]

but real climate scientists don't ignore history

Indeed, we do not...

WHY, during the past million years, with the same amount of Co2 in the atmosphere, did North America thaw while Greenland froze?

WHY is Antarctic sea ice growing while Arctic Sea Ice is shrinking?

WHY does one Earth polar circle have 9 times the ice of the other?


The people claiming to be "climate scientists" who say Co2 has something to do with climate change are not scientists, they are liars who fudge data and engage in fraud.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which is why they don't even want to hear anything about renegotiations. Like the UN, Trump will say America will do their part, but other countries have to do theirs. We will not do their part for them, and that's something they don't even want to discuss. They just want our money with a nice name like Paris Accord attached to it.

My God, you are that fucking stupid to believe Trump wants to renegotiate it when it can't be renegotiated?

Trump & you are too God damn stupid to know the Accord was all voluntary. If Trump is going to follow through on our commitment to lower our emissions, why pull out.

You & Trump are too God damn stupid top know that the leading country responsible for the high levels that exist today.

You & Trump are too God damn stupid top know that reducing emissions globally is better than just lowering ours ( Like the orange POS wants to lower our emissions).

Trump & you are too God damn stupid to get that providing these countries the technology & equipment is business for US corporations.

You & Trump are two of the dumbest people on the planet.

If you think we need some agreement with other countries to tell us what to do and how to do it, you're the stupid one. You want America to be like that guy with a good paying job that patrons a bar. Everybody runs up to him shaking his hand, giving him a hug, knowing he will buy them drinks all night long because he has the money.

Our country is 20 trillion dollars in debt. We are broke. Do you know what the word "broke" means? Broke means no money. Broke means in debt. Broke means failure. Why you leftists would choose failure all the time is beyond any reasonable persons ability to understand.

We can't afford to spend God knows how many billions (of money we don't have) on some stupid fairy tale like MMGW. You on the left always tell us to keep our religion in our church or at home, you should do the same with your beliefs. Don't involve our country in your stupid religion. If you want to lower your idiotic carbon footprint, buy a bike and ride it everywhere you go. Buy a windmill for your backyard. Take the bus everywhere you need to go. And in a hundred years from now, you can sit back and enjoy that .02% of cooler air.

God you people are dense.

In the Paris Agreement, each country determines, it's own contribution it will make in order to mitigate global warming. There is no mechanism to force a country to meet any specific target or by any specific date. So what the fuck is their to negotiate.

And what's lost by pulling out?

We lose being a world leader in fighting climate change. We increase the possibilities of a more difficult future for our children & grandchildren. We lost credibility. We lost respect for our Presidency. We risk ending a unified global effort.

I understand that you assholes either don't have kids or just hate your children. Must be the case as you choose to believe a orange uninformed POS instead of scientists.

We lose being a world leader in fighting climate change

Not being the biggest sucker.....what a loss.

We increase the possibilities of a more difficult future for our children & grandchildren.

Bullshit.

We lost credibility.

This agreement had no credibility.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And what's lost by pulling out?

We lose being a world leader in fighting climate change. We increase the possibilities of a more difficult future for our children & grandchildren. We lost credibility. We lost respect for our Presidency. We risk ending a unified global effort.

I understand that you assholes either don't have kids or just hate your children. Must be the case as you choose to believe a orange uninformed POS instead of scientists.

How do you fight climate change? Climate change is a NATURAL occurrence.

A "natural" occurrence driven by man made pollutants.

Ahhh. Yes, I forgot we have been causing Earths natural evolution for billions of years.
YOU WIN

Yet another dumbass who thinks that since the climate changes natually that man can not have an effect on it.

Yet another dumbass who thinks that since the climate changes natually that man can not have an effect on it.

How many trillions do we need to spend to stop the climate from changing?
How will we know we've succeeded?

 

[LaDexter]

How will we know we've succeeded?

When the tectonic plates stop moving....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

NEWSFLASH: THE UNITED STATES WAS NEVER 'IN' THE PARIS ACCORDS
*** See separate Thread about this (that will potentially combine with this one)

The Paris Accords is a TREATY. Barry made yet another Un-Constitutional Decision on his own to Sign the United States up to this TREATY - He NEVER followed the Constitution, NEVER presented it to Congress, and Congress NEVER ratified the TREATY.

Just like with his 'Iran Deal', the agreement Barry made with the Paris Accords is nothing more than agreement between Barry - who is now gone - and the International Community.

Trump isn't 'pulling out' of anything - we were never 'in'.

Almost as good as the Cross on the Christmas Tree thread.
Why is it going to take until 2020 to completely extricate ourselves from it, then?

Why is it going to take until 2020 to completely extricate ourselves from it, then?

It won't.
We aren't bound, in any way, to a treaty we never ratified.