Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[OldLady]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

 

[TNHarley]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

 

[task0778]

Why the Paris Agreement Is Good for the United States


The Case for Tackling Climate Change: Why America, and the World, Need the Paris Agreement

Ensuring that the Paris Agreement on climate change is implemented and that countries meet their commitments is in the national interest of all countries around the world. After all, we owe our children and grandchildren the prospect of a safe place to live that is free from the damages of climate change. This agreement benefits Americans. It is in our interest to stay in the agreement and ensure that all countries live up to their commitments.

The United States’ National Climate Assessment documents the dramatic changes already occurring in the U.S. as a result of climate change. Residents of some coastal cities have seen streets flood more regularly during storms and high tides. So have communities near large rivers, especially in the Midwest and Northeast. This has led to higher insurance rates as our communities become more vulnerable to climate-fueled disasters. Hotter and drier weather mean more intense wildfires that burn more acres closer to more people’s homes. Erosion could cause more communities to relocate. The historic commitments secured from all countries by the Paris Agreement are essential for reducing these and many other risks to the U.S. prosperity.

The Paris Agreement significantly lowered global projected temperature rise from 7° Fahrenheit to 5° Fahrenheit (3.9° Celsius to 2.8°Celsius). Less climate devastation will occur thanks to this agreement. While more action is needed, this agreement can further limit disastrous climate damage thanks to the climate commitments it secured.

Why the Paris Agreement Is Good for the United States

This agreement has no enforcement mechanism, it's just a bunch of promises with no consequences if any country does not comply. And we cannot ensure that any other country meets their commitments, and it does not come close to ensuring a safe place to live that is free from the damages of climate change.

There is no evidence that any of the cases of extreme weather events are or were due to AGW. NONE.

Do we know how much money the US will have to pay OTHER countries? Do we know how many jobs it will cost us if we comply with these accords? Do we know how much each american family will have to pay in higher energy costs?

And do we know the benefits? Question, is it worth it? I don't think so. Check it out:

In fact, using the Model for the Assessment of Greenhouse Gas Induced Climate Change developed by researchers at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, even if all carbon dioxide emissions in the United States were effectively eliminated, there would be less than two-tenths of a degree Celsius reduction in global temperatures. In fact, the entire industrialized world could cut carbon emissions down to zero, and the climate impact would still be less than four-tenths of a degree Celsius in terms of averted warming by the year 2100.
Current Wisdom: We Calculate, You Decide: A Handy-Dandy Carbon Tax Temperature-Savings Calculator
In addition, the various country-specific emissions targets for all the countries in the Paris agreement do not offer much hope for climate impact even if all the countries comply perfectly with their promised cuts. History, however, gives little confidence that such compliance will even occur. For instance, China is building 350 coal-fired power plants, and has plans for another 800. Further, if China is not addressing its harmful smog and poor water quality, there is justification for doubting its commitment to addressing global warming. Many developing countries have shown an unwillingness to curb economic growth to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
http://www.energyxxi.org/sites/default/files/UNFCCC Analysis of INDCs FINAL.pdf
The Truth About China – 2,400 New Coal Plants Will Thwart Any Paris #COP21 Pledges

 

[Manonthestreet]

Let me remind you again...we are the only ones to meet our Kyoto goals.....looks like leadership to me. withdrawing from Paris doesnt mean we are going backwards...your air and water will be cleaner.....after Trump is done just as it has been under multiple Presidents going back.....Let me know when the others meet theirs.......

 

[DOTR]

Yep...just follow the oligarchs. I'm sure they have our best interests at heart.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If the fuck head would of stayed in Iraq , ISIS would of never got so big

Why wasn't President Bush able to secure a status of forces agreement that keep a US residual force in the country after his negotiated withdrawal by 2012? He had a full years notice that the UN was pulling the plug on the Occupation Mandate. What was his reason for not having that in the SOFA he signed at the end of 2008?

Wasn't Maliki's treatment of the Sunnis the real reason ISIS was able to sweep into the Sunni tribal areas with very little resistance? Isn't he more to blame for them taking that part of Iraq than either Bush or Obama?

Obama had 4 years to re negotiate another one.


Obama sent troops back into Iraq with out a new agreement from Iraqs Parliament.

It was a hand shake that our troops wouldn't be prosecuted .


Iraqs parlement voted on an agreement months later.

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[ScreamingEagle]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

You snowflakes are such groupies......frankly i'd be proud to be the only country NOT in the stupid Paris accords group.....it's nothing but a new world order operation led by socialist ankle biters attempting to bring down the USA and bleed it dry.....a group that is out to undermine American sovereignty any way it can...

Ya know why Nicaragua didn't join....? Not because they don't believe in 'climate change' (they do) but because they just want to blame others and force more money from the rich nations...

“We’re not going to submit because voluntary responsibility is a path to failure,” Oquist told the website Climate Home on Nov. 30. “We don’t want to be an accomplice to taking the world to 3 to 4 degrees and the death and destruction that represents.”

Oquist, who was in Paris representing Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, said rich countries should pay more for climate change, as they were historically responsible for causing more damage to the environment and developing nations such as his own would be the worst hit.

(Syria has bigger problems to worry about than hyped 'climate change'......)

Analysis | Why Nicaragua and Syria didn’t join the Paris climate accord

 

[easyt65]

We never should have invaded Iraq in the first

Bush was given Congressional approval to go into Iraq WHOLE Democrats declared it had to be done and Hussein had to be replaced.

Barry never asked / received Congressional Approval to go to war in Libya and Syria. He just dragged the US into 2 Un-Constitutional personal wars to help terrorists.

Libya was under control of a dictator who was helping the coalition FIGHT terrorists in northern Africa. Now it is a safe haven and jihad training camp mecca for Al Qaeda and ISIS.

We NEVER should have gone into Syria.

 

[L.K.Eder]

It's such an awesome deal, Obama didn't submit it to the US Senate.

Isn't China exempt from the agreement? If so what's the big deal?

According to documents seen by the Financial Times, Beijing and Brussels will outline measures to accelerate what they describe as the “irreversible” shift away from fossil fuels and the “historic achievement” of the Paris Accord. The document goes on to say the two sides are “determined to forge ahead” with measures to “lead the energy transition” toward a global low-emissions economy.

Let me see;

Germany's power grid is unstable and has rolling blackouts already. This last year over 3,800 deaths of elderly were noted and due to these rolling blackouts in just three months of winter..

Let these fools keep on their path, pretty soon there wont be any of them to continue it.. But long before that happens will be a revolt of the people.. And its damn close today already.

Citation needed. Especially for claimed thousands of dead due to blackouts in germany.

 

[JBond]

If we don't invest in infrastructure = third world infrastructure
If we drop below 50th in healthcare = Probably 2nd or 3rd healthcare
IF we Keep dropping in education = we won't be competing with the rest of the first world at all.

I could go on...Trump and conservatives don't care.

Eliminate the liberal utopian cities, and we would be ranked #1 in everything. Get your shit together and stop dragging us down. Your refusal to educate children is costing us big time money.

 

[OldLady]

Seems that way but they are anonymous sources
Trump pulling U.S. out of Paris climate deal: Axios report

WASHINGTON U.S. President Donald Trump has decided to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, Axios news outlet reported on Wednesday, citing two unidentified sources with direct knowledge of the decision.

Trump who has previously called global warming a hoax, refused to endorse the landmark climate change accord at a summit of the G7 group of wealthy nations on Saturday, saying he needed more time to decide. He then tweeted that he would make an announcement this week.

Fox News also cited an unidentified source confirming the pullout.
The decision to withdraw from the climate accord was influenced by a letter from 22 Republican U.S. senators, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, calling for an exit, Axios reported.

Good!
Shit wasn't even voted on. Remember Earnests words in 2015?
I think it’s hard to take seriously from some Members of Congress who deny the fact that climate change exists, that they should have some opportunity to render judgment about a climate change agreement
One of the biggest loads of partisan bullshit I have ever heard. He should have been shunned for that
Oh well

"I will be announcing my decision on Paris Accord, Thursday at 3:00 P.M. The White House Rose Garden. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

globalism will fall tomorrow!

I hope it fuckin rains. Hails.

 

[L.K.Eder]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

The rest of the world does not realize that climate change is just made up

They need to watch Fox News like Trump does

How much does man contribute compared to natural variations?

5% ?

25% ?

50%

75%

100%

I will wait....


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Does it matter?

If the ozone layer is being impacted and we DO KNOW there is a manmade impact on climate change, why wouldn't we cut back on that part that we have control of?

The ozone hole is closing.

Thanks to the montreal protocol.

 

[Wyatt earp]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

So you are another one who thinks being part of the cool crowd is cool?


This is not high school..

Once more scientists like Judith Curry and her peers are part of the 97% consensus..


Yet people call them a denier ..


Why is that?





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[OldLady]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

It will slow global warming which will slow the negative effects of global climate change which are already being observed and measured in many ways you are already aware of. And you don't need to shout. I remembered my hearing aids. But you already know that, so why are you asking?

 

[OldLady]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

So you are another one who thinks being part of the cool crowd is cool?


This is not high school..

Once more scientists like Judith Curry and her peers are part of the 97% consensus..


Yet people call them a denier ..


Why is that?





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I have no idea what you're talking about. If you've got a point, try again.

 

[Reasonable]

" I'm going to be an accessory for the planet to heat up faster and ultimately destroy it to please my base."

Base: you're our guy

 

[Wyatt earp]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

FOR ONCE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WOULD HELP. TELL ME WHAT THIS DOES TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

It will slow global warming which will slow the negative effects of global climate change which are already being observed and measured in many ways you are already aware of. And you don't need to shout. I remembered my hearing aids. But you already know that, so why are you asking?

It will slow it?



So you can pat yourself on the back while you can die in peace yet throw the world in a depression?

Again how much is it man made and a natural variation?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Let me remind you again...we are the only ones to meet our Kyoto goals.....looks like leadership to me. withdrawing from Paris doesnt mean we are going backwards...your air and water will be cleaner.....after Trump is done just as it has been under multiple Presidents going back.....Let me know when the others meet theirs.......

Citation needed for the usa meeting kyoto goals, and for being the only ones.

 

[Thinker101]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

So you are another one who thinks being part of the cool crowd is cool?


This is not high school..

Once more scientists like Judith Curry and her peers are part of the 97% consensus..


Yet people call them a denier ..


Why is that?





.

I have no idea what you're talking about. If you've got a point, try again.

How convenient.

 

[Wyatt earp]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Absolutely the most humiliating moment yet.

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

So you are another one who thinks being part of the cool crowd is cool?


This is not high school..

Once more scientists like Judith Curry and her peers are part of the 97% consensus..


Yet people call them a denier ..


Why is that?





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I have no idea what you're talking about. If you've got a point, try again.

Translation~ you refuse to watch the Congress hearings on it


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