Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[ScreamingEagle]

That can be revised. No country HAS to pay out $100 billion. But if we want to jump on the new technology and get rich--sure, let's give the world $100 billion in energy technology. Good for them, good for us.

And Germany is leading the way.

"Germany's Energy Poverty
How Electricity Became a Luxury Good
Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor...."

High Costs and Errors of German Transition to Renewable Energy - SPIEGEL ONLINE

stupid socialists are taking that country down......

 

[TNHarley]

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

It will slow global warming which will slow the negative effects of global climate change which are already being observed and measured in many ways you are already aware of. And you don't need to shout. I remembered my hearing aids. But you already know that, so why are you asking?

It will slow it?



So you can pat yourself on the back while you can die in peace yet throw the world in a depression?

Again how much is it man made and a natural variation?

Why would it cause a world wide depression? Are all these countries' economies going to go belly up from switching to renewable energy sources? New technologies and massive changes like where we get our power will of course effect our economies. How that is managed is up to us, though, isn't it?
Another thought: At least we can survive a depression. Can we survive uncontrolled rapid climate change?

uncontrolled climate change? That doesn't even make sense. ALL climate change is uncontrollable.

 

[OldLady]

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

It will slow global warming which will slow the negative effects of global climate change which are already being observed and measured in many ways you are already aware of. And you don't need to shout. I remembered my hearing aids. But you already know that, so why are you asking?

How will it slow "global warming?" I guess you mean man made c02 going in the atmosphere? Since we contribute less than 5% or whatever, how is this distribution plan going to amount to a hill of beans?
People are more worried about "climate change" because that is real and their is actual PROOF of its existence. But you cant stop it. Its natural earth evolution. Like how a gash scabs over on the human body. With climate change, all you can do is prepare.
If we are so worried about our planet, why don't we focus on things we CAN change? Things that ACTUALLY effect people?
"global warming" isn't science. Its partisan talking points.
Here is actual SCIENCE. He even brings up the holes in it that people like to fill with "human made" like people used a god back when they didn't understand things. Like thunder.
How Much of Atmospheric CO2 Increase is Natural? « Roy Spencer, PhD

That's better.
I heard we contribute 18%. Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere. This is causing climate change. No reason why we can't pick up litter and clean up the oceans at the same time we reduce our impact on the environment.

 

[TNHarley]

To my friends on the right: Don't forget you won. Enjoy the taunting and rubbing their noses in it but remember these liberal arguments are now moot. We won and the Paris accords are passe.

he hasn't publically stated it yet.

 

[OldLady]

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

It will slow global warming which will slow the negative effects of global climate change which are already being observed and measured in many ways you are already aware of. And you don't need to shout. I remembered my hearing aids. But you already know that, so why are you asking?

It will slow it?



So you can pat yourself on the back while you can die in peace yet throw the world in a depression?

Again how much is it man made and a natural variation?

Why would it cause a world wide depression? Are all these countries' economies going to go belly up from switching to renewable energy sources? New technologies and massive changes like where we get our power will of course effect our economies. How that is managed is up to us, though, isn't it?
Another thought: At least we can survive a depression. Can we survive uncontrolled rapid climate change?

uncontrolled climate change? That doesn't even make sense. ALL climate change is uncontrollable.

Talk to every other English speaking human who discusses this Harley if you are confused by the big words.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

It will slow global warming which will slow the negative effects of global climate change which are already being observed and measured in many ways you are already aware of. And you don't need to shout. I remembered my hearing aids. But you already know that, so why are you asking?

How will it slow "global warming?" I guess you mean man made c02 going in the atmosphere? Since we contribute less than 5% or whatever, how is this distribution plan going to amount to a hill of beans?
People are more worried about "climate change" because that is real and their is actual PROOF of its existence. But you cant stop it. Its natural earth evolution. Like how a gash scabs over on the human body. With climate change, all you can do is prepare.
If we are so worried about our planet, why don't we focus on things we CAN change? Things that ACTUALLY effect people?
"global warming" isn't science. Its partisan talking points.
Here is actual SCIENCE. He even brings up the holes in it that people like to fill with "human made" like people used a god back when they didn't understand things. Like thunder.
How Much of Atmospheric CO2 Increase is Natural? « Roy Spencer, PhD

That's better.
I heard we contribute 18%. Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere. This is causing climate change. No reason why we can't pick up litter and clean up the oceans at the same time we reduce our impact on the environment.

You have a link that explains how they came up with that number?

 

[Reasonable]

tramp is making China great again.

Pulling out of this accord will obviously hurt the planet but hurt jobs in America because alternative energy jobs are booming.
Makes no sense whatsoever.
Which basically is this administration motto.

 

[TNHarley]

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

It will slow global warming which will slow the negative effects of global climate change which are already being observed and measured in many ways you are already aware of. And you don't need to shout. I remembered my hearing aids. But you already know that, so why are you asking?

How will it slow "global warming?" I guess you mean man made c02 going in the atmosphere? Since we contribute less than 5% or whatever, how is this distribution plan going to amount to a hill of beans?
People are more worried about "climate change" because that is real and their is actual PROOF of its existence. But you cant stop it. Its natural earth evolution. Like how a gash scabs over on the human body. With climate change, all you can do is prepare.
If we are so worried about our planet, why don't we focus on things we CAN change? Things that ACTUALLY effect people?
"global warming" isn't science. Its partisan talking points.
Here is actual SCIENCE. He even brings up the holes in it that people like to fill with "human made" like people used a god back when they didn't understand things. Like thunder.
How Much of Atmospheric CO2 Increase is Natural? « Roy Spencer, PhD

That's better.
I heard we contribute 18%. Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere. This is causing climate change. No reason why we can't pick up litter and clean up the oceans at the same time we reduce our impact on the environment.

global warming is a theory that is based on models. Pseudo science, if you will.
ALL co2 effects the planet. Where are you getting this crap?
How do you think the climate has been changing for 4 billion years+?

 

[TNHarley]

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

It will slow global warming which will slow the negative effects of global climate change which are already being observed and measured in many ways you are already aware of. And you don't need to shout. I remembered my hearing aids. But you already know that, so why are you asking?

It will slow it?



So you can pat yourself on the back while you can die in peace yet throw the world in a depression?

Again how much is it man made and a natural variation?

Why would it cause a world wide depression? Are all these countries' economies going to go belly up from switching to renewable energy sources? New technologies and massive changes like where we get our power will of course effect our economies. How that is managed is up to us, though, isn't it?
Another thought: At least we can survive a depression. Can we survive uncontrolled rapid climate change?

uncontrolled climate change? That doesn't even make sense. ALL climate change is uncontrollable.

Talk to every other English speaking human who discusses this Harley if you are confused by the big words.

ALL climate change is uncontrollable. Why cant you understand that? Climate change is NATURAL.

 

[Reasonable]

" I'm going to be an accessory for the planet to heat up faster and ultimately destroy it to please my base."

Base: you're our guy

how does backing out of this do that?

^^ needs a course in climate change 101.

Ditching the Paris Agreement Risks the Economy Even As It Harms the Planet

 

[TNHarley]

LOL people like to forget billions of years of history for agenda

 

[FJO]

why wouldnt Trump want to withdraw and join Syria ?

Or enter into the agreement and join North Korea?

And every other single country in the world. But you intentionally left that out because it doesn't fit your narrative.

If everyone jumps off a cliff, will you?

Nope.

Is this agreement "Jumping off a Cliff"? Nope

Yep.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"What nations are not part of the Paris Climate Accord?"

The smart ones!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

" I'm going to be an accessory for the planet to heat up faster and ultimately destroy it to please my base."

Base: you're our guy

how does backing out of this do that?

^^ needs a course in climate change 101.!

so you think spending 100 trillion to reduce the temperature by only 0.3 degrees by the end of the century is worth it....?

you lefties are on more than crack....

 

[Reasonable]

This is a victory for the white nationalist wing of the White House.
This is what happens when you bring in neonazis into the WH.

 

[Reasonable]

" I'm going to be an accessory for the planet to heat up faster and ultimately destroy it to please my base."

Base: you're our guy

how does backing out of this do that?

^^ needs a course in climate change 101.!

so you think spending 100 trillion to reduce the temperature by only 0.3 degrees by the end of the century is worth it....?

you lefties are on more than crack....

Read the link you stupid SOB
Ditching the Paris Agreement Risks the Economy Even As It Harms the Planet

 

[ScreamingEagle]

This is a victory for the white nationalist wing of the White House.
This is what happens when you bring in neonazis into the WH.

go play somewhere on the freeway....

 

[RDD_1210]

why wouldnt Trump want to withdraw and join Syria ?

Or enter into the agreement and join North Korea?

And every other single country in the world. But you intentionally left that out because it doesn't fit your narrative.

If everyone jumps off a cliff, will you?

Nope.

Is this agreement "Jumping off a Cliff"? Nope

Yep.

Ask me how I know you don't have the first clue what this issue is about.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

" I'm going to be an accessory for the planet to heat up faster and ultimately destroy it to please my base."

Base: you're our guy

how does backing out of this do that?

^^ needs a course in climate change 101.!

so you think spending 100 trillion to reduce the temperature by only 0.3 degrees by the end of the century is worth it....?

you lefties are on more than crack....

Read the link you stupid SOB
Ditching the Paris Agreement Risks the Economy Even As It Harms the Planet

companies can become green as they see fit......why do they need to join a group that dictates to them.....?

 

[catatomic]

It is an international agreement like the Geneva Convention although countries aren't required to do anything but the deal is basically that they will be shamed and pressured.